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New Hampshire is dead. The vote to kill it in committee was 18-0.
WEDNESDAY UPDATE: The House Election Law Committee has voted the so-called "Birther" bill inexpedient to legislate. The vote was 18-0 and came after an ammendment to set the effective date of the bill for 2013 was defeated 10-8. Watch for further updates shortly.
John DiStaso's Granite Status: House panel recommends 'Birther' bill be killed - Wednesday, Mar. 9, 2011
So let's update
* Arizona - One bill died in committee, another bill still alive.
* Arkansas - Bill introduced into the House but is unlikely to pass given that Democrats control both chambers
* Connecticut - Died in committee
* Georgia - Died in committee. Not officially dead but on life support, barely breathing.
* Hawaii - Died in committee. Not really a birfer bill. Clever Hawaii legislators were trying to profit from the birfer nonsense by charging people $100 for birth certificate requests.
* New Hampshire - Died in committee.
* Indiana - Died in committee.
* Iowa - Died in committee. Can be carried over into next year. Doesn't appear to really be a birfer bill.
* Maine - Not really a birfer bill.
* Missouri - Still alive but effectively no longer a birfer bill.
* Montana - Died in committee.
* Nebraska - Still alive.
* Oklahoma - Still alive. A bill got through the House last year in Oklahoma but did not get to the Senate
* Tennessee - Still alive.
* Texas - Still alive but unlikely to pass due to internecine politics within the Texas Republican party.
HOLY SHIT, ARE YOU A LIAR, SKIPPY! i mean, you are an off the chart liar. besides, why would someone spend all day here, every day, denying the citizenship issue is an issue and the laws will become law if they were right about both in the first place?!
This is spin and a little red meat for weepy libs who got America's collective boot kicked so far up their asses it will take surgery mankind does not yet possess to remove it.
World Net Daily's info disputes yours, skippy. they're legit and can be seen at white house briefings. you hunch over your keyboard all day long in lieu of an occupation like a no-life troll trying to lie these issues into non-existence. People should go to world net daily. Not only do you not count for lying, but you're an asshole for it, too.
A Free Press for a Free People
GTardz contribution to this thread: All the information in this thread, including direct links to the bills themselves and statements from the bills' authors and sponsors and analysis of each states' legislature count, is all wrong. But I am incapable of explaining specifically why. So for objective coverage, see WND.
In fact, I may requote this post again later lol.
(6)
(a) Each candidate for President or Vice President of
the United States shall (i) attach documents as indicated in each of
the three requirements in the following subdivisions, some of which
require multiple documents, (ii) state in the affidavit which
required documents are attached that meet such requirements, and
(iii) include in the affidavit, statements substantially as indicated
in this subsection as applicable.
(b) Requirement number one: One of the following in
subdivision (i) or (ii) of this subdivision:
(i) A certified copy of my first original long-form birth
certificate issued shortly after the time of my birth; or
(ii) Only if the document described in subdivision (i) of
this subdivision is not obtainable under the laws of the state that
issued my birth certificate, then both documents described in
subdivisions (A) and (B) of this subdivision:
(A) A certified copy of my certification of live birth
which includes the names of my birth parents who are listed on my
first original long-form birth certificate issued shortly after the
time of my birth; and
(B) A sworn and acknowledged affidavit by me stating that
my parents names contained on my certification of live birth are the
same birth parent names as contained on my first original birth
certificate;
DOHThe hearing on the Nebraska bill, LB 654 ( Nebraska Legislature - Legislative Document ), is going on today. I was just looking through the bill and found something interesting on page 5:
(6)
(a) Each candidate for President or Vice President of
the United States shall (i) attach documents as indicated in each of
the three requirements in the following subdivisions, some of which
require multiple documents, (ii) state in the affidavit which
required documents are attached that meet such requirements, and
(iii) include in the affidavit, statements substantially as indicated
in this subsection as applicable.
