The China Game

[Tom Horn]

Don't believe for a moment the new "threat" from N. Korea isn't by China design. Whenever China has expansion plans, or feels their trading advantages are threatened, their pitbull Kim starts snarling at the U.S. We in turn, ramp up the rhetoric, send an armada into the Sea of Japan, while China begs us to show patience and suggests "talks" to delay any action until the next wave of crazy comes from the ME. N.Korea fades in importance as our attention is again diverted and China's goon quiets down. China's head-fake works over and over again. This time they blocked a coal shipment or two and didn't block a UN resolution, but little else. It's how they've operated for years and we've fallen for it time after time. Neither Xi Jinping or President Trump want an all-out war on the Korean Peninsula. We'd win it but S. Korea would get mauled in the process and China would be faced with an America-controlled unified Korea on it's border.

I've advocated for pulling U.S. forces out of Korea to remove one of China's trump cards. With that accomplished, we don't have to consider losing several thousand GIs in a N.Korea attack on the south. But it tips off everybody concerned that we're about to end the stalemate. So what about Seoul? N. Korean artillery can hammer the S.Korean capital pretty much un-checked for 4 or 5 days until we take it out those batteries. Then we'd cripple their command and control, and own the airspace over N. Korea. And then China would feel threatened and we'd have another Korean war with the Chi-Coms. The whole scenario is a thorn bush....no matter which way you turn you get stabbed. Is there a simple answer? Yes.

Locate with certainty the location of Kim Jong-un in a given window of opportunity and send him a gift basket. MOAB. And then it's only China's problem.

 

[JoeB131]

You work on the delusion that Kim himself is the problem. They'd just put another one of his relatives on the throne and that would be it.

The big problem with North Korea is that if it collapsed economically, it would send millions of refugees pouring into S. Korea and China, and nobody wants that.

 

[Tom Horn]

For anybody concerned about the legality of assassinating Kim, it can be approved if we consider Kim a terrorist, which he certainly is. Bush's EO 13470 then overrides Ford's EO 119905 and Carter's EO 12036.

 

[Tom Horn]

You work on the delusion that Kim himself is the problem. They'd just put another one of his relatives on the throne and that would be it.

The big problem with North Korea is that if it collapsed economically, it would send millions of refugees pouring into S. Korea and China, and nobody wants that.

He doesn't have any more relatives, dumbass....he's murdered them all. And N.Korea has no economy. And S.Korea is under no obligation to take in any N.Korean refugees...they'd head into China...all the better for China screwing around with us for so long on N.Korea.

 

[JoeB131]

He doesn't have any more relatives, dumbass....he's murdered them all. And N.Korea has no economy. And S.Korea is under no obligation to take in any N.Korean refugees...they'd head into China...all the better for China screwing around with us for so long on N.Korea.

Actually, he has quite a few relatives, icnluding a sister who is very prominent in his regime.

Nobody is going to turn away millions of starving people.

 

[Tom Horn]

He doesn't have any more relatives, dumbass....he's murdered them all. And N.Korea has no economy. And S.Korea is under no obligation to take in any N.Korean refugees...they'd head into China...all the better for China screwing around with us for so long on N.Korea.

Actually, he has quite a few relatives, icnluding a sister who is very prominent in his regime.

Nobody is going to turn away millions of starving people.

Maybe you should tell us what your "insight" into the situation is based on....other than being a brain-dead prog of course.

 

[waltky]

Granny says, "Dat's right...

... China playin' snooker...

... an' we gettin' snooked."

 

[percysunshine]

Red White and Blue vs. Green Yellow and Black

 

[JoeB131]

Maybe you should tell us what your "insight" into the situation is based on....other than being a brain-dead prog of course.

My insight is that decent human being (which no doubt discounts people like you) wouldn't turn away a starving child.

The refugees come, South Korea will take them in.

Because it's what decent human beings do. You might want to look into that some time, when you aren't trying to yank food out the mouths of hungry kids to give tax breaks to billionaires.

