The Definitive Critical Race Theory Thread

[Leo123]

…or, explaining what a mistake it is to support Democrat policies.



1. Critical Race Theory, in the definition proposed in the 1993 book Words That Wound, co-authored by Mari Matsuda, Charles Lawrence III, Richard Delgado, and Kimberlè Crenshaw:
"Critical race theory recognizes that racism is endemic to American life. Rather than seeing racism as aberrational, CRT scholars see it as the norm.
Critical race theory expresses skepticism toward dominant legal claims of neutrality, objectivity, color blindness, and meritocracy.

More important, as critical race theorists we adopt a stance that presumes that racism has contributed to all contemporary manifestations of group advantage and disadvantage along racial lines, including differences in income, imprisonment, health, housing, education, political representation, and military service. Our history calls for this presumption….whites must simply defer to the voices of their non-white peers."



2. The simplest rebuttal is this statement of America’s Creed, which is the opposite of CRT.

…the creed embodies “the political principles of liberty, equality, democracy, individualism, human rights, the rule of law, and private property.” Samuel P. Huntington’s Who Are We? The Challenges to America’s National Identity, p.46





3. A detailed and step-wise dismembering of the aberrant anti-humanity Critical Race Theory, by James A. Lindsay, begins here:

“ Critical Race Theory believes racism is present in every aspect of life, every relationship, and every interaction.
…the usual way society does business, the common, everyday experience of most people of color in this country,”

… what they mean by “racism” isn’t even what most people think racism means. It is not prejudice based upon race or believing some races to be superior or inferior to others that they mean by “racism.” It is, instead, the “system” of everything that happens in the social world and beyond that results in any disparity that works in the favor of “racially privileged” groups (on average) or any “racially oppressed” person claiming they experience racial oppression.

… people who take up Critical Race Theory to look for racism in everything until they find it.



In the workplace that adopts Critical Race Theory, this means that it’s only a matter of time until someone with that worldview finds out how your entire company and its culture is “racist.” At that point, they will cause a meltdown that forces everyone to take sides and demand a reorganization of the entire (now divided) office culture and management.

In schools, it will mean teaching our children to think this way and always be looking for racism in every situation and interaction. In our personal relationships, it means that friends and even family members—especially our kids who have already been educated with Critical Race Theory ideas that have been incorporated in our schools—will eventually call each other out and reject one another, because tolerating racism is also considered a form of racism t
hat would have to be discovered and stopped.”
Eight Big Reasons Critical Race Theory Is Terrible for Dealing with Racism




This is the binary system into which the Left has plunged America: to vote Democrat is to endorse Critical Race Theory....,

.....and vice versa.

Democrats need to push racism because that's what their party was built upon. Without that, they are just Marxist losers. Marxism relies on constructing false analogies, controlling the press and then controlling people's minds. Individual freedom is an anathema to them. Tearing at the foundations of a successful society is their stock and trade. CRT is nothing but Marxist dogma.

 

[PoliticalChic]

One can understand invoking unions. One can understand Real viruses.

’A crisis related to environments of enclosure....the family is an “interior” crisis like all other interiors — scholarly, professional, etc....Paul Virilio is also continually analyzing the ultrarapid forms of free-floating control that replaced the old disciplines operating in the time frame of an enclosed system....For the hospital system: the new medicine “without doctor or patient” that singles out potential sick people and subjects at risk, which in no way attests to individuation — as they say but substitutes for the individual or numerical body the code of a “dividual” material to be controlled....There is no need to fear and hope, but only to look for new weapons.’
(Deleuze and Guattari, Postscript on the Societies of Control)

It appears we have a reader here.....quite a rarity in these precincts.

 

[PoliticalChic]

…or, explaining what a mistake it is to support Democrat policies.



1. Critical Race Theory, in the definition proposed in the 1993 book Words That Wound, co-authored by Mari Matsuda, Charles Lawrence III, Richard Delgado, and Kimberlè Crenshaw:
"Critical race theory recognizes that racism is endemic to American life. Rather than seeing racism as aberrational, CRT scholars see it as the norm.
Critical race theory expresses skepticism toward dominant legal claims of neutrality, objectivity, color blindness, and meritocracy.

More important, as critical race theorists we adopt a stance that presumes that racism has contributed to all contemporary manifestations of group advantage and disadvantage along racial lines, including differences in income, imprisonment, health, housing, education, political representation, and military service. Our history calls for this presumption….whites must simply defer to the voices of their non-white peers."



2. The simplest rebuttal is this statement of America’s Creed, which is the opposite of CRT.

…the creed embodies “the political principles of liberty, equality, democracy, individualism, human rights, the rule of law, and private property.” Samuel P. Huntington’s Who Are We? The Challenges to America’s National Identity, p.46





3. A detailed and step-wise dismembering of the aberrant anti-humanity Critical Race Theory, by James A. Lindsay, begins here:

“ Critical Race Theory believes racism is present in every aspect of life, every relationship, and every interaction.
…the usual way society does business, the common, everyday experience of most people of color in this country,”

… what they mean by “racism” isn’t even what most people think racism means. It is not prejudice based upon race or believing some races to be superior or inferior to others that they mean by “racism.” It is, instead, the “system” of everything that happens in the social world and beyond that results in any disparity that works in the favor of “racially privileged” groups (on average) or any “racially oppressed” person claiming they experience racial oppression.

… people who take up Critical Race Theory to look for racism in everything until they find it.



In the workplace that adopts Critical Race Theory, this means that it’s only a matter of time until someone with that worldview finds out how your entire company and its culture is “racist.” At that point, they will cause a meltdown that forces everyone to take sides and demand a reorganization of the entire (now divided) office culture and management.

In schools, it will mean teaching our children to think this way and always be looking for racism in every situation and interaction. In our personal relationships, it means that friends and even family members—especially our kids who have already been educated with Critical Race Theory ideas that have been incorporated in our schools—will eventually call each other out and reject one another, because tolerating racism is also considered a form of racism t
hat would have to be discovered and stopped.”
Eight Big Reasons Critical Race Theory Is Terrible for Dealing with Racism




This is the binary system into which the Left has plunged America: to vote Democrat is to endorse Critical Race Theory....,

.....and vice versa.

