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Only if I complained. Which I wouldn't. I would find a baker who wanted to work with me. And then I would take to the internet and tell everyone I know that this baker discriminated against me and people shouldnt use him.Name another group that conspires to force businesses to close, threatens to "out" politicians unless the vote the right way, and wages nasty social media campaigns against CEOs for their personal beliefs. Yeah, we know.
It would be the same if a gay baker discriminated against you because you were a heterosexual. Then, they would be fined and perhaps driving out of business. Do you see that?
You understand that I am in favor of people's ability to discriminate in business, even if that means they discriminate against me, right?
That's your prerogative. It has nothing to do with the law though. Your personal feelings and beliefs are not what our laws are based upon. Our laws are based upon fair and just business practices that do not discriminate against a certain sector of the public.
No offense but you're becoming redundant
Me????I'm just trying to explain American secular law to you. You still don't seem to get it though. We are not Iran. We don't prefer religious practices over fair business practices when it comes to doing business in America.
Name another group that conspires to force businