The Death of a Presidency

[Soggy in NOLA]

I didn't say he was a two-term president. He lost to Clinton because of the unsuccessful Gulf War in 1991.

False.. He lost over the "Read my lips, no new taxes" pledge that he reneged on. Gulf War I was a compete success in terms of the stated goals.

Really? So Saddam Hussein was removed from power....OK, I got it now.

That was never the stated goal... the stated and accomplished goal was to push the Iraqi's out of Kuwait.

Go read a book....

 

[candycorn]

Oh you're gonna' make me cry......Did you think to write a eulogy like this on the day Bear Stearns failed in 2008 setting off the worst financial calamity since 1929?

On September 12, 2001 when it came to light that Condie Rice and Bush just didn't happen to read the August Presidential Daily Briefs about OBL?

Did you think to write something like this when the war in Afghanistan hit its 10th anniversary?

Nah, I didn't think so.

If it wasn't for short-sightedness, you wouldn't be able to see anything at all.

When it rained common sence whiner-bitch's bowl was upside down

 

[Londoner]

The Republicans hated Obama from the first day and were determined to destroy his Presidency. Their goal was to filibuster and obstruct this rookie into the ground. Bush had no problem nominating judges or getting all the funding he needed for Iraq, even after it became unpopular. Obama on the other hand has faced more filibusters than the last 3 presidents combined, and they refuse to let him undertake basic court nominations even with center right candidates.

Any Republican who supports any piece of Obama's legislation - even if that legislation was first proposed by a republican - is threatened with a primary challenge. Any Republican that does anything to let Obama govern is called a traitor.

The republicans are at war with the democrats. They believe their country has been stolen and destroying Obama is their way of taking it back.

They can't have a repeat of the Clinton years where the economy thrived under a democrat. They are having trouble winning the presidency and in danger of only being an obstructionist party that only serves the wealthy elite. If they fail to destroy ObamaCare and tif they fail to destroy he Obama economy, than Hillary will win in 2016. Destroying Obama is literally a matter of survival. It is non- negotiable.

 

[healthmyths]

Oh you're gonna' make me cry......Did you think to write a eulogy like this on the day Bear Stearns failed in 2008 setting off the worst financial calamity since 1929?

On September 12, 2001 when it came to light that Condie Rice and Bush just didn't happen to read the August Presidential Daily Briefs about OBL?

Did you think to write something like this when the war in Afghanistan hit its 10th anniversary?

Nah, I didn't think so.

If it wasn't for short-sightedness, you wouldn't be able to see anything at all.

Where in the world were you from 2000 to 2008???
I want you to word for word REFUTE all of the following events THAT NO NONE ZERO president has EVER had to go through as these EVENTS the GWB had to manage!
NOT ONE President has had these magnitude of events!

PLEASE TELL ME THESE EVENTS didn't occur???

DID THIS HAPPEN?? WAS IT BUSH's FAULT???
The 2001 recession that STARTED under Clinton official began in March that year, so today's announcement makes it an eight-month downturn.
USATODAY.com - It's official: 2001 recession only lasted eight months

DID THIS HAPPEN?? WAS IT BUSH's FAULT???
1) Dot.com bust cost $5 trillion in lost market value..
this means every year for 30 years now starting in 2000 the federal revenue is over $20 billion written off against taxes owed.
300,000 people LOST jobs due to the bust!
According to the Los Angeles Times, when the dot-com bubble burst, it wiped out $5 trillion dollars in market value for tech companies.
More than half of the Internet companies created since 1995 were gone by 2004 -
and hundreds of thousands of skilled technology workers were out of jobs.
The dot-com bubble: How to lose $5 trillion ? Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs

DID THIS HAPPEN??
2) Did YOU forget that 9/11 occurred and it cost $2 trillion over the next 30 years again $8 billion will NOT BE PAiD.. was that Bush's fault?
Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100 JUST in New York!!
Year 2001: September 11 Terrorist Attacks
The 9/11 terrorist attacks were the events that helped shape other financial events of the decade. After that terrible day in September 2001, our economic climate was never to be the same again. It was only the third time in history that the New York Stock Exchange was shut down for a period of time. In this case, it was closed from September 10 - 17. Besides the tragic human loss of that day, the economic loss cannot even be estimated. Some estimate that there was over $60 billion in insurance losses alone.