Democrats need to push racism because that's what their party was built upon. Without that, they are just Marxist losers. Marxism relies on constructing false analogies, controlling the press and then controlling people's minds. Individual freedom is an anathema to them. Tearing at the foundations of a successful society is their stock and trade. CRT is nothing but Marxist dogma.

" Without that, they are just Marxist losers."


I fear, Leo, that these Democrat Marxists aren't the losers.
Today the Democrats control every major cultural institution…media, government, education, economy, family, religion, arts and entertainment,….all the means of dissemination of information.

There clearly is some attraction to the Democrats/Progressives/Liberals that is opaque to those of us who have an education and an intellect.

Nor, it appears, is there the will and courage to do what is necessary.


But.....I am a charter member of the Pessimist Society.

 

[Leo123]

I fear, Leo, that these Democrat Marxists aren't the losers.
Today the Democrats control every major cultural institution…media, government, education, economy, family, religion, arts and entertainment,….all the means of dissemination of information.

There clearly is some attraction to the Democrats/Progressives/Liberals that is opaque to those of us who have an education and an intellect.

Nor, it appears, is there the will and courage to do what is necessary.


But.....I am a charter member of the Pessimist Society.

Understood but I am more of an optimist because I see more and more folks willing to display the American flag. I saw almost everyone where I live refuse to wear the face-diaper of submission. There are more and more places to get 'news' other than the traditional broadcast 'alphabet' media and CNN, MSNBC and NPR. But I'm not wearing rose colored glasses either and I understand your pessimism.

 

[Dadoalex]

I'm sure this is better left unsaid, but let's imagine that "white" people think that their fellow "white" people are in some way superior to "black" people. This is not to say that any PARTICULAR white person is any "better" than any PARTICULAR "black" person, but that those in the "white" demographic have overall contributed much more to the culture, economy, and overall society than those in the "black" demographic.

Where would such an idea originate? Let me count the ways...

• Science,
• Technology,
• the Arts,
• Literature,
• Architecture,
• Philosophy,
• Entertainment (note that the sports which Blacks dominate were all created by "white" men),
• Civil law (the redress of personal grievances),
• Jurisprudence (the redress of social grievances),
• the Social Sciences (psychology, sociology),
• Humanities,
• Religion and ethics.

Have I left anything out? Surely I have.

But you get the picture. As one takes in the world in which we live, one is overwhelmed by the wonders that have been created and produced by...white men. Others have contributed, certainly - white women, Blacks, Asians, Latin Americans, even indigenous populations to a microscopic extent.

The superior contribution of "white" men to our society is so overwhelming that to deny it is pure fantasy. And yet CRT does exactly that: it denies the superiority of a group that is manifestly superior. It viciously slanders them for behavior and activities that were totally normal and accepted in their time, and most of which were gradually or precipitously eliminated VOLUNTARILY once their impacts were fully understood.

Again, this does not assert that any INDIVIDUALS are superior or inferior because of their "color", merely that if one must look at such trivialities as color/race, there is no doubt which color/race comes out ahead.

And if it is "racist" to notice a fact, then mea culpa, I am guilty as charged.

Well, I agree. You are a racist.

Remember when MLB was "superior" to the Negro Leagues? Well, except for those "barnstormers" who got kicked in fair games and MLB itself dominated by "inferior" players.
Remember when the all White NBA was "superior" to Black teams? Well, except for the Globetrotters who consistently crushed the White boys.
How about that Constitution that guaranteed freedom to all Americans. Well, if you happened to be a White Adult Property Owner, otherwise SOL.
Pretty sure your attitudes and actual US history validates most of CRT.

"How about that Constitution that guaranteed freedom to all Americans."



Democrat’s Bountiful Gifts To Out Black Brethren

1.Doubling down on their support for slavery and segregation, the Democrat Party blocked every anti-lynching to come to the Senate.

2. Dragging their feet on post-war freedom for their slaves, they imposed poll taxes and Jim Crow laws.

3. The Obama ‘Promise Program’ made it almost impossible to remove thugs and criminals from ghetto schools, to make certain that learning was impeded.

4. Authored gun laws that only law abiding citizens would obey, preventing black citizens in crime ridden neighborhood from protecting themselves.

5. Promoted bogus anti-police hatred, while ignoring some 350,000 blacks killed by lawless blacks. 324,000 U.S. Blacks Killed by Blacks In Only 35 Years – American Free Press

6. In nearing a century of Democrat welfare, blacks remain as the lowest income racial group.

7. Allied with the International Left, the Democrat party makes certain that racial animosity never dies down.

8. The Democrats made and make certain that religion and morality is barred from the schools and from the public arena. “…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, of vice versa?” Ben Shapiro


9. The Democrat judicial system is based on the idea that all blacks are felons, so felons must be released from jails. Carter-appointed judge Norma Shapiro “ is one of the worst offenders among that influential cadre of federal judges who have substituted the ACLU's prisoners' rights wish list for the Bill of Rights and have trifled with public safety concerns. …” In 1992, black youths were nine times more likely to be murdered than white youths. Democrats lied, kids died.

10. But wait…..they did manage to ban one single word from common parlance.

Thank you so much for the total irrelevance of your response.
The post to which you responded said noting about Democrats yet here you are with a 10 point position paper that means absolutely nothing to the discussion.

You have actually become more irrelevant than Trump.

 

[Leo123]

Thank you so much for the total irrelevance of your response.
The post to which you responded said noting about Democrats yet here you are with a 10 point position paper that means absolutely nothing to the discussion.

You have actually become more irrelevant than Trump.

Trump is only irrelevant to mushrooms like you...Kept in the dark and fed Democrat shit.

 

[Dadoalex]

Thank you so much for the total irrelevance of your response.
The post to which you responded said noting about Democrats yet here you are with a 10 point position paper that means absolutely nothing to the discussion.

You have actually become more irrelevant than Trump.

Trump is only irrelevant to mushrooms like you...Kept in the dark and fed Democrat shit.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Hell Trump will be in jail by year's end.
His only relevance is how much green he can suck out of fools like you before he goes down.
Watching the GOP run from Trump as he goes down will be as funny as "It's a Mad Mad Mad World."

But still, why not talk about the topic.

