The Coronavirus: What They’re Not Telling You

[colfax_m]

I’ve actually complimented Azog a number of times. He’s clearly an intelligent person, and quite knowledgeable about some topics.

He’s replied by calling me an idiot and a liar repeatedly.

Now according to him, I’m fascist for not wanting to turn a kind war this way.

Let me rephrase.

Azog: I believe people should show ID when they vote.

Colfax: Then you're a racist.


When a conversation begins like that, how can there be civility or debate?

Thanks for your kind words btw.

I agree, a bad way for a conversation to go down. That’s not how I speak.

Colfax: Israeli settlement policy is harmful to future prospects of peace in a two state solution.

Azog: then you’re antisemitic.

Unfortunately, that is how you speak.

Negative...well maybe on that topic. I am sick of people piling on Israel when every mostly Islamic country is a complete and utter humanitarian, economic or military disaster. Safest place for a Muslim woman or a Muslim gay man in the Middle East is Israel but the media rarely if ever mentions this. Instead they talk settlements. Why would I support another Muslim nation when every single one is awful. Please explain.

Not the point. You prevented the attempt to have a rational discussion on the matter. I or anyone else is required to agree with everything Israel does lest we be labeled anti-Semitic.

You accuse those of doing what you do (in my case, falsely accused me).

If I did, my bad. I honestly don't recall.

Okay, sure.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Really, kind of amazing really. Most every Leftist here incessantly calls every Trump-supporter (and you are one by simply not vilifying him) an uncouth, knuckle-dragging, backward inbred! And every "red" state an empty plot of weeds and swamps full of hillbillies, then they complain and wonder when you don't turn a kind ear their way?

I’ve actually complimented Azog a number of times. He’s clearly an intelligent person, and quite knowledgeable about some topics.

He’s replied by calling me an idiot and a liar repeatedly.

Now according to him, I’m fascist for not wanting to turn a kind war this way.

Let me rephrase.

Azog: I believe people should show ID when they vote.

Colfax: Then you're a racist.


When a conversation begins like that, how can there be civility or debate?

Thanks for your kind words btw.

I agree, a bad way for a conversation to go down. That’s not how I speak.

Colfax: Israeli settlement policy is harmful to future prospects of peace in a two state solution.

Azog: then you’re antisemitic.

Unfortunately, that is how you speak.

Seriously? The ONLY thing which has prevented, and always will prevent any 2-state solution since the 1960s is the ARABS.

Unfortunately that’s not 100% true.

Take that aside we all agree that every mostly Muslim nation is either a humanitarian, military or economic disaster or all three or 2/3? So why would anyone in their right mind negotiate with such regimes? If Israel were mostly Muslim no one would raise an eyebrow but because it is mostly Jewish and a Democracy we have outcry and only from the Left mind you. Please explain that.

 

[colfax_m]

I’ve actually complimented Azog a number of times. He’s clearly an intelligent person, and quite knowledgeable about some topics.

He’s replied by calling me an idiot and a liar repeatedly.

Now according to him, I’m fascist for not wanting to turn a kind war this way.

Let me rephrase.

Azog: I believe people should show ID when they vote.

Colfax: Then you're a racist.


When a conversation begins like that, how can there be civility or debate?

Thanks for your kind words btw.

I agree, a bad way for a conversation to go down. That’s not how I speak.

Colfax: Israeli settlement policy is harmful to future prospects of peace in a two state solution.

Azog: then you’re antisemitic.

Unfortunately, that is how you speak.

Seriously? The ONLY thing which has prevented, and always will prevent any 2-state solution since the 1960s is the ARABS.

Unfortunately that’s not 100% true.

Take that aside we all agree that every mostly Muslim nation is either a humanitarian, military or economic disaster or all three or 2/3? So why would anyone in their right mind negotiate with such regimes? If Israel were mostly Muslim no one would raise an eyebrow but because it is mostly Jewish and a Democracy we have outcry and only from the Left mind you. Please explain that.