Approximately 18,000 small businesses were either displaced or destroyed in Lower Manhattan after the Twin Towers fell. There was a buildup in homeland security on all levels. 9/11 caused a catastrophic financial loss for the U.S.
The Top 10 Financial Events of the Decade

DID THIS HAPPEN?? DID BUSH CAUSE THE WORST HURRICANE SEASONS!!!!???
3) $1 trillion in written off losses due to the WORST Hurricane SEASONS in history!
The worst Katrina made landfall in Louisiana as a Category 3 in 2005. It took 1,836 lives and caused $81.2 billion in damages. Andrew slammed into South Florida in 1992 as a Category 5. It caused 40 deaths and $30 billion in property damage. More than 250,000 people were left homeless and 82,000 businesses were destroyed or damaged.
Hurricane Katrina ALONE! Year 2005: Hurricanes Katrina and Rita
On August 25, 2005, Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast of the U.S. as a strong Category 3 or low Category 4 storm. It quickly became the biggest natural disaster in U.S. history, almost destroying New Orleans due to severe flooding.

Hurricane Rita quickly followed Katrina only to make matters worse. Between the two, more than $200 billion in damage was done. 400,000 jobs were lost and 275,000 homes were destroyed. Many of the jobs and homes were never to be recovered. Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced and over 1,000 were killed and more are missing. The effect on oil and gasoline prices was long-lasting.

400,000 jobs due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita
145,000 jobs in NYC alone due to 9/11
300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts.

Almost 1 million jobs alone from those 3 events

All of this while having almost $60 billion a year in lower tax revenue due to the above losses !

The HIGHEST gross REVENUE to the Federal Government in HISTORY.. 2007 2,567,985,000 Revenues ; Expenses:$2,728,686,00 -160,701 deficit decline
Historical Tables | The White House

Largest Gross Domestic Product in history!!
When Bush took office in 2001 GDP was $12.355,271,000,000
when Bush left office in 2008 GDP was $14,359,490,000,000
A 16% increase in GDP or $2 TRILLION.

Bush growth of the GDP was greater then Clinton in 2005 GDP grew at 6.5% Clinton's best:6.4%
Measuring Worth - GDP result.

NOTE IDIOT you provided NOT ONE source as I've sourced every one of the above events!
So consequently idiot comments are you are totally irrelevant!

 

[oreo]

By Templar Kormac

I remember the night when Obama got elected 5 years ago. I was a hard right Republican just two years out of high school. My knowledge of politics was limited. I couldn't help but hope with the rest of those Americans that there would be a positive change in this country. I wanted so badly to be swept along with the rest of them, join in the euphoria of the election of the first black man to the White House. But I held myself back. As the first 100 days went by, I knew Obama would be no ordinary president. I never thought that one day, this self proclaimed savior of America would be the instrument of his own destruction.

In those 100 days, Democrats had garnered majorities in both houses of Congress, and finally after the electoral euphoria wore off, the discussion turned to healthcare insurance and economic recovery. Obama proposed a plan that he purported would provide the millions of uninsured Americans access to affordable healthcare. I thought to myself, 'hey this is cool, maybe he won't be such a bad president after all. Maybe I can get insurance!' But as I began to learn how to investigate and do research, I found out how little of this law was going to work.

Republicans repeatedly and without fail warned that millions of Americans would lose their insurance and that premiums would skyrocket, while the newly elected president continued to assert that if they liked their plans and doctors they could keep them. Despite the objections of millions upon millions of Americans against this new law, on Christmas Eve that same year, Democrats passed what would be now known as Obamacare. Republicans could do little else to stop it's passage, other than to unanimously vote no. Little did I know just how loud those objections would become.

In 2010, the backlash was tremendous. Throughout the year, millions of Americans assailed their Representatives and Senators during the congressional recess, the question most asked was "Why? Why would you ignore the will of we the people to pass a law we didn't consent to?" On election night that year, the Democrats paid dearly for their unwillingness to heed to the will of their constituents. They were swiftly rendered a minority in the house, and though miraculously, kept control of the Senate.

The next year and a half didn't see much debate on the law, since the inevitability of the ACA's implementation was almost certain. In 2011 and 2012 we saw Obama campaign on his promises, amidst the Arab Spring, the Benghazi Scandal and Superstorm Sandy. The previous four years saw him do little to fix a broken economy, but yet he was put back in the White House for a second term. Republicans would try in futility to repeal Obamacare, only to be vilified successfully by their opponents.

This year, all hell broke out for Obama, as it was made known that people under him had been targeting Tea Party organizations unfairly during the previous election. Then it got even worse, it was discovered that the NSA had been spying on millions of Americans. Scandal after scandal broke out in Washington, damaging a once proud presidency.