 

[Tom Horn]

. You might want to look into that some time, when you aren't trying to yank food out the mouths of hungry kids to give tax breaks to billionaires.

mmmm...nuthin hits the spot like a hungry kids burger....tasty.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Don't believe for a moment the new "threat" from N. Korea isn't by China design. Whenever China has expansion plans, or feels their trading advantages are threatened, their pitbull Kim starts snarling at the U.S. We in turn, ramp up the rhetoric, send an armada into the Sea of Japan, while China begs us to show patience and suggests "talks" to delay any action until the next wave of crazy comes from the ME. N.Korea fades in importance as our attention is again diverted and China's goon quiets down. China's head-fake works over and over again. This time they blocked a coal shipment or two and didn't block a UN resolution, but little else. It's how they've operated for years and we've fallen for it time after time. Neither Xi Jinping or President Trump want an all-out war on the Korean Peninsula. We'd win it but S. Korea would get mauled in the process and China would be faced with an America-controlled unified Korea on it's border.

I've advocated for pulling U.S. forces out of Korea to remove one of China's trump cards. With that accomplished, we don't have to consider losing several thousand GIs in a N.Korea attack on the south. But it tips off everybody concerned that we're about to end the stalemate. So what about Seoul? N. Korean artillery can hammer the S.Korean capital pretty much un-checked for 4 or 5 days until we take it out those batteries. Then we'd cripple their command and control, and own the airspace over N. Korea. And then China would feel threatened and we'd have another Korean war with the Chi-Coms. The whole scenario is a thorn bush....no matter which way you turn you get stabbed. Is there a simple answer? Yes.

Locate with certainty the location of Kim Jong-un in a given window of opportunity and send him a gift basket. MOAB. And then it's only China's problem.

There's that MOAB reference again.

Some of you need to learn about this system.

GBU-43/B MOAB - Wikipedia

 

[Tom Horn]

Don't believe for a moment the new "threat" from N. Korea isn't by China design. Whenever China has expansion plans, or feels their trading advantages are threatened, their pitbull Kim starts snarling at the U.S. We in turn, ramp up the rhetoric, send an armada into the Sea of Japan, while China begs us to show patience and suggests "talks" to delay any action until the next wave of crazy comes from the ME. N.Korea fades in importance as our attention is again diverted and China's goon quiets down. China's head-fake works over and over again. This time they blocked a coal shipment or two and didn't block a UN resolution, but little else. It's how they've operated for years and we've fallen for it time after time. Neither Xi Jinping or President Trump want an all-out war on the Korean Peninsula. We'd win it but S. Korea would get mauled in the process and China would be faced with an America-controlled unified Korea on it's border.

I've advocated for pulling U.S. forces out of Korea to remove one of China's trump cards. With that accomplished, we don't have to consider losing several thousand GIs in a N.Korea attack on the south. But it tips off everybody concerned that we're about to end the stalemate. So what about Seoul? N. Korean artillery can hammer the S.Korean capital pretty much un-checked for 4 or 5 days until we take it out those batteries. Then we'd cripple their command and control, and own the airspace over N. Korea. And then China would feel threatened and we'd have another Korean war with the Chi-Coms. The whole scenario is a thorn bush....no matter which way you turn you get stabbed. Is there a simple answer? Yes.

Locate with certainty the location of Kim Jong-un in a given window of opportunity and send him a gift basket. MOAB. And then it's only China's problem.

There's that MOAB reference again.

Some of you need to learn about this system.

GBU-43/B MOAB - Wikipedia

I saw several daisy-cutters dropped in Vietnam, mister. Don't pretend you ever have.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Don't believe for a moment the new "threat" from N. Korea isn't by China design. Whenever China has expansion plans, or feels their trading advantages are threatened, their pitbull Kim starts snarling at the U.S. We in turn, ramp up the rhetoric, send an armada into the Sea of Japan, while China begs us to show patience and suggests "talks" to delay any action until the next wave of crazy comes from the ME. N.Korea fades in importance as our attention is again diverted and China's goon quiets down. China's head-fake works over and over again. This time they blocked a coal shipment or two and didn't block a UN resolution, but little else. It's how they've operated for years and we've fallen for it time after time. Neither Xi Jinping or President Trump want an all-out war on the Korean Peninsula. We'd win it but S. Korea would get mauled in the process and China would be faced with an America-controlled unified Korea on it's border.