Because they are one of our closest allies and that demands a higher standard of behavior. If any other of our close allies were behaving in a similar way (to the specific criticisms levied), they would be getting criticism.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Let me rephrase.

Azog: I believe people should show ID when they vote.

Colfax: Then you're a racist.


When a conversation begins like that, how can there be civility or debate?

Thanks for your kind words btw.

I agree, a bad way for a conversation to go down. That’s not how I speak.

Colfax: Israeli settlement policy is harmful to future prospects of peace in a two state solution.

Azog: then you’re antisemitic.

Unfortunately, that is how you speak.

Seriously? The ONLY thing which has prevented, and always will prevent any 2-state solution since the 1960s is the ARABS.

Unfortunately that’s not 100% true.

Take that aside we all agree that every mostly Muslim nation is either a humanitarian, military or economic disaster or all three or 2/3? So why would anyone in their right mind negotiate with such regimes? If Israel were mostly Muslim no one would raise an eyebrow but because it is mostly Jewish and a Democracy we have outcry and only from the Left mind you. Please explain that.

Because they are one of our closest allies and that demands a higher standard of behavior. If any other of our close allies were behaving in a similar way (to the specific criticisms levied), they would be getting criticism.

KSA is our ally? No? Where is the criticism there? Turkey? Erdogan is basically a dictator. I don't see criticism on the level of Israel. Do you realize that it is illegal to be a Jew and enter KSA. But they have that pesky oil!

 

[toobfreak]

Guys, this thread is about the VIRUS, not the Middle East.

 

[colfax_m]

I agree, a bad way for a conversation to go down. That’s not how I speak.

Colfax: Israeli settlement policy is harmful to future prospects of peace in a two state solution.

Azog: then you’re antisemitic.

Unfortunately, that is how you speak.

Seriously? The ONLY thing which has prevented, and always will prevent any 2-state solution since the 1960s is the ARABS.

Unfortunately that’s not 100% true.

Take that aside we all agree that every mostly Muslim nation is either a humanitarian, military or economic disaster or all three or 2/3? So why would anyone in their right mind negotiate with such regimes? If Israel were mostly Muslim no one would raise an eyebrow but because it is mostly Jewish and a Democracy we have outcry and only from the Left mind you. Please explain that.

Because they are one of our closest allies and that demands a higher standard of behavior. If any other of our close allies were behaving in a similar way (to the specific criticisms levied), they would be getting criticism.

KSA is our ally? No? Where is the criticism there? Turkey? Erdogan is basically a dictator. I don't see criticism on the level of Israel. Do you realize that it is illegal to be a Jew and enter KSA. But they have that pesky oil!

You don’t see criticism for Erdogan or KSA from Trump, but there certainly is criticism from the left.

Neither of them are allies on the same level as Israel.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Seriously? The ONLY thing which has prevented, and always will prevent any 2-state solution since the 1960s is the ARABS.

Unfortunately that’s not 100% true.

Take that aside we all agree that every mostly Muslim nation is either a humanitarian, military or economic disaster or all three or 2/3? So why would anyone in their right mind negotiate with such regimes? If Israel were mostly Muslim no one would raise an eyebrow but because it is mostly Jewish and a Democracy we have outcry and only from the Left mind you. Please explain that.

Because they are one of our closest allies and that demands a higher standard of behavior. If any other of our close allies were behaving in a similar way (to the specific criticisms levied), they would be getting criticism.

KSA is our ally? No? Where is the criticism there? Turkey? Erdogan is basically a dictator. I don't see criticism on the level of Israel. Do you realize that it is illegal to be a Jew and enter KSA. But they have that pesky oil!

You don’t see criticism for Erdogan or KSA from Trump, but there certainly is criticism from the left.

Neither of them are allies on the same level as Israel.

There is? Please show links for BDS Turkey.

Same level? Don't we have military bases in Turkey? Don't have any in Israel?