(b) Requirement number one: One of the following in
subdivision (i) or (ii) of this subdivision:
(i) A certified copy of my first original long-form birth
certificate issued shortly after the time of my birth; or
(ii) Only if the document described in subdivision (i) of
this subdivision is not obtainable under the laws of the state that
issued my birth certificate, then both documents described in
subdivisions (A) and (B) of this subdivision:
(A) A certified copy of my certification of live birth
which includes the names of my birth parents who are listed on my
first original long-form birth certificate issued shortly after the
time of my birth; and
(B) A sworn and acknowledged affidavit by me stating that
my parents names contained on my certification of live birth are the
same birth parent names as contained on my first original birth
certificate;
Hawai'i no longer issues long-forms. Full stop. So it seems subdivisions A and B of the first requirement would apply to Obama.
The quoted part says there's three requirements. The other two requirements are the mother's and father's birth documentation or naturalization papers showing they were both citizens at or before the time of their kid's (candidate's) birth, which are described on page 6 and 7 in similar language to the quote. That provision would be an additional requirement to be on the ballot that I don't see in Article 2 Sec 1. Seems blatantly unconstitutional to me. I doubt those extra requirements are going to stay in.
HTML text of the bill:
LEGISLATIVE BILL 654
The hearing on the Nebraska bill, LB 654 ( Nebraska Legislature - Legislative Document ), is going on today. I was just looking through the bill and found something interesting on page 5:
(6)
(a) Each candidate for President or Vice President of
the United States shall (i) attach documents as indicated in each of
the three requirements in the following subdivisions, some of which
require multiple documents, (ii) state in the affidavit which
required documents are attached that meet such requirements, and
(iii) include in the affidavit, statements substantially as indicated
in this subsection as applicable.
(b) Requirement number one: One of the following in
subdivision (i) or (ii) of this subdivision:
(i) A certified copy of my first original long-form birth
certificate issued shortly after the time of my birth; or
(ii) Only if the document described in subdivision (i) of
this subdivision is not obtainable under the laws of the state that
issued my birth certificate, then both documents described in
subdivisions (A) and (B) of this subdivision:
(A) A certified copy of my certification of live birth
which includes the names of my birth parents who are listed on my
first original long-form birth certificate issued shortly after the
time of my birth; and
(B) A sworn and acknowledged affidavit by me stating that
my parents names contained on my certification of live birth are the
same birth parent names as contained on my first original birth
certificate;
Hawai'i no longer issues long-forms. Full stop. So it seems subdivisions A and B of the first requirement would apply to Obama.
The quoted part says there's three requirements. The other two requirements are the mother's and father's birth documentation or naturalization papers showing they were both citizens at or before the time of their kid's (candidate's) birth, which are described on page 6 and 7 in similar language to the quote. That provision would be an additional requirement to be on the ballot that I don't see in Article 2 Sec 1. Seems blatantly unconstitutional to me. I doubt those extra requirements are going to stay in.
HTML text of the bill:
LEGISLATIVE BILL 654
But what worries Ken Bennett, the current secretary of state, is that he also would have to be furnished "an original long form birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician and signatures of the witnesses in attendance.'' Without that, he said, the measure would bar him from including the candidate's name on the ballot.
"I don't know that's on MY birth certificate, for goodness sakes'' said Bennett, who was born in Tucson.
Potentially more problematic, he said, is that each state has its own system of recording births. And Bennett, who is a Republican like all of the measure's 41 sponsors, is not sure that its even possible to get an "original'' birth certificate.
For example, he said, people seeking birth certificates from many states, often for passports or other documentation, are instead furnished with a "certificate of live birth.'' That usually takes the form of a state official certifying, under oath, that there are documents on file proving a specific person was born on a specified date.
That's not all, Bennett said, pointing to the requirement for the birth certificate to have the names of the attending physician and the signatures of witnesses.
"If you were delivered at home with a midwife, does that mean you are no longer qualified to be the president of the United States?'' he asked. "If there aren't any signatures of witnesses in attendance, you're no longer qualified?''
And what, exactly, is a "long form birth certificate,'' he asked.
"Is that a standard term of art that means the same thing in all 50 states?'' Bennett continued. "And is it even available in all 50 states?''