I've advocated for pulling U.S. forces out of Korea to remove one of China's trump cards. With that accomplished, we don't have to consider losing several thousand GIs in a N.Korea attack on the south. But it tips off everybody concerned that we're about to end the stalemate. So what about Seoul? N. Korean artillery can hammer the S.Korean capital pretty much un-checked for 4 or 5 days until we take it out those batteries. Then we'd cripple their command and control, and own the airspace over N. Korea. And then China would feel threatened and we'd have another Korean war with the Chi-Coms. The whole scenario is a thorn bush....no matter which way you turn you get stabbed. Is there a simple answer? Yes.

Locate with certainty the location of Kim Jong-un in a given window of opportunity and send him a gift basket. MOAB. And then it's only China's problem.

There's that MOAB reference again.

Some of you need to learn about this system.

GBU-43/B MOAB - Wikipedia

I saw several daisy-cutters dropped in Vietnam, mister. Don't pretend you ever have.

How many of those Daisy Cutters were shot down before they ever reached their targets? Probably none because we had total air superiority over the targets.

That is not the case in NK and will never be the case without a sustained systematic air campaign. That kind of loses the element of surprise, don't you think?

That's why we don't let amateurs plan our strategies.

 

[BluesLegend]

China has used NK as a pawn in their unfair trade game for decades. Basically China says allow us to continue fucking over America on trade or we won't help with NK. Every time Congress or a President looks like they are about to smack China on trade NK acts out as if by magic.

 

[Moonglow]

. You might want to look into that some time, when you aren't trying to yank food out the mouths of hungry kids to give tax breaks to billionaires.

mmmm...nuthin hits the spot like a hungry kids burger....tasty.

The sweet meat is in the rump...

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

Like I've said before, we need to cut a deal with China. Have China take NK leadership out and denuclearize it. They decapitate the leadership during a faux internal coup, send in troops to "stabilize" the country and later artfully and effectively annex it. This stabilizes their border and pacifies the region.

 

[Tom Horn]

How many of those Daisy Cutters were shot down before they ever reached their targets? .

Shot down? A daisy-cutter is a bomb, moron.....who's the amateur here?

 

[Tom Horn]

The sweet meat is in the rump...

Yeah, we know you're a queer, Bart.

 

[Tom Horn]

Like I've said before, we need to cut a deal with China. Have China take NK leadership out and denuclearize it. They decapitate the leadership during a faux internal coup, send in troops to "stabilize" the country and later artfully and effectively annex it. This stabilizes their border and pacifies the region.

They're not interested ZZ.....NK is very useful to them as a diversion. Short of an attack on Kimchi, or even along with it, we need to strangle China financially......close down their trade with us completely....they're so overextended on credit they'd collapse inside a year.

 

[bendog]

You work on the delusion that Kim himself is the problem. They'd just put another one of his relatives on the throne and that would be it.

The big problem with North Korea is that if it collapsed economically, it would send millions of refugees pouring into S. Korea and China, and nobody wants that.

The problem is Jina itself. They use KimBongWong as a military wedge in its economic expansion in markets and the S.China Sea. They want to wedge into our trading alliances, and destabilize any notion that we alone protect the world from another global conflict. NK is not going to nuke LA, because everyone knows our only possible response would be to inflict a nuclear holocaust on NK. A deterrent isn't a deterrent if you're afraid to inflict exponentially greater damage than is inflicted upon you. Jina certainly doesn't want that. Nor do they want their Asian trading partners to see them as the instigator of a war.

The problem is that for Trump (or Obama or W or Slick) to actually do anything about it, we'd have to have cripple all the US companies that mftr shit in China to sell here. Well, maybe Slick could have pulled off a conventional attack that would have led to SK instilling a more or less compliant puppet.