The Bolton Bombshell (from his book)

[Hutch Starskey]

So, just as I thought. Trump could have made the same call to the State dept rather than asking a foreign govt. That makes his call look even more like a personal political move.

Actually, I am not sure about that. Be that as it may, Trump didn't want an investigation, he wanted an announcement thereof, smearing Biden as a (suspect) criminal, without his (Trump's) fat fingerprints on it. That is to say, his ordering the State Department to look into things wouldn't help him. That's why Lindsey complied in his stead - as a feeble substitute for Ukraine doing same.

That's my point. If corruption was his paramount concern, there were other, more effective avenues to get information. He chose instead for the least effective and risky public option. That choice speaks to his true motive.

The FBI, DOJ and CIA tried to stage a coup against him, so why would he go that route?

Well, you went the Q-tard route.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Cuz i aint dum.

That may be the fishiest thing you've said yet

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Explain to us how that privilege works, professor.

Conversation between night cabinet members is classified and only a court or the our great president can release.. deal with it

Nope. Not even close.

That is not exectutive privilege or how it is applied.

Try again.

It is you will find out I wish you all luck in 2023 lol

So, nuthin' then?
That's all you ever offer.

It will be in courts for years

The admin has not claimed executive privilege, fool.

 

[Jitss617]

How will that make him a dictator?

By saying a president can obstruct any investigation in to his wrong doings or impeachment.

The president and all future Presidents would be ABOVE the law, the constitutional impeachment clause nullified, the Congress, our only representation in our gvt would be reduced to ashes and dust.... unless trump is found guilty and removed.

Obstruct what ?

Investigations of wrong doings and oversight, they were tasked to do on the executive branch.

Do you have any reasonable evidence to open a investigation?

So the whistleblower and all the people from them down to Bolton are lying to sell books?

see what’s wrong with republican thinking? The scientists are lying not the oil companies and everyone trump hired is lying not trump.

how many trump supporters have you thrown under the bus? Bolton is no liberal. If he’s warning you about hitler don’t call him a liberal

gibberish ,, did you just say the whistle blower? Like he’s legit lol that’s funny.

 

[Jitss617]

Conversation between night cabinet members is classified and only a court or the our great president can release.. deal with it

Nope. Not even close.

That is not exectutive privilege or how it is applied.

Try again.

It is you will find out I wish you all luck in 2023 lol

So, nuthin' then?
That's all you ever offer.

It will be in courts for years

The admin has not claimed executive privilege, fool.

Omg your slow

 

[Jitss617]

1st we don’t have a quote from Bolton, we don’t know if this was about the 10 other countries trump with held aid from. This is very common. So kinda boring

 

[bripat9643]

So, just as I thought. Trump could have made the same call to the State dept rather than asking a foreign govt. That makes his call look even more like a personal political move.

Actually, I am not sure about that. Be that as it may, Trump didn't want an investigation, he wanted an announcement thereof, smearing Biden as a (suspect) criminal, without his (Trump's) fat fingerprints on it. That is to say, his ordering the State Department to look into things wouldn't help him. That's why Lindsey complied in his stead - as a feeble substitute for Ukraine doing same.

That's my point. If corruption was his paramount concern, there were other, more effective avenues to get information. He chose instead for the least effective and risky public option. That choice speaks to his true motive.

The FBI, DOJ and CIA tried to stage a coup against him, so why would he go that route?

Well, you went the Q-tard route.

What does that even mean? Relying on the deep state to implement his policies is not an option for Trump.

 

[bripat9643]

Conversation between night cabinet members is classified and only a court or the our great president can release.. deal with it

Nope. Not even close.

That is not exectutive privilege or how it is applied.

Try again.

It is you will find out I wish you all luck in 2023 lol

So, nuthin' then?
That's all you ever offer.

It will be in courts for years

The admin has not claimed executive privilege, fool.

You mean he didn't fill out form EP-901-J?

 

[colfax_m]

No. It’s not. Good lord. You don’t have any idea what you’re talking about, do you?

Here’s a clue. Guess who has security clearances? That’s right. Congress.

Good for them they still can’t get that conversation unless a court ok’s it

Nope. Remember all the people that already testified? No “sanctions”.

Why would they be? Whitehouse didn’t object trump has nothing to hide

Yes. Trump did object. They testified over his objections. You really haven’t been paying attention.