 

[Mac1958]

So all these conservative knuckleheads that think they are helping Trump by downplaying the risks of this disease are being severe chowderheads.

Folks just automatically lapse into their partisan stance and start slinging the bullshit, even when they don't NEED to.
.

 

[colfax_m]

Unfortunately that’s not 100% true.

Take that aside we all agree that every mostly Muslim nation is either a humanitarian, military or economic disaster or all three or 2/3? So why would anyone in their right mind negotiate with such regimes? If Israel were mostly Muslim no one would raise an eyebrow but because it is mostly Jewish and a Democracy we have outcry and only from the Left mind you. Please explain that.

Because they are one of our closest allies and that demands a higher standard of behavior. If any other of our close allies were behaving in a similar way (to the specific criticisms levied), they would be getting criticism.

KSA is our ally? No? Where is the criticism there? Turkey? Erdogan is basically a dictator. I don't see criticism on the level of Israel. Do you realize that it is illegal to be a Jew and enter KSA. But they have that pesky oil!

You don’t see criticism for Erdogan or KSA from Trump, but there certainly is criticism from the left.

Neither of them are allies on the same level as Israel.

There is? Please show links for BDS Turkey.

Same level? Don't we have military bases in Turkey? Don't have any in Israel?

Is the presence of military bases the only measure of closeness of an ally?

We hold Israel to a higher standard.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Take that aside we all agree that every mostly Muslim nation is either a humanitarian, military or economic disaster or all three or 2/3? So why would anyone in their right mind negotiate with such regimes? If Israel were mostly Muslim no one would raise an eyebrow but because it is mostly Jewish and a Democracy we have outcry and only from the Left mind you. Please explain that.

Because they are one of our closest allies and that demands a higher standard of behavior. If any other of our close allies were behaving in a similar way (to the specific criticisms levied), they would be getting criticism.

KSA is our ally? No? Where is the criticism there? Turkey? Erdogan is basically a dictator. I don't see criticism on the level of Israel. Do you realize that it is illegal to be a Jew and enter KSA. But they have that pesky oil!

You don’t see criticism for Erdogan or KSA from Trump, but there certainly is criticism from the left.

Neither of them are allies on the same level as Israel.

There is? Please show links for BDS Turkey.

Same level? Don't we have military bases in Turkey? Don't have any in Israel?

Is the presence of military bases the only measure of closeness of an ally?

We hold Israel to a higher standard.

If that’s the case then we should not be allowing pro BDS marches. And should laud them as one of our strongest allies.

 

[colfax_m]

Because they are one of our closest allies and that demands a higher standard of behavior. If any other of our close allies were behaving in a similar way (to the specific criticisms levied), they would be getting criticism.

KSA is our ally? No? Where is the criticism there? Turkey? Erdogan is basically a dictator. I don't see criticism on the level of Israel. Do you realize that it is illegal to be a Jew and enter KSA. But they have that pesky oil!

You don’t see criticism for Erdogan or KSA from Trump, but there certainly is criticism from the left.

Neither of them are allies on the same level as Israel.

There is? Please show links for BDS Turkey.

Same level? Don't we have military bases in Turkey? Don't have any in Israel?

Is the presence of military bases the only measure of closeness of an ally?

We hold Israel to a higher standard.

If that’s the case then we should not be allowing pro BDS marches. And should laud them as one of our strongest allies.

That almost sounds fascist.

 

[Doc7505]

What I'm hearing THE LEAST about -- far less than the politics of it or the scaremongering or the screaming -- is exactly what it's like to have it, and how many people just ride it out at home like the flu. Actual, real life facts.
That's not exciting enough to report on, I guess.
,

Most healthy people with no cardio vascular complication, or diabetes or history of smoking, have a 1% mortality risk that is ten times what the flu has. People with these complications have from a 6% to 14% chance of dying depending on their particular set of complication.

If 150 million people in this country gets COVID19, an average prediction, that means we will have about1.5 million deaths among totally healthy people, about 9 million among those with complications (like me).