Still, Obama remained undeterred, unblemished. He had the entire media behind him, he could do no wrong. There was so much momentum from the passage of the law that it seemed as if Obama would be the proverbial Democratic version of Ronald Reagan. Obama appeared to invincible. Nobody could stop him. But after all those years of broken promises and scandals, it would be the signature law that supposedly defined Obama's presidency which would be responsible for undoing it. Millions of people began losing their healthcare, and premiums began rising exponentially.

The death blow came as Obama admitted that he lied to America about keeping their insurance plans and paying lower premiums. He tried to make it right by issuing an executive order allowing those millions adversely affected to keep their insurance, to no avail. In five years, I have watched myself metamorphose into someone who departed from the two party world, as I watched the presidency of a self anointed savior evaporate into the thinness of the air. The death of a presidency has come swiftly and the aura of hope and change has faded.

Extremely well written, to the point, and so TRUE

 

[R.C. Christian]

I liked your piece, but the real attention grabber was death and president. I got really excited when my peripheral vision locked on.

Hold your tongue. I appreciate your compliment, however, while I dislike him --and I do-- I don't want him to die. The amount of humiliation he is going through would be a fate worse than death anyhow. It should serve a sufficient punishment for his transgressions.

The title is a bit macabre but alas, his legacy died a slow and painful death.

I'll be nice. It's your thread after all.

 

[The T]

Those your own words?

Yes they are. Writing is a hobby of mine.

Very well done, sir!

 

[Kathy58]

Oh you're gonna' make me cry......Did you think to write a eulogy like this on the day Bear Stearns failed in 2008 setting off the worst financial calamity since 1929?

On September 12, 2001 when it came to light that Condie Rice and Bush just didn't happen to read the August Presidential Daily Briefs about OBL?

Did you think to write something like this when the war in Afghanistan hit its 10th anniversary?

Nah, I didn't think so.

If it wasn't for short-sightedness, you wouldn't be able to see anything at all.

What on earth are you talking about? Are you upset because what I said was true?

As a recent subscriber to this forum, I'm discovering that those who refuse to acknowledge this administration is a failure, often immediately attempts to divert attention to "it's all Bush's fault" instead of engaging in civil debate. FWIW, I enjoyed reading your post and shared the same cautious hope you did when Obama was elected. It's hard to witness the crumbling of this administration b/c it will have disastrous long term effects on our country.

 

[healthmyths]

The Republicans hated Obama from the first day and were determined to destroy his Presidency. Their goal was to filibuster and obstruct this rookie into the ground. Bush had no problem nominating judges or getting all the funding he needed for Iraq, even after it became unpopular. Obama on the other hand has faced more filibusters than the last 3 presidents combined, and they refuse to let him undertake basic court nominations even with center right candidates.

Any Republican who supports any piece of Obama's legislation - even if that legislation was first proposed by a republican - is threatened with a primary challenge. Any Republican that does anything to let Obama govern is called a traitor.

The republicans are at war with the democrats. They believe their country has been stolen and destroying Obama is their way of taking it back.

They can't have a repeat of the Clinton years where the economy thrived under a democrat. They are having trouble winning the presidency and in danger of only being an obstructionist party that only serves the wealthy elite. If they fail to destroy ObamaCare and tif they fail to destroy he Obama economy, than Hillary will win in 2016. Destroying Obama is literally a matter of survival. It is non- negotiable.

Why do you think the GOP hated Obama?
Was it possible they heard him say the following:
"It was usually an effective tactic, another one of those tricks I had learned.
People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves.
They were more than satisfied.
They were revealed. Such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered
young black man who didn't seem angry all the time."

Or maybe these statements:
1)Obama wants higher gas prices... "I'd like higher gas prices, just not so quickly" LiveLeak.com - Obama: Id like higher gas prices, just not so quickly
2)"Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket." Obama: I?ll make energy prices ?skyrocket? « Hot Air
3)"I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program" Barack Obama on single payer in 2003 | Physicians for a National Health Program
So this means Obama favors 1,300 companies going out of business that pay over $100 billion taxes employing 400,000!
"if somebody wants to build coal utility plant it’s just that it will bankrupt them,![/I][/B][/COLOR]"
4),tells Brazil we'll be their best oil customer... right that should be any President's priority making USA more oil dependent!
Now why would ANYONE vote for someone that wants to raise gas prices, bankrupt companies,make USA more dependent on oil..
NAW no president would get elected on that platform!!!
Using tricks and tactics to fool people all the while telling people..This candidate solemnly pledged on June 5, 2008: “In an Obama administration, we’ll lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year….. We’ll do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States.”