Officially speaking, the legislation crafted by Rep. Judy Burges, R-Skull Valley, does not mention Obama. And Burges, who first sponsored a slightly different version of the measure last year, said it's not necessarily about Obama, though she admitted she doubts he was born in Hawaii as he claims, or that he can show he is a U.S. citizen.
"With what's happening throughout the world, that we need to make sure that our candidates are certifiable,'' she told Capitol Media Services when she introduced the first measure.
Burges managed to get the measure through the House last year. The bill died in the Senate.
A. The national political party committee for a candidate for president for a party that is entitled to continued representation on the ballot shall provide to the secretary of state written notice of that political party's nomination of its candidates for president and vice‑president. Within ten days after submittal of the names of the candidates, the national political party committee shall submit an affidavit of the presidential candidate in which the presidential candidate states the candidate's citizenship and age and shall append to the affidavit documents that prove that the candidate is a natural born citizen, prove the candidate's age and prove that the candidate meets the residency requirements for President of the United States as prescribed in article II, section 1, Constitution of the United States.
B. The affidavit prescribed in subsection A shall include references to and attachment of all of the following, which shall be sworn to under penalty of perjury:
1. An original long form birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician and signatures of the witnesses in attendance.
2. A sworn statement attesting that the candidate has not held dual or multiple citizenship and that the candidate's allegiance is solely to the United States of America.
3. A sworn statement or form that identifies the candidate's places of residence in the United States for the preceding fourteen years.
C. If both the candidate and the national political party committee for that candidate fail to submit and swear to the documents prescribed in this section, the secretary of state shall not place that presidential candidate's name on the ballot in this state.
"With what's happening throughout the world, that we need to make sure that our candidates are certifiable,'' she told Capitol Media Services when she introduced the first measure.
This is a little old, but the AZ Secretary of State questions AZ bill HB2544
But what worries Ken Bennett, the current secretary of state, is that he also would have to be furnished "an original long form birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician and signatures of the witnesses in attendance.'' Without that, he said, the measure would bar him from including the candidate's name on the ballot.
"I don't know that's on MY birth certificate, for goodness sakes'' said Bennett, who was born in Tucson.
Christensen's bill not only would require presidential and vice presidential candidates to provide a certified long-form copy of their birth certificates to Nebraska's secretary of state, it also would require candidates to provide copies of their parents' long-form birth certificates.
In order for a person to qualify to be a presidential candidate in Nebraska, the bill would require an affidavit in which the candidate swears, "On the day I was born, both my birth father and my birth mother were citizens of the United States of America."
Under that requirement, six other U.S. presidents besides Obama, whose father was born in Kenya, would have been ineligible for office: Jefferson, whose mother was born in England; Andrew Jackson, whose parents were born in Ireland; James Buchanan, whose father was born in Ireland; Chester Arthur, whose father was born in Ireland; Woodrow Wilson, whose mother was born in England; and Herbert Hoover, whose mother was born in Canada.
Christensen said in prepared testimony that it is not clear what the nation's founders meant by the phrase "natural born citizen." ...
Christensen's aide, Dan Wiles, said the senator does not want his bill "to be perceived as an attack" on Obama. He said Christensen assumes that Obama "most likely" was born in the United States, and he would be willing to delay implementation of his measure until after Obama's 2012 re-election bid.
Another article on LB654, the Nebraska birther bill.
Christensen's bill not only would require presidential and vice presidential candidates to provide a certified long-form copy of their birth certificates to Nebraska's secretary of state, it also would require candidates to provide copies of their parents' long-form birth certificates.
In order for a person to qualify to be a presidential candidate in Nebraska, the bill would require an affidavit in which the candidate swears, "On the day I was born, both my birth father and my birth mother were citizens of the United States of America."
Under that requirement, six other U.S. presidents besides Obama, whose father was born in Kenya, would have been ineligible for office: Jefferson, whose mother was born in England; Andrew Jackson, whose parents were born in Ireland; James Buchanan, whose father was born in Ireland; Chester Arthur, whose father was born in Ireland; Woodrow Wilson, whose mother was born in England; and Herbert Hoover, whose mother was born in Canada.
Christensen said in prepared testimony that it is not clear what the nation's founders meant by the phrase "natural born citizen." ...