 

[Leo123]

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Hell Trump will be in jail by year's end.
His only relevance is how much green he can suck out of fools like you before he goes down.
Watching the GOP run from Trump as he goes down will be as funny as "It's a Mad Mad Mad World."

But still, why not talk about the topic.

What happened, did you upchuck your pablum?

 

[Skylar]

…or, explaining what a mistake it is to support Democrat policies.



1. Critical Race Theory, in the definition proposed in the 1993 book Words That Wound, co-authored by Mari Matsuda, Charles Lawrence III, Richard Delgado, and Kimberlè Crenshaw:
"Critical race theory recognizes that racism is endemic to American life. Rather than seeing racism as aberrational, CRT scholars see it as the norm.
Critical race theory expresses skepticism toward dominant legal claims of neutrality, objectivity, color blindness, and meritocracy.

More important, as critical race theorists we adopt a stance that presumes that racism has contributed to all contemporary manifestations of group advantage and disadvantage along racial lines, including differences in income, imprisonment, health, housing, education, political representation, and military service. Our history calls for this presumption….whites must simply defer to the voices of their non-white peers."



2. The simplest rebuttal is this statement of America’s Creed, which is the opposite of CRT.

…the creed embodies “the political principles of liberty, equality, democracy, individualism, human rights, the rule of law, and private property.” Samuel P. Huntington’s Who Are We? The Challenges to America’s National Identity, p.46





3. A detailed and step-wise dismembering of the aberrant anti-humanity Critical Race Theory, by James A. Lindsay, begins here:

“ Critical Race Theory believes racism is present in every aspect of life, every relationship, and every interaction.
…the usual way society does business, the common, everyday experience of most people of color in this country,”

… what they mean by “racism” isn’t even what most people think racism means. It is not prejudice based upon race or believing some races to be superior or inferior to others that they mean by “racism.” It is, instead, the “system” of everything that happens in the social world and beyond that results in any disparity that works in the favor of “racially privileged” groups (on average) or any “racially oppressed” person claiming they experience racial oppression.

… people who take up Critical Race Theory to look for racism in everything until they find it.



In the workplace that adopts Critical Race Theory, this means that it’s only a matter of time until someone with that worldview finds out how your entire company and its culture is “racist.” At that point, they will cause a meltdown that forces everyone to take sides and demand a reorganization of the entire (now divided) office culture and management.

In schools, it will mean teaching our children to think this way and always be looking for racism in every situation and interaction. In our personal relationships, it means that friends and even family members—especially our kids who have already been educated with Critical Race Theory ideas that have been incorporated in our schools—will eventually call each other out and reject one another, because tolerating racism is also considered a form of racism t
hat would have to be discovered and stopped.”
Eight Big Reasons Critical Race Theory Is Terrible for Dealing with Racism




This is the binary system into which the Left has plunged America: to vote Democrat is to endorse Critical Race Theory....,

.....and vice versa.

Democrats need to push racism because that's what their party was built upon. Without that, they are just Marxist losers. Marxism relies on constructing false analogies, controlling the press and then controlling people's minds. Individual freedom is an anathema to them. Tearing at the foundations of a successful society is their stock and trade. CRT is nothing but Marxist dogma.

So acknowledging that racist policies of the past effect people today is 'marxist dogma'?

Should it be illegal to teach children about redlining, for example?

 

[Correll]

You think that centuries of ingrained racism can be erased in a generation? Civil rights only passed in the LATE 60s. It is going to take a lot longer than 50 years to remove all the tentacles that have wound their way into our system and culture.

What is wrong with examining why racial inequality still persists, even decades after these laws have passed? How do you fix it if you don’t know why it keeps going?

America's system is a TWO PARTY system. THe reasons are not important in this context.


For quite a while the republicans were pushing for racial equality for blacks, and the democrats were fighting that.


When the dems stopped fighting it, and started supporting it, suddenly in just a few years, Racists had no voice in national policy.

The moral and intellectual Debate, they had already lost well before that.


At that point, White Racists became marginalized. I grew up not long after wards and ALL the education and media and culture I got, supported the BI-Party line, of racial equality and blah, blah, blah, to the point I was bored with it. Indeed, i did not understand as a child why they kept harping on it.

For most people today, the time when white racism was openly practiced and had real political power and actual policy based on their agenda, seems...like another world.


TODAY, and indeed, even then, though not as bad as now, the message is not "examining why racial inequality still exists", but ASSUMING any inequality is because of Wacism and blaming white people and mobilizing EVERYTHING to fight it/them.


ANY voice raised, discussing an "inequality" that says ANTHING, other than "white people's fault" is dogpiled and shouted down with cries of wacism.


This is tearing this nation apart. It is teaching blacks that whites hate them, and teaching whites that they are always going to be fucked and discriminated against.


After all, if there is an "inequality" and the cause is NOT evul whites, but the solution implemented is based on the idea that is it evul whites, whites will be punished and suffer for shit that they did not do.

Politicians deciding something in DC did not change society and culture.

Blacks don’t have to be taught that a lot of whites hate them, believe stereotypes about them, fear them…they live it every day. That you refuse to see it just perpetuates it.

'Not being fully free': The toll of everyday racism on black Americans

Analysis: Black Americans have grown tired of being forced to make the case for their citizenship, their humanity, their very survival — again and again and again.

www.nbcnews.com

I like the way you dismiss law and national policy as "politicians deciding something".


My parents were working class dems, from the Depression Era. They were primary motivated by the Union culture of the Rust Belt. Based on what I saw, long after the fact, the long standing alliance of the dem party to southern racists must have been a negative that they were forced to ignore because of overriding economic issues.


When the politicians flipped on that issue, it would not have been a problem for working class dems in the Rust Belt. They were already there on that issue, long before the Party that they supported DESPITE their racist allilance.


You are living in a fantasy land, where you imagine that your enemies are villains, so that you can be the hero.

I’m afraid it is you that is living in a fantasy land. You seem to think that legislation was passed and suddenly unicorns were farting daisies. It didn’t happen that way. It still hasn’t happened that way.

Racism was baked into our system for centuries and you think it can be a erased in a couple of decades?

I addressed that point. My point was that, imo, the dem party was FOLLOWING society, not the other way around.

I supported my point, with personal observation of my family and community in the Rust Belt.