Lol because they don’t have executive privilege, he objected to the first 2 witnesses and didn’t care about the rest. And it was his lawyers not trump .. just playing hard ball

He objected to every witness that testified in the House. They all testified over his objection. You’re not being truthful.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The house prosecutors bring their evidence they have to the senate jury to be heard either they have a case or they don't.
Maybe they should have kept their fat mouths shut about impeaching the president from day one.

So you want a trial with no witnesses? What kind of bogus trial is that?

No one is stopping the house witnesses from testifying
THE Schiff Sham deserves all the bullshit it get's

Trump is stopping them.

no he isn't lol

Sure he is. He has told people not to testify. They complied with his orders.

Maybe the democrats should have fought to get him into the Schiff sham
You don't get to have a do over.

 

[Jitss617]

Good for them they still can’t get that conversation unless a court ok’s it

Nope. Remember all the people that already testified? No “sanctions”.

Why would they be? Whitehouse didn’t object trump has nothing to hide

Yes. Trump did object. They testified over his objections. You really haven’t been paying attention.

Lol because they don’t have executive privilege, he objected to the first 2 witnesses and didn’t care about the rest. And it was his lawyers not trump .. just playing hard ball

He objected to every witness that testified in the House. They all testified over his objection. You’re not being truthful.

Lol no he didn’t, if he did it would be in court,, your talking about a brief reaction, he could have held them all up if he wanted .. don’t get confused with trumps powers

 

[The Original Tree]

Shampechment is over.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Dude. The DoJ can investigate Biden anytime. So can the Senate. You’re not doing anything.

Is first hand witness testimony no longer good enough for you? Now you’re demanding written evidence?

See:

Lindsey Graham Launches Senate Investigation Into Bidens and Ukraine

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-SC) sent a letter to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Thursday requesting documents related to Joe Biden’s communications with Ukrainian officials. Graham’s inquiry focuses on any calls Biden may have had with former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko about the firing of the country’s top prosecutor, or any calls that referenced Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company where Biden’s son Hunter sat on the board. The Washington Post reports that Graham’s letter appears to begin an investigation into Trump’s widely debunked claim that Biden, who at the time was vice president, put pressure on Ukraine to fire its top prosecutor in an attempt to protect his son. Taylor Reidy, a spokeswoman for Graham, told the Post that the senator is now seeking the documents because “[Rep.] Adam Schiff and the House Intel Committee have made it clear they will not look into the issues about Hunter Biden and Burisma.” “Graham is requesting documents which could shed additional light on that issue and hopes they will be able to answer some of the outstanding questions,” Reidy said.​

So, just as I thought. Trump could have made the same call to the State dept rather than asking a foreign govt. That makes his call look even more like a personal political move.

like Obama denial about Bengahzi was motivated by a video? lol

 

[Care4all]

No president has ever attempted to completely shut down a Congressional investigation. It’s not about national security. The witnesses were supposed to testify to the House Intelligence Committee who have the highest clearances and are allowed to have access to the most sensitive secrets.

Nope. This is about covering up Trump’s actions.

Trump didn't either....the dems wrapped it up because Trump was so dangerous they had to impeach and couldn't wait....LMFAO...

Factually incorrect. Trump refused to acknowledge any request or subpoena from the House.

He has every right to do so...Then it goes to court and a judge decides...the dems didn't want to wait for that to happen....

They didn't have years of stalling time.... Trump was cheating and corrupt right now and claimed he did nothing wrong, which was a tell tale sign he would continue to cheat in the upcoming election and continue to abuse his power.

Justice delayed, is justice denied.

They went through the courts to get Don McCann and Even though the courts have ruled against him at every turn and appeal level, he's taking it to the supreme court, so it will be nearly two years....

So if the accused claims he's innocent, that means he's guilty. Is that what you're saying?

president trump never claimed executive privilege, he simply ordered his staff to turn nothing over to them... He or staff never made any efforts to negotiate with congress which is the standard procedure and protocol, before filing suit and a court will even take on the case.

That is obstruction of congress.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

So, just as I thought. Trump could have made the same call to the State dept rather than asking a foreign govt. That makes his call look even more like a personal political move.

Actually, I am not sure about that. Be that as it may, Trump didn't want an investigation, he wanted an announcement thereof, smearing Biden as a (suspect) criminal, without his (Trump's) fat fingerprints on it. That is to say, his ordering the State Department to look into things wouldn't help him. That's why Lindsey complied in his stead - as a feeble substitute for Ukraine doing same.