Unfortunately, the experts working for Medicare’s actuary have (yet again[1]) reported that in its first 10 years, Obamacare will boost health spending by “roughly $621 billion” above the amounts Americans would have spent without this misguided law.

 

[Oldstyle]

The Republicans hated Obama from the first day and were determined to destroy his Presidency. Their goal was to filibuster and obstruct this rookie into the ground. Bush had no problem nominating judges or getting all the funding he needed for Iraq, even after it became unpopular. Obama on the other hand has faced more filibusters than the last 3 presidents combined, and they refuse to let him undertake basic court nominations even with center right candidates.

Any Republican who supports any piece of Obama's legislation - even if that legislation was first proposed by a republican - is threatened with a primary challenge. Any Republican that does anything to let Obama govern is called a traitor.

The republicans are at war with the democrats. They believe their country has been stolen and destroying Obama is their way of taking it back.

They can't have a repeat of the Clinton years where the economy thrived under a democrat. They are having trouble winning the presidency and in danger of only being an obstructionist party that only serves the wealthy elite. If they fail to destroy ObamaCare and tif they fail to destroy he Obama economy, than Hillary will win in 2016. Destroying Obama is literally a matter of survival. It is non- negotiable.

I know that what you're putting out here is the "standard script" for why Obama isn't getting along with the GOP for all you knee jerk progressives, Londoner but it's almost laughably inaccurate.

If you'll recall, at the start of Obama's Presidency he had a meeting with Republican leaders at which he lectured Eric Cantor on how he would be calling the shots. It was the "Elections have consequences...I won!" speech which set the tone for how the Democrats used their majorities that first year. Did the GOP hate Obama by the end of that first year? I think that would be a rather accurate portrayal of the situation at that point. Being told to go sit out in the hall and shut up tends to do that to people. You have to remember that Barry, Harry and Nancy had already done the Obama Stimulus that was a pork fest for their supporters...and had rammed through ObamaCare without a single GOP vote. Next on the agenda was Cap & Trade legislation. Funny thing happened before they could get around to that though...the Scott Brown election in Massachusetts sent an earthquake through Washington DC. Democrats suddenly realized that they had gone along with Barry's liberal agenda against the wishes of millions of American voters...a realization that was made even more harsh by the 2010 mid-terms where Democrats lost more seats in the House and Senate than in any other election in modern political times.

 

[Oldstyle]

Oh you're gonna' make me cry......Did you think to write a eulogy like this on the day Bear Stearns failed in 2008 setting off the worst financial calamity since 1929?

On September 12, 2001 when it came to light that Condie Rice and Bush just didn't happen to read the August Presidential Daily Briefs about OBL?

Did you think to write something like this when the war in Afghanistan hit its 10th anniversary?

Nah, I didn't think so.

If it wasn't for short-sightedness, you wouldn't be able to see anything at all.

What on earth are you talking about? Are you upset because what I said was true?

As a recent subscriber to this forum, I'm discovering that those who refuse to acknowledge this administration is a failure, often immediately attempts to divert attention to "it's all Bush's fault" instead of engaging in civil debate. FWIW, I enjoyed reading your post and shared the same cautious hope you did when Obama was elected. It's hard to witness the crumbling of this administration b/c it will have disastrous long term effects on our country.

Welcome to the board, Kathy! Don't let the crazies put you off. The ignore feature is quite effective for those that can't engage in civil debate.

 

[JoeB131]

those your own words?

yes they are. Writing is a hobby of mine.

xxxxxxxxxx

 

[JoeB131]

It may be a bit long winded but still. I do believe this law is and will be the death of Obama's presidency. For the remaining years to come, he will be haunted by the lies he told and the promises he broke.

Or not.

Actually, he kind of outsmarted Big Insurance. "OH, gosh, you can keep your policy if Big Insurance will give it to you!"

And the thing is, Big Insurance used ObamaCare as an excuse to dump all the people who were too old and too sick to make a profit off of.

So now, when the insurance companies don't renew those policies anyway, those folks will end up going to the exchanges and finding out, "Geez, I never realized how badly they were ripping me off!"

 

[Geaux4it]

Oh you're gonna' make me cry......Did you think to write a eulogy like this on the day Bear Stearns failed in 2008 setting off the worst financial calamity since 1929?

On September 12, 2001 when it came to light that Condie Rice and Bush just didn't happen to read the August Presidential Daily Briefs about OBL?

Did you think to write something like this when the war in Afghanistan hit its 10th anniversary?

Nah, I didn't think so.

If it wasn't for short-sightedness, you wouldn't be able to see anything at all.