You ignored everything I said, and just repeated your previous assertion, with a sprinkling of hyperbole and ridicule.

You weren't trying to make a point beyond "derp, dems bad, derp". The thing you keep fucking up is that you idiots think the division on civil rights was Democrats vs Republicans. It wasn't. It was North vs South...again.

We know that institutional racism exists. What is so wrong at looking at why it prevails over half a century after the civil rights act?

My point was in response to that question. I am celebrating the fact that, long ago, the Democratic Party embraced the idea of racial equality for blacks. That is not "dem bad". When I have bad things to say about the dems, I say them clearly and loudly. YOu don't have to search for nuance.


Institutional anti-black racism does NOT exist. That is a lie. This nation has had a bi-partisan consensus on racial equality for blacks since the early 60s. National policy has been based on that, since then. Federal and State law has been based on that since then. Culture and media and education has constantly and strongly indoctrinated generation after generation of Americans in that consensus since then.

It exists. Your refusal to see it perpetuates it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/opinions/systemic-racism-police-evidence-criminal-justice-system/

To understand structural racism, look to our schools

Racial inequity is baked into the public education system and for Black children, begins as early as preschool. Here are some of the systemic ways public education creates barriers to learning for Black students.

www.seattletimes.com

You see being anti-racism as being anti-white. That tells us a lot about you.

Policy, law, cultural, media, education, for 60 years has been united in pushing a bi-partisan consensus in favor of racial equality for blacks.

Schools? Have you ever met a teacher or a school administrator? They are some of the most liberal people on the fucking planet.

I reject the claim that our schools are wacist.

Gee, color me surprised that you eschew facts. Typical Trump supporter.

Pointing to the fact that teachers and administrators are overwhelmingly liberals dedicated to fighting wacism, is not eschewing facts, but embracing them.


SOmetimes I talk to them, and try to get understand how they feel about how they are constantly thrown under the bus by their fellow liberals.

I can't seem to get a straight answer. They do seem to appreciate that I point out that they are not wacist.

Teachers are only one layer of the education system. An education system that has had racism baked into it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/05/03/critical-race-theory-backlash/

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Data consistently shows that students of color are more likely to be disciplined than their White peers and receive harsher punishments for the same infractions. Black and Hispanic students are less likely to be placed in advanced or enriched classes, starting in elementary school. Many experts say school curriculums have failed to adequately reflect the perspectives of Indigenous and marginalized communities. And students and parents themselves often report that school culture does not feel welcoming.​

Most administrators are promoted teachers. And as a group they tend to be liberals committed to racial equality for minority students.

If they are not, they are almost certainly moderates committed to racial equality for minority students.

The few that do not fit those two categories? Walk softly and try to not be noticed.

Studies? I call bullshit. Teachers are more likely to give minority students a pass for bad behavior, for fear of being called wacist, or to retreat behind some idiocy of a zero tolerance policy so they can punish both/all students involved to avoid assigning true blame, or something along those lines.

You don’t believe studies that tell you it exists. You don’t believe actual black people that tell you it exists. All you have to go on is your “feelings“.


Yeah, I think I’ll go with studies and the people that are experienced it and not some white guy that thinks Trump is delightful.

Personal, direct observations are not "feelings".

And when you people blatantly lie, we notice. You don't get to lie to our faces and stone wall on it, when called on it, and expect to be given any credibility after that.

My point stands.


Policy, law, cultural, media, education, for 60 years has been united in pushing a bi-partisan consensus in favor of racial equality for blacks.

Schools? Have you ever met a teacher or a school administrator? They are some of the most liberal people on the fucking planet.

I reject the claim that our schools are wacist.

Your "observations" are also not hard data. The experience of one white guy that thinks blacks aren't as intelligent as whites and that being anti racist equals anti white, doesn't add up to a hill of beans.

...

Traditionally "hard data" was given more weight than anecdotal evidence. But with the increasing politicalization of EVERYTHING, and the dangerous increase of cancel culture, not to mention actual violent mobs in the streets,

No. Liberals and academics can't be trusted.


DO YOU KNOW ANY TEACHERS AND/OR SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS?

Translation: with the increasing insanity of the Republican Party, they must eschew facts and evidence because facts don’t support their twisted worldview.

Are you denying the power of cancel culture or the violent mobs in the streets? Are you claiming they don't exist?


What exactly is your defense against my point other than the logical fallacy of Proof by Ridicule?


Which by the way is invalid and you lose. You got anything else, or, you want to concede?

What point? You haven’t made any points. You’ve denied facts and keep repeating your feelings. You feel that teachers are overwhelmingly liberal, but completely ignore factual studies on the subject. You keep rejecting facts.

...

I pointed out that cancel culture makes such studies unreliable. And that those claims contradict our personal observations.

Do you know any teachers and/or school administrators?

I do. I have two children that just finished school in the last few years. I found their teachers and administrators to be the same mix I find all over the country. Some conservative some liberal.

And again, just because one layer of the cake is strawberry doesn’t make the whole cake strawberry. Study after study points out the systemic and institutionalized racism in the education system but you don’t believe it because a few teachers are liberal. How utterly a child like view of the world…

Do you support or reject this statement from the Racists Trump supporter, BSFilter, yes or no?

Maybe if the jigaboos work on their attitudes they might find people more welcoming.

1. Your claim that teachers are a "mix" of conservatives and liberals is absurd. As a group they lean HARD left and it shows in their work. To claim that the problems of blacks are because of teachers is nonsense.

2. Plenty of blacks do have very poor attitudes. If you are half as world wise as you claim, you know that. I'm sure that many people are turned off by the "attitude" of radicalized blacks who get more attention than they deserve.

I give you a teed up opportunity to not be a racist and you fail.

All you are doing is reasserting an absurd point.

Policy, law, cultural, media, education, for 60 years has been united in pushing a bi-partisan consensus in favor of racial equality for blacks.

Schools? Have you ever met a teacher or a school administrator? They are some of the most liberal people on the fucking planet.

I reject the claim that our schools are wacist.

You reject facts because they don't fit with your racist narrative.

Your wace baiting is noted and dismissed.


All you are doing is reasserting an absurd point.

Policy, law, cultural, media, education, for 60 years has been united in pushing a bi-partisan consensus in favor of racial equality for blacks.