So all these conservative knuckleheads that think they are helping Trump by downplaying the risks of this disease are being severe chowderheads.

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Here's some statistics from the CDC on what the Swine Flu (H1N1) virus did based upon the delayed response of Obama in 2009... It is doubtful that 150 million will be infected in the U.S., due to good health and sanitation procedures.
It's not we haven't faced a Covid Flu virus coming from China before.
The hysteria being created by the Progressive Marxist Socialist/DSA Leftists and their allied biased media is at it's height and has to be toned down.

2009 H1N1 Pandemic (H1N1pdm09 virus) | Pandemic Influenza ...
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html
Jun 11, 2019 · Since the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, the (H1N1)pdm09 flu virus has circulated seasonally in the U.S. causing significant illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths. More Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus

 

[22lcidw]

Take that aside we all agree that every mostly Muslim nation is either a humanitarian, military or economic disaster or all three or 2/3? So why would anyone in their right mind negotiate with such regimes? If Israel were mostly Muslim no one would raise an eyebrow but because it is mostly Jewish and a Democracy we have outcry and only from the Left mind you. Please explain that.

Because they are one of our closest allies and that demands a higher standard of behavior. If any other of our close allies were behaving in a similar way (to the specific criticisms levied), they would be getting criticism.

KSA is our ally? No? Where is the criticism there? Turkey? Erdogan is basically a dictator. I don't see criticism on the level of Israel. Do you realize that it is illegal to be a Jew and enter KSA. But they have that pesky oil!

You don’t see criticism for Erdogan or KSA from Trump, but there certainly is criticism from the left.

Neither of them are allies on the same level as Israel.

There is? Please show links for BDS Turkey.

Same level? Don't we have military bases in Turkey? Don't have any in Israel?

Is the presence of military bases the only measure of closeness of an ally?

We hold Israel to a higher standard.

Israel exists. Nothing is going to end that. No matter how pizzed the Islamic population is, the powers that be made that area a state for Jewish people in the mid to late 1940's. The people who may have an issue are the ones who were forced from there. But everyone else needs to worry about their own people and build successful and rich nations.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

KSA is our ally? No? Where is the criticism there? Turkey? Erdogan is basically a dictator. I don't see criticism on the level of Israel. Do you realize that it is illegal to be a Jew and enter KSA. But they have that pesky oil!

You don’t see criticism for Erdogan or KSA from Trump, but there certainly is criticism from the left.

Neither of them are allies on the same level as Israel.

There is? Please show links for BDS Turkey.

Same level? Don't we have military bases in Turkey? Don't have any in Israel?

Is the presence of military bases the only measure of closeness of an ally?

We hold Israel to a higher standard.

If that’s the case then we should not be allowing pro BDS marches. And should laud them as one of our strongest allies.

That almost sounds fascist.

Almost. Except it could be considered a hate crime. Yes or no?

 

[JimBowie1958]

It's not we haven't faced a Covid Flu virus coming from China before.
The hysteria being created by the Progressive Marxist Socialist/DSA Leftists and their allied biased media is at it's height and has to be toned down.

2009 H1N1 Pandemic (H1N1pdm09 virus) | Pandemic Influenza ...
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html
Jun 11, 2019 · Since the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, the (H1N1)pdm09 flu virus has circulated seasonally in the U.S. causing significant illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths. More Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus

That was one of Obama's biggest fubars. It was SIX MONTHS before he and his administration took serious action on H1N1.

One of the diffs between COVID19 and other corona viruses is that with COVID19, the spikes are active in dismantling cell walls, while they are mostly inert in other corona viruses, as I understand it.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

you are loud and dumb. this shit has been spread for days on this board. the obama administration declared a public health emergency on april 27, 2009.

U.S. Declares Public Health Emergency in Wake of Swine Flu

Nothing in your story contradicts anything I reported. But they considered Swine "very rare" at 20,000 infections per year. So far, we have HOW MANY?