That's my point. If corruption was his paramount concern, there were other, more effective avenues to get information. He chose instead for the least effective and risky public option. That choice speaks to his true motive.

The FBI, DOJ and CIA tried to stage a coup against him, so why would he go that route?

Well, you went the Q-tard route.

What does that even mean? Relying on the deep state to implement his policies is not an option for Trump.

Ooh, a Q-tard double-dip.
Nice!

 

[Lakhota]

Trump didn't either....the dems wrapped it up because Trump was so dangerous they had to impeach and couldn't wait....LMFAO...

Factually incorrect. Trump refused to acknowledge any request or subpoena from the House.

He has every right to do so...Then it goes to court and a judge decides...the dems didn't want to wait for that to happen....

They didn't have years of stalling time.... Trump was cheating and corrupt right now and claimed he did nothing wrong, which was a tell tale sign he would continue to cheat in the upcoming election and continue to abuse his power.

Justice delayed, is justice denied.

They went through the courts to get Don McCann and Even though the courts have ruled against him at every turn and appeal level, he's taking it to the supreme court, so it will be nearly two years....

So if the accused claims he's innocent, that means he's guilty. Is that what you're saying?

president trump never claimed executive privilege, he simply ordered his staff to turn nothing over to them... He or staff never made any efforts to negotiate with congress which is the standard procedure and protocol, before filing suit and a court will even take on the case.

That is obstruction of congress.

History will judge them harshly.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Nope. Not even close.

That is not exectutive privilege or how it is applied.

Try again.

It is you will find out I wish you all luck in 2023 lol

So, nuthin' then?
That's all you ever offer.

It will be in courts for years

The admin has not claimed executive privilege, fool.

You mean he didn't fill out form EP-901-J?

I mean what I said,dope.
Perhaps you can explain how executive privilege works.

 

[playtime]

Drafts of the book outline the potential testimony of the former national security adviser if he were called as a witness in the president’s impeachment trial.

WASHINGTON — President Trump told his national security adviser in August that he wanted to continue freezing $391 million in security assistance to Ukraine until officials there helped with investigations into Democrats including the Bidens, according to an unpublished manuscript by the former adviser, John R. Bolton.

NYT: Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Demands for Inquiries, Bolton Book Says

John Bolton Reportedly Recalls Trump Tying Ukraine Aid To Biden Investigation

How can Republicans not vote for witnesses after this? By Maggie Haberman and Michael S. Schmidt. They are two of the Times best and most credible reporters.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Dude. The DoJ can investigate Biden anytime. So can the Senate. You’re not doing anything.

Is first hand witness testimony no longer good enough for you? Now you’re demanding written evidence?

See:

Lindsey Graham Launches Senate Investigation Into Bidens and Ukraine

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-SC) sent a letter to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Thursday requesting documents related to Joe Biden’s communications with Ukrainian officials. Graham’s inquiry focuses on any calls Biden may have had with former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko about the firing of the country’s top prosecutor, or any calls that referenced Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company where Biden’s son Hunter sat on the board. The Washington Post reports that Graham’s letter appears to begin an investigation into Trump’s widely debunked claim that Biden, who at the time was vice president, put pressure on Ukraine to fire its top prosecutor in an attempt to protect his son. Taylor Reidy, a spokeswoman for Graham, told the Post that the senator is now seeking the documents because “[Rep.] Adam Schiff and the House Intel Committee have made it clear they will not look into the issues about Hunter Biden and Burisma.” “Graham is requesting documents which could shed additional light on that issue and hopes they will be able to answer some of the outstanding questions,” Reidy said.​

So, just as I thought. Trump could have made the same call to the State dept rather than asking a foreign govt. That makes his call look even more like a personal political move.

like Obama denial about Bengahzi was motivated by a video? lol

Not in any way.

 

[colfax_m]

So you want a trial with no witnesses? What kind of bogus trial is that?

No one is stopping the house witnesses from testifying
THE Schiff Sham deserves all the bullshit it get's

Trump is stopping them.

no he isn't lol

Sure he is. He has told people not to testify. They complied with his orders.

Maybe the democrats should have fought to get him into the Schiff sham
You don't get to have a do over.

No fight needed. Not asking for a do over. Just asking for the Senate to treat the trial seriously.