Christensen's aide, Dan Wiles, said the senator does not want his bill "to be perceived as an attack" on Obama. He said Christensen assumes that Obama "most likely" was born in the United States, and he would be willing to delay implementation of his measure until after Obama's 2012 re-election bid.
'Birther' bill gets airing before committee
An Act relating to identity and eligibility of candidates; requiring proof of identity and eligibility to hold office for certain candidates; requiring documents to be available for public inspection; providing for codification; and providing an effective date.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA:
SECTION 1. NEW LAW A new section of law to be codified in the Oklahoma Statutes as Section 5-111.2 of Title 26, unless there is created a duplication in numbering, reads as follows:
A. Each candidate required to file a Declaration of Candidacy for any federal, state, county, municipal or judicial office, or for the nomination of a recognized political party, in any general, primary, or special election shall, at the time of filing the Declaration of Candidacy, provide proof of identity and eligibility to hold the office sought to the lection board at which the Declaration was filed.
B. The Secretary of the State Election Board shall promulgate rules to specify the documentation required to provide proof of eligibility to hold the office sought. The requirement to provide proof of identity may be satisfied by production of a document specified in Section 7-114 of Title 26 of the Oklahoma Statutes.
C. Copies of documents provided pursuant to the provisions of this section shall be made by the election board and kept available for public inspection pursuant to the Oklahoma Open Records Act.
SECTION 2. This act shall become effective November 1, 2011.
§26-7-114. Procedure for determining eligibility.
A. Each person appearing to vote shall announce that person’s name to the judge of the precinct and shall provide proof of identity, whereupon the judge shall determine whether the person's name is in the precinct registry. As used in this section, “proof of identity” shall mean a document that satisfies all of the following:
1. The document shows the name of the person to whom the document was issued, and the name substantially conforms to the name in the precinct registry;
2. The document shows a photograph of the person to whom the document was issued;
3. The document includes an expiration date, which is after the date of the election in which the person is appearing to vote. The provisions of this paragraph shall not apply to an identification card issued to a person sixty-five (65) years of age or older which is valid indefinitely, as provided in Section 6-105.3 of Title 47 of the Oklahoma Statutes; and
4. The document was issued by the United States, the State of Oklahoma or the government of a federally recognized Indian tribe or nation.
Provided, if the person presents a voter identification card issued by the appropriate county election board, such card may serve as proof of identity without meeting the requirements of paragraphs 2 and 3 of this subsection.
B. 1. If a person declines to or is unable to produce proof of identity, the person may sign a statement under oath, in a form approved by the Secretary of the State Election Board, swearing or affirming that the person is the person identified on the precinct registry, and shall be allowed to cast a provisional ballot as provided in Section 7-116.1 of this title.
2. False swearing or affirming under oath shall be punishable as a felony as provided in Section 16-103 of this title, and the penalty shall be distinctly set forth on the face of the statement.
Added by Laws 1974, c. 153, § 7-114, operative Jan. 1, 1975. Amended by Laws 1990, c. 331, § 14, eff. July 1, 1990; Laws 2009, c. 31, § 2, eff. July 1, 2011 (State Question No. 746, Legislative Referendum No. 347, adopted at election held on Nov. 2, 2010).
This is a little old, but the AZ Secretary of State questions AZ bill HB2544
But what worries Ken Bennett, the current secretary of state, is that he also would have to be furnished "an original long form birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician and signatures of the witnesses in attendance.'' Without that, he said, the measure would bar him from including the candidate's name on the ballot.
"I don't know that's on MY birth certificate, for goodness sakes'' said Bennett, who was born in Tucson.
Potentially more problematic, he said, is that each state has its own system of recording births. And Bennett, who is a Republican like all of the measure's 41 sponsors, is not sure that its even possible to get an "original'' birth certificate.
For example, he said, people seeking birth certificates from many states, often for passports or other documentation, are instead furnished with a "certificate of live birth.'' That usually takes the form of a state official certifying, under oath, that there are documents on file proving a specific person was born on a specified date.