Schools? Have you ever met a teacher or a school administrator? They are some of the most liberal people on the fucking planet.

I reject the claim that our schools are wacist.

Yes, we know you reject facts. No need to keep repeating yourself.

To understand structural racism, look to our schools

Racial inequity is baked into the public education system and for Black children, begins as early as preschool. Here are some of the systemic ways public education creates barriers to learning for Black students.

www.seattletimes.com

All you are doing is reasserting an absurd point.

Policy, law, cultural, media, education, for 60 years has been united in pushing a bi-partisan consensus in favor of racial equality for blacks.

Schools? Have you ever met a teacher or a school administrator? They are some of the most liberal people on the fucking planet.

I reject the claim that our schools are wacist.

All you are doing is denying facts. Not surprising from a Trumpster.

All you are doing is reasserting an absurd point.

Policy, law, cultural, media, education, for 60 years has been united in pushing a bi-partisan consensus in favor of racial equality for blacks.

Schools? Have you ever met a teacher or a school administrator? They are some of the most liberal people on the fucking planet.

I reject the claim that our schools are wacist.

Yeah, I guess facts, evidence and studies would be "absurd" to a Trumpster living on Earth 2. Here on Earth One, facts speak for themselves.

UNEQUAL RETURNS TO CHILDREN’S EFFORTS | Du Bois Review: Social Science Research on Race | Cambridge Core

UNEQUAL RETURNS TO CHILDREN’S EFFORTS - Volume 16 Issue 2

www.cambridge.org

(You, notably, have provided zero)

Like I said, when people like you can listen to a man say, "not w.s." and insist that they heard, "w.s.", you can't trust what they say.

Me? I know teachers, plenty of them. Some of them have been promoted to be administrators. They are not wacists. They are ALL (that I've met) standard out of the box libs, well indoctrinated in anti-wacism.

That’s a good boy…keep doubling down on your rejection of facts & reality. Such a perfect little Trumpster.

Dealing with the fact that you libs are either A. completely delusional, or B. completely dishonest, is dealing with reality.


My point stands. Teachers and administrators are as a group, generally speaking, completely committed to racial equality and diversity and blah, blah, blah, blah.


YOur pretense otherwise is you avoiding reality.

As a Trump supporter, you wouldn’t know reality if it bit you in the ass. Actual facts and studies run 100% counter to your feelings on the issue.

Studies are only as credible as the people doing them or peer reviewing them. You people are either completely deluded or completely dishonest.

Ignoring that, is ignoring the reality of the situation.


My personal observations of teachers and administrators stands. They are all good little lefties totally committed to wacial justice and equality and diverisity and blah, blah, blah.


THe idea that they are some sort of systemic wacism, is stupid.

 

[badger2]

I fear, Leo, that these Democrat Marxists aren't the losers.
Today the Democrats control every major cultural institution…media, government, education, economy, family, religion, arts and entertainment,….all the means of dissemination of information.

There clearly is some attraction to the Democrats/Progressives/Liberals that is opaque to those of us who have an education and an intellect.

Nor, it appears, is there the will and courage to do what is necessary.


But.....I am a charter member of the Pessimist Society.

Understood but I am more of an optimist because I see more and more folks willing to display the American flag. I saw almost everyone where I live refuse to wear the face-diaper of submission. There are more and more places to get 'news' other than the traditional broadcast 'alphabet' media and CNN, MSNBC and NPR. But I'm not wearing rose colored glasses either and I understand your pessimism.

Though not quite agreeing with the face mask, the media is the disease and critique of CRT is cutting edge, because it’s an attempt at pedophilia projected onto a (captive [italics]) school audience. Jefferson would freak.

 

[Seawytch]

You think that centuries of ingrained racism can be erased in a generation? Civil rights only passed in the LATE 60s. It is going to take a lot longer than 50 years to remove all the tentacles that have wound their way into our system and culture.

What is wrong with examining why racial inequality still persists, even decades after these laws have passed? How do you fix it if you don’t know why it keeps going?

America's system is a TWO PARTY system. THe reasons are not important in this context.


For quite a while the republicans were pushing for racial equality for blacks, and the democrats were fighting that.


When the dems stopped fighting it, and started supporting it, suddenly in just a few years, Racists had no voice in national policy.

The moral and intellectual Debate, they had already lost well before that.


At that point, White Racists became marginalized. I grew up not long after wards and ALL the education and media and culture I got, supported the BI-Party line, of racial equality and blah, blah, blah, to the point I was bored with it. Indeed, i did not understand as a child why they kept harping on it.

For most people today, the time when white racism was openly practiced and had real political power and actual policy based on their agenda, seems...like another world.


TODAY, and indeed, even then, though not as bad as now, the message is not "examining why racial inequality still exists", but ASSUMING any inequality is because of Wacism and blaming white people and mobilizing EVERYTHING to fight it/them.


ANY voice raised, discussing an "inequality" that says ANTHING, other than "white people's fault" is dogpiled and shouted down with cries of wacism.


This is tearing this nation apart. It is teaching blacks that whites hate them, and teaching whites that they are always going to be fucked and discriminated against.


After all, if there is an "inequality" and the cause is NOT evul whites, but the solution implemented is based on the idea that is it evul whites, whites will be punished and suffer for shit that they did not do.

Politicians deciding something in DC did not change society and culture.

Blacks don’t have to be taught that a lot of whites hate them, believe stereotypes about them, fear them…they live it every day. That you refuse to see it just perpetuates it.

'Not being fully free': The toll of everyday racism on black Americans

Analysis: Black Americans have grown tired of being forced to make the case for their citizenship, their humanity, their very survival — again and again and again.

www.nbcnews.com

I like the way you dismiss law and national policy as "politicians deciding something".


My parents were working class dems, from the Depression Era. They were primary motivated by the Union culture of the Rust Belt. Based on what I saw, long after the fact, the long standing alliance of the dem party to southern racists must have been a negative that they were forced to ignore because of overriding economic issues.


When the politicians flipped on that issue, it would not have been a problem for working class dems in the Rust Belt. They were already there on that issue, long before the Party that they supported DESPITE their racist allilance.


You are living in a fantasy land, where you imagine that your enemies are villains, so that you can be the hero.