That's all you got. You want to justify the fail of Obama on history. Sorry, no tickie no laundry

Obama owns it .. And so do you losers that voted for him LMAO

-Geaux

 

[Intense]

It may be a bit long winded but still. I do believe this law is and will be the death of Obama's presidency. For the remaining years to come, he will be haunted by the lies he told and the promises he broke.

Or not.

Actually, he kind of outsmarted Big Insurance. "OH, gosh, you can keep your policy if Big Insurance will give it to you!"

And the thing is, Big Insurance used ObamaCare as an excuse to dump all the people who were too old and too sick to make a profit off of.

So now, when the insurance companies don't renew those policies anyway, those folks will end up going to the exchanges and finding out, "Geez, I never realized how badly they were ripping me off!"

ObamaCare is Big Insurance, Jackass, about as bad as it gets.

 

[JoeB131]

It may be a bit long winded but still. I do believe this law is and will be the death of Obama's presidency. For the remaining years to come, he will be haunted by the lies he told and the promises he broke.

Or not.

Actually, he kind of outsmarted Big Insurance. "OH, gosh, you can keep your policy if Big Insurance will give it to you!"

And the thing is, Big Insurance used ObamaCare as an excuse to dump all the people who were too old and too sick to make a profit off of.

So now, when the insurance companies don't renew those policies anyway, those folks will end up going to the exchanges and finding out, "Geez, I never realized how badly they were ripping me off!"

ObamaCare is Big Insurance, Jackass, about as bad as it gets.

No, ObamaCare is really RomneyCare. "Let' keep big insurance even though it is less efficient than a government system."

And big surprise, after they got past a public option, they went back to what they do best-

Screwing their policyholders.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Oh you're gonna' make me cry......Did you think to write a eulogy like this on the day Bear Stearns failed in 2008 setting off the worst financial calamity since 1929?

On September 12, 2001 when it came to light that Condie Rice and Bush just didn't happen to read the August Presidential Daily Briefs about OBL?

Did you think to write something like this when the war in Afghanistan hit its 10th anniversary?

Nah, I didn't think so.

If it wasn't for short-sightedness, you wouldn't be able to see anything at all.

I think you ar a littilce confused.

Actually, I think you are bat shit crazy. Bear Stearns, even though it failed, did not cause the crash, the crash caused the failure of Bear Stearns.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Obabble said he 'was not informed directly" that the website was in trouble before the launch...so I guess he was informed indirectly?? How does that work when youre the CINC???

I think the players involved thought the impact of canceled policies was going to be too small to matter, or else they were fearful of the blowback.....Or, the insurance companies themselves lied to Obama about the cancellations.

Hmmmmm...A insurance company lying about it's policies....what a concept......

But I seriously doubt a guy who has been on the defense for 5 years would set himself up like this.

If you actually thought you wouldn't be posting drivel. I actually posted a video from 2010 where Obama admitted that millions of people were going to lose their plans, and then lied about working to fix it. You probably missed it though, he wasn't sing a Teleprompter, so he sounded like the blithering idiot he actually is.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Oh, I wouldn't get your jockey straps hiked up too high, after all GHW Bush survived "Read my lips, no new taxes".

No he didn't. He was a one term president. He lost his re-election campaign because he broke that promise. Please educate yourself on history. That is a prime example of what happens when people figure out they've been lied to.

I didn't say he was a two-term president. He lost to Clinton because of the unsuccessful Gulf War in 1991.

If I recall correctly, the 1991 Gulf War had a specific goal, get Iraq out of Kuwait, and make sure they never went back. Want to explain how, in your world, that didn't happen?

 

[deltex1]

The Republicans hated Obama from the first day and were determined to destroy his Presidency. Their goal was to filibuster and obstruct this rookie into the ground. Bush had no problem nominating judges or getting all the funding he needed for Iraq, even after it became unpopular. Obama on the other hand has faced more filibusters than the last 3 presidents combined, and they refuse to let him undertake basic court nominations even with center right candidates.

Any Republican who supports any piece of Obama's legislation - even if that legislation was first proposed by a republican - is threatened with a primary challenge. Any Republican that does anything to let Obama govern is called a traitor.

The republicans are at war with the democrats. They believe their country has been stolen and destroying Obama is their way of taking it back.

They can't have a repeat of the Clinton years where the economy thrived under a democrat. They are having trouble winning the presidency and in danger of only being an obstructionist party that only serves the wealthy elite. If they fail to destroy ObamaCare and tif they fail to destroy he Obama economy, than Hillary will win in 2016. Destroying Obama is literally a matter of survival. It is non- negotiable.

oh.