How many schools and sports leagues were shut down during swine flu?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/05/AR2009050500719.html

726 schools in spring 2009

Where was the news coverage? This was after the fact. What pro sports leagues shut down? No way was there the hype and fear-mongering like this one. Obama was potus.

ridiculous. there was the typical fearmongering. but obama was a responsible serious person, not an internet troll like trump.

Flu outbreak: Walking the line between hyping and helping

View attachment 312137

That’s the NYT?
Try this 4-years-later reporting...
2009 Swine Flu Pandemic May Have Killed Ten Times As Many People As Originally Thought

 

[jknowgood]

4000 died under Obama's failure and no big media hype. Goes to show how despicable you people are.

i know that this your current narrative. several other mindless drones have told me this tale already.

Proves you loons are trying to use this to make Trump look bad and it's failing, big time.

regurgitating lies does not prove anything. feel free to fuck off.

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Obama declares H1N1 emergency
Obama declares H1N1 emergency - CNN.com
Oct 24, 2009 · Washington (CNN) -- President Obama has declared a national emergency to deal with the "rapid increase in illness" from the H1N1 influenza virus. "The 2009 H1N1 pandemic continues to …
"The 2009 H1N1 pandemic continues to evolve. The rates of illness continue to rise rapidly within many communities across the nation, and the potential exists for the pandemic to overburden health care resources in some localities," Obama said in a statement..... "Thus, in recognition of the continuing progression of the pandemic, and in further preparation as a nation, we are taking additional steps to facilitate our response."
Since the H1N1 flu pandemic began in April, millions of people in the United States have been infected, at least 20,000 have been hospitalized and more than 1,000 have died, said Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


Obviously you don't believe one of your main sources of information.

you morons just throw the same shit again and again. if you were interested, you would know by now at the latest what was going on in 2009. it has been posted many times.
but you are not interested in facts, or honest discussion.

Lol, the only reason we have all this hype, is because you loons want to bash Trump and the way you were silent when it was under Obama. Proves you really don't care about the welfare of others.

 

[jknowgood]

i know that this your current narrative. several other mindless drones have told me this tale already.

Proves you loons are trying to use this to make Trump look bad and it's failing, big time.

regurgitating lies does not prove anything. feel free to fuck off.

~~~~~~
Obama declares H1N1 emergency
Obama declares H1N1 emergency - CNN.com
Oct 24, 2009 · Washington (CNN) -- President Obama has declared a national emergency to deal with the "rapid increase in illness" from the H1N1 influenza virus. "The 2009 H1N1 pandemic continues to …
"The 2009 H1N1 pandemic continues to evolve. The rates of illness continue to rise rapidly within many communities across the nation, and the potential exists for the pandemic to overburden health care resources in some localities," Obama said in a statement..... "Thus, in recognition of the continuing progression of the pandemic, and in further preparation as a nation, we are taking additional steps to facilitate our response."
Since the H1N1 flu pandemic began in April, millions of people in the United States have been infected, at least 20,000 have been hospitalized and more than 1,000 have died, said Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


Obviously you don't believe one of your main sources of information.

you morons just throw the same shit again and again. if you were interested, you would know by now at the latest what was going on in 2009. it has been posted many times.
but you are not interested in facts, or honest discussion.

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Facts are facts and you can't change the past actions of your leader or his incompetence. From the get go DJT has acted promptly and decisively in controlling this Wuhan Covid-19 virus. That is why we've had less deaths here than anywhere else.
Obviously you are either too brainwashed by the PMS/DSA Left to logically understand that Obama did not act in the concern or best interests of Americans by waiting till more than 1,000 died of the Chinese Swine Virus, whereas DJT acted quickly and is still acting in the best interest of America and it's citizens.
Honestly what do you expect Trump to do that he has not done so far to stem this virial pandemic? Be specific...

These are the same loons that were calling Trump racist when he stopped travel from China in January. Which saved lives.