I’m afraid it is you that is living in a fantasy land. You seem to think that legislation was passed and suddenly unicorns were farting daisies. It didn’t happen that way. It still hasn’t happened that way.

Racism was baked into our system for centuries and you think it can be a erased in a couple of decades?

I addressed that point. My point was that, imo, the dem party was FOLLOWING society, not the other way around.

I supported my point, with personal observation of my family and community in the Rust Belt.

You ignored everything I said, and just repeated your previous assertion, with a sprinkling of hyperbole and ridicule.

You weren't trying to make a point beyond "derp, dems bad, derp". The thing you keep fucking up is that you idiots think the division on civil rights was Democrats vs Republicans. It wasn't. It was North vs South...again.

We know that institutional racism exists. What is so wrong at looking at why it prevails over half a century after the civil rights act?

My point was in response to that question. I am celebrating the fact that, long ago, the Democratic Party embraced the idea of racial equality for blacks. That is not "dem bad". When I have bad things to say about the dems, I say them clearly and loudly. YOu don't have to search for nuance.


Institutional anti-black racism does NOT exist. That is a lie. This nation has had a bi-partisan consensus on racial equality for blacks since the early 60s. National policy has been based on that, since then. Federal and State law has been based on that since then. Culture and media and education has constantly and strongly indoctrinated generation after generation of Americans in that consensus since then.

It exists. Your refusal to see it perpetuates it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/opinions/systemic-racism-police-evidence-criminal-justice-system/

To understand structural racism, look to our schools

Racial inequity is baked into the public education system and for Black children, begins as early as preschool. Here are some of the systemic ways public education creates barriers to learning for Black students.

www.seattletimes.com

You see being anti-racism as being anti-white. That tells us a lot about you.

Policy, law, cultural, media, education, for 60 years has been united in pushing a bi-partisan consensus in favor of racial equality for blacks.

Schools? Have you ever met a teacher or a school administrator? They are some of the most liberal people on the fucking planet.

I reject the claim that our schools are wacist.

Gee, color me surprised that you eschew facts. Typical Trump supporter.

Pointing to the fact that teachers and administrators are overwhelmingly liberals dedicated to fighting wacism, is not eschewing facts, but embracing them.


SOmetimes I talk to them, and try to get understand how they feel about how they are constantly thrown under the bus by their fellow liberals.

I can't seem to get a straight answer. They do seem to appreciate that I point out that they are not wacist.

Teachers are only one layer of the education system. An education system that has had racism baked into it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/05/03/critical-race-theory-backlash/

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Data consistently shows that students of color are more likely to be disciplined than their White peers and receive harsher punishments for the same infractions. Black and Hispanic students are less likely to be placed in advanced or enriched classes, starting in elementary school. Many experts say school curriculums have failed to adequately reflect the perspectives of Indigenous and marginalized communities. And students and parents themselves often report that school culture does not feel welcoming.​

Most administrators are promoted teachers. And as a group they tend to be liberals committed to racial equality for minority students.

If they are not, they are almost certainly moderates committed to racial equality for minority students.

The few that do not fit those two categories? Walk softly and try to not be noticed.

Studies? I call bullshit. Teachers are more likely to give minority students a pass for bad behavior, for fear of being called wacist, or to retreat behind some idiocy of a zero tolerance policy so they can punish both/all students involved to avoid assigning true blame, or something along those lines.

You don’t believe studies that tell you it exists. You don’t believe actual black people that tell you it exists. All you have to go on is your “feelings“.


Yeah, I think I’ll go with studies and the people that are experienced it and not some white guy that thinks Trump is delightful.

Personal, direct observations are not "feelings".

And when you people blatantly lie, we notice. You don't get to lie to our faces and stone wall on it, when called on it, and expect to be given any credibility after that.

My point stands.


Policy, law, cultural, media, education, for 60 years has been united in pushing a bi-partisan consensus in favor of racial equality for blacks.

Schools? Have you ever met a teacher or a school administrator? They are some of the most liberal people on the fucking planet.

I reject the claim that our schools are wacist.

Your "observations" are also not hard data. The experience of one white guy that thinks blacks aren't as intelligent as whites and that being anti racist equals anti white, doesn't add up to a hill of beans.

...

Traditionally "hard data" was given more weight than anecdotal evidence. But with the increasing politicalization of EVERYTHING, and the dangerous increase of cancel culture, not to mention actual violent mobs in the streets,

No. Liberals and academics can't be trusted.


DO YOU KNOW ANY TEACHERS AND/OR SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS?

Translation: with the increasing insanity of the Republican Party, they must eschew facts and evidence because facts don’t support their twisted worldview.

Are you denying the power of cancel culture or the violent mobs in the streets? Are you claiming they don't exist?


What exactly is your defense against my point other than the logical fallacy of Proof by Ridicule?


Which by the way is invalid and you lose. You got anything else, or, you want to concede?

What point? You haven’t made any points. You’ve denied facts and keep repeating your feelings. You feel that teachers are overwhelmingly liberal, but completely ignore factual studies on the subject. You keep rejecting facts.

...

I pointed out that cancel culture makes such studies unreliable. And that those claims contradict our personal observations.

Do you know any teachers and/or school administrators?

I do. I have two children that just finished school in the last few years. I found their teachers and administrators to be the same mix I find all over the country. Some conservative some liberal.

And again, just because one layer of the cake is strawberry doesn’t make the whole cake strawberry. Study after study points out the systemic and institutionalized racism in the education system but you don’t believe it because a few teachers are liberal. How utterly a child like view of the world…

Do you support or reject this statement from the Racists Trump supporter, BSFilter, yes or no?

Maybe if the jigaboos work on their attitudes they might find people more welcoming.

1. Your claim that teachers are a "mix" of conservatives and liberals is absurd. As a group they lean HARD left and it shows in their work. To claim that the problems of blacks are because of teachers is nonsense.

2. Plenty of blacks do have very poor attitudes. If you are half as world wise as you claim, you know that. I'm sure that many people are turned off by the "attitude" of radicalized blacks who get more attention than they deserve.

I give you a teed up opportunity to not be a racist and you fail.

All you are doing is reasserting an absurd point.

Policy, law, cultural, media, education, for 60 years has been united in pushing a bi-partisan consensus in favor of racial equality for blacks.