That's not all, Bennett said, pointing to the requirement for the birth certificate to have the names of the attending physician and the signatures of witnesses.
"If you were delivered at home with a midwife, does that mean you are no longer qualified to be the president of the United States?'' he asked. "If there aren't any signatures of witnesses in attendance, you're no longer qualified?''
And what, exactly, is a "long form birth certificate,'' he asked.
"Is that a standard term of art that means the same thing in all 50 states?'' Bennett continued. "And is it even available in all 50 states?''
Officially speaking, the legislation crafted by Rep. Judy Burges, R-Skull Valley, does not mention Obama. And Burges, who first sponsored a slightly different version of the measure last year, said it's not necessarily about Obama, though she admitted she doubts he was born in Hawaii as he claims, or that he can show he is a U.S. citizen.
"With what's happening throughout the world, that we need to make sure that our candidates are certifiable,'' she told Capitol Media Services when she introduced the first measure.
Burges managed to get the measure through the House last year. The bill died in the Senate.
Arizona's presidential citizenship bill worries Bennett - East Valley Tribune: Politics
Remember that a birfer bill already died in the AZ Senate.
Here is HB2544
A. The national political party committee for a candidate for president for a party that is entitled to continued representation on the ballot shall provide to the secretary of state written notice of that political party's nomination of its candidates for president and vice‑president. Within ten days after submittal of the names of the candidates, the national political party committee shall submit an affidavit of the presidential candidate in which the presidential candidate states the candidate's citizenship and age and shall append to the affidavit documents that prove that the candidate is a natural born citizen, prove the candidate's age and prove that the candidate meets the residency requirements for President of the United States as prescribed in article II, section 1, Constitution of the United States.
B. The affidavit prescribed in subsection A shall include references to and attachment of all of the following, which shall be sworn to under penalty of perjury:
1. An original long form birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician and signatures of the witnesses in attendance.
2. A sworn statement attesting that the candidate has not held dual or multiple citizenship and that the candidate's allegiance is solely to the United States of America.
3. A sworn statement or form that identifies the candidate's places of residence in the United States for the preceding fourteen years.
C. If both the candidate and the national political party committee for that candidate fail to submit and swear to the documents prescribed in this section, the secretary of state shall not place that presidential candidate's name on the ballot in this state.
From: [email protected]
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: ##########
Please understand that I am dealing with recalcitrant leadership which will not allow the bill to move through the committee process. We are trying to get the bill dislodged from subcommittee, and this proposal was made in an attempt to get the House leadership to allow the bill to be considered. The bill would not be required to stay in this form, but we have to try something to get the bill moving. If we don't get some movement right away, the bill will be dead for the year. You don't need to convince me that Obama needs to be subject to a law requiring proof of eligibility; I believe it wholeheartedly and have been actively advocating for it for years. Your efforts would be better spent contacting the leadership of the Georgia House and demanding that the bill be allowed to move. Nothing short of massive public outcry is going to get their attention it seems. I would appreciate your efforts and continued support of the bill.
Please pass this information on. I don't need people on my own side throwing me under the bus! Thanks!
Rep. Mark Hatfield
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
A Nebraska bill introduced in response to a flap over President Barack Obama's citizenship and requiring presidential candidates to prove their citizenship with a birth certificate won't get out of committee, the panel's chairman said Thursday.
The bill's sponsor, state Sen. Mark Christensen of Imperial, didn't appear in person before the Legislature's Government, Military and Veterans Affairs Committee but said in written testimony that he didn't want his proposal to be perceived as a political attack on the president. An aide said the bill was strictly intended to guarantee that presidential candidates are confirmed as eligible for office. ...
State Sen. Bill Avery, who chairs the committee, said the Nebraska bill, LB654, would die there. ...
Several lawmakers on the panel questioned the bill's purpose, and noted that federal appellate courts might simply refuse to hear the case after lower courts ruled.
The proposal would "be obligating us to a court challenge, where we'd have to spend thousands of dollars," said state Sen. Scott Price of Bellevue. "You want the state to have to defend this, with the hope that the Supreme Court might make a ruling."
You're desperate to do what you can to keep pubic momentum from getting behind this issue.