Schools? Have you ever met a teacher or a school administrator? They are some of the most liberal people on the fucking planet.

I reject the claim that our schools are wacist.

You reject facts because they don't fit with your racist narrative.

Your wace baiting is noted and dismissed.


All you are doing is reasserting an absurd point.

Policy, law, cultural, media, education, for 60 years has been united in pushing a bi-partisan consensus in favor of racial equality for blacks.

Schools? Have you ever met a teacher or a school administrator? They are some of the most liberal people on the fucking planet.

I reject the claim that our schools are wacist.

Yes, we know you reject facts. No need to keep repeating yourself.

To understand structural racism, look to our schools

Racial inequity is baked into the public education system and for Black children, begins as early as preschool. Here are some of the systemic ways public education creates barriers to learning for Black students.

www.seattletimes.com

All you are doing is reasserting an absurd point.

Policy, law, cultural, media, education, for 60 years has been united in pushing a bi-partisan consensus in favor of racial equality for blacks.

Schools? Have you ever met a teacher or a school administrator? They are some of the most liberal people on the fucking planet.

I reject the claim that our schools are wacist.

All you are doing is denying facts. Not surprising from a Trumpster.

All you are doing is reasserting an absurd point.

Policy, law, cultural, media, education, for 60 years has been united in pushing a bi-partisan consensus in favor of racial equality for blacks.

Schools? Have you ever met a teacher or a school administrator? They are some of the most liberal people on the fucking planet.

I reject the claim that our schools are wacist.

Yeah, I guess facts, evidence and studies would be "absurd" to a Trumpster living on Earth 2. Here on Earth One, facts speak for themselves.

UNEQUAL RETURNS TO CHILDREN’S EFFORTS | Du Bois Review: Social Science Research on Race | Cambridge Core

UNEQUAL RETURNS TO CHILDREN’S EFFORTS - Volume 16 Issue 2

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(You, notably, have provided zero)

Like I said, when people like you can listen to a man say, "not w.s." and insist that they heard, "w.s.", you can't trust what they say.

Me? I know teachers, plenty of them. Some of them have been promoted to be administrators. They are not wacists. They are ALL (that I've met) standard out of the box libs, well indoctrinated in anti-wacism.

That’s a good boy…keep doubling down on your rejection of facts & reality. Such a perfect little Trumpster.

Dealing with the fact that you libs are either A. completely delusional, or B. completely dishonest, is dealing with reality.


My point stands. Teachers and administrators are as a group, generally speaking, completely committed to racial equality and diversity and blah, blah, blah, blah.


YOur pretense otherwise is you avoiding reality.

As a Trump supporter, you wouldn’t know reality if it bit you in the ass. Actual facts and studies run 100% counter to your feelings on the issue.

Studies are only as credible as the people doing them or peer reviewing them. You people are either completely deluded or completely dishonest.

Ignoring that, is ignoring the reality of the situation.


My personal observations of teachers and administrators stands. They are all good little lefties totally committed to wacial justice and equality and diverisity and blah, blah, blah.


THe idea that they are some sort of systemic wacism, is stupid.

It's not an "idea", it's been proven.

 

[PoliticalChic]

…or, explaining what a mistake it is to support Democrat policies.



1. Critical Race Theory, in the definition proposed in the 1993 book Words That Wound, co-authored by Mari Matsuda, Charles Lawrence III, Richard Delgado, and Kimberlè Crenshaw:
"Critical race theory recognizes that racism is endemic to American life. Rather than seeing racism as aberrational, CRT scholars see it as the norm.
Critical race theory expresses skepticism toward dominant legal claims of neutrality, objectivity, color blindness, and meritocracy.

More important, as critical race theorists we adopt a stance that presumes that racism has contributed to all contemporary manifestations of group advantage and disadvantage along racial lines, including differences in income, imprisonment, health, housing, education, political representation, and military service. Our history calls for this presumption….whites must simply defer to the voices of their non-white peers."



2. The simplest rebuttal is this statement of America’s Creed, which is the opposite of CRT.

…the creed embodies “the political principles of liberty, equality, democracy, individualism, human rights, the rule of law, and private property.” Samuel P. Huntington’s Who Are We? The Challenges to America’s National Identity, p.46





3. A detailed and step-wise dismembering of the aberrant anti-humanity Critical Race Theory, by James A. Lindsay, begins here:

“ Critical Race Theory believes racism is present in every aspect of life, every relationship, and every interaction.
…the usual way society does business, the common, everyday experience of most people of color in this country,”

… what they mean by “racism” isn’t even what most people think racism means. It is not prejudice based upon race or believing some races to be superior or inferior to others that they mean by “racism.” It is, instead, the “system” of everything that happens in the social world and beyond that results in any disparity that works in the favor of “racially privileged” groups (on average) or any “racially oppressed” person claiming they experience racial oppression.

… people who take up Critical Race Theory to look for racism in everything until they find it.



In the workplace that adopts Critical Race Theory, this means that it’s only a matter of time until someone with that worldview finds out how your entire company and its culture is “racist.” At that point, they will cause a meltdown that forces everyone to take sides and demand a reorganization of the entire (now divided) office culture and management.

In schools, it will mean teaching our children to think this way and always be looking for racism in every situation and interaction. In our personal relationships, it means that friends and even family members—especially our kids who have already been educated with Critical Race Theory ideas that have been incorporated in our schools—will eventually call each other out and reject one another, because tolerating racism is also considered a form of racism t
hat would have to be discovered and stopped.”
Eight Big Reasons Critical Race Theory Is Terrible for Dealing with Racism




This is the binary system into which the Left has plunged America: to vote Democrat is to endorse Critical Race Theory....,

.....and vice versa.

Democrats need to push racism because that's what their party was built upon. Without that, they are just Marxist losers. Marxism relies on constructing false analogies, controlling the press and then controlling people's minds. Individual freedom is an anathema to them. Tearing at the foundations of a successful society is their stock and trade. CRT is nothing but Marxist dogma.

So acknowledging that racist policies of the past effect people today is 'marxist dogma'?

Should it be illegal to teach children about redlining, for example?

"We’re talking about fundamentally different worldviews about our national history and culture.

In one view, our nation is rooted in and defined by racism and oppression. In the other view, the nation’s founding was a landmark moment in human history, in which, for the first time, a society would be defined by human liberty, justice, and equality before the law.

Can we have a school system that mixes oil and water? I don’t think so.

But critical race theory has already made it into many school curricula.

According to the Manhattan Institute’s Christopher Rufo, writing in The Wall Street Journal, “Critical race theory-inspired lessons have often devolved into race-based struggle sessions, with public schools forcing children to rank themselves according to a racial hierarchy, subjecting white teachers to ‘antiracist therapy’ and encouraging parents to become ‘white traitors.'”

Critical Race Theory Further Cements Importance of School Choice

Legislation has been introduced in 24 states and enacted in six states, blocking critical race theory instruction in public schools.

www.dailysignal.com

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

So acknowledging that racist policies of the past effect people today is 'marxist dogma'?

Should it be illegal to teach children about redlining, for example?

To be polite let's just say your post is disingenuous. Or not informed at all.
Critical Race Theory is about far more than just acknowledged past racist policies.

It teaches children that whites are inherently racist and evil no matter how hard they deny or
claim otherwise and no matter what they do. Got that?
It teaches collective guilt and makes every white child in America as guilty of racism as if he or she
were themselves Klan members.

And black children are victims and forever doomed to a second class existence no matter how high up
the societal ladder they might climb through there own diligence and merit.

This has nothing to do with teaching about redlining. It is full scale brainwashing and Marxist indoctrination.
Wise up.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Ibram X. Kendi’s Parents Worked to Give Him a Good Life. He Called Them Racists.​

Critical race theory makes children into the enemies of their parents.

“Both of my parents emerged from poor families, one from Northern urban projects, one from Southern rural fields. Both framed their rise from poverty into the middle class in the 1980s as a climb up the ladder of education and hard work. As they climbed, they were inundated with racist talking points about black people refusing to climb, the ones who were irresponsibly strung out on heroin or crack, who enjoyed stealing and being criminally dependent on the hard-earned money of climbing Americans like them,” Kendi writes. “My parents, along with many others in the new Black middle class, consumed these ideas.”

What makes these ideas racist? Believing that you can get ahead through hard work is whiteness talking.


Kendi’s parents, Larry and Carol Rogers, an accountant and business analyst, not only bought into the middle class dream, but they worked hard, and they succeeded at giving him a comfortable childhood."

Ibram X. Kendi’s Parents Worked to Give Him a Good Life. He Called Them Racists. | Frontpage Mag

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is an investigative journalist and writer focusing on the radical Left and Islamic

www.frontpagemag.com

 

[Leo123]

"Ibram X. Kendi’s Parents Worked to Give Him a Good Life. He Called Them Racists.​

Critical race theory makes children into the enemies of their parents.

“Both of my parents emerged from poor families, one from Northern urban projects, one from Southern rural fields. Both framed their rise from poverty into the middle class in the 1980s as a climb up the ladder of education and hard work. As they climbed, they were inundated with racist talking points about black people refusing to climb, the ones who were irresponsibly strung out on heroin or crack, who enjoyed stealing and being criminally dependent on the hard-earned money of climbing Americans like them,” Kendi writes. “My parents, along with many others in the new Black middle class, consumed these ideas.”

What makes these ideas racist? Believing that you can get ahead through hard work is whiteness talking.


Kendi’s parents, Larry and Carol Rogers, an accountant and business analyst, not only bought into the middle class dream, but they worked hard, and they succeeded at giving him a comfortable childhood."

Ibram X. Kendi’s Parents Worked to Give Him a Good Life. He Called Them Racists. | Frontpage Mag

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is an investigative journalist and writer focusing on the radical Left and Islamic

www.frontpagemag.com

Kendi's parents fought against the "You're not cool if you're smart" thinking so pervasive among juvenile thinking. Some people realize the benefits of working hard and learning, others never stopped being children.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Ibram X. Kendi’s Parents Worked to Give Him a Good Life. He Called Them Racists.​

Critical race theory makes children into the enemies of their parents.

“Both of my parents emerged from poor families, one from Northern urban projects, one from Southern rural fields. Both framed their rise from poverty into the middle class in the 1980s as a climb up the ladder of education and hard work. As they climbed, they were inundated with racist talking points about black people refusing to climb, the ones who were irresponsibly strung out on heroin or crack, who enjoyed stealing and being criminally dependent on the hard-earned money of climbing Americans like them,” Kendi writes. “My parents, along with many others in the new Black middle class, consumed these ideas.”

What makes these ideas racist? Believing that you can get ahead through hard work is whiteness talking.


Kendi’s parents, Larry and Carol Rogers, an accountant and business analyst, not only bought into the middle class dream, but they worked hard, and they succeeded at giving him a comfortable childhood."

Ibram X. Kendi’s Parents Worked to Give Him a Good Life. He Called Them Racists. | Frontpage Mag

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is an investigative journalist and writer focusing on the radical Left and Islamic

www.frontpagemag.com

Kendi's parents fought against the "You're not cool if you're smart" thinking so pervasive among juvenile thinking. Some people realize the benefits of working hard and learning, others never stopped being children.

"...the "You're not cool if you're smart" thinking so pervasive among juvenile thinking."


Interesting you say that.
My children were home schooled, and my youngest made a similar observation about the government school kids.
They bought that lie, and home schoolers haven't.

 

[meaner gene]

Interesting you say that.
My children were home schooled, and my youngest made a similar observation about the government school kids.
They bought that lie, and home schoolers haven't.

The problem with home school is there is effectively zero competition. Whether they do "A" level work, or "D" level work, they're still top of the class.

 

[Leo123]

Interesting you say that.
My children were home schooled, and my youngest made a similar observation about the government school kids.
They bought that lie, and home schoolers haven't.

They (government school kids) bought the lie and are living it (as adult-aged people) like good little Marxist tools. Central government does not like exceptional people. It decries individualism, the complete opposite of everything American is supposed to stand for.

 

[meaner gene]

Central government does not like exceptional people. It decries individualism, the complete opposite of everything American is supposed to stand for.

Can you be any more wrong?
Just take the soviet union under strong central government control. They fostered finding and mentoring the exceptional among them. The only difference is the government doing the testing, instead of private individuals doing it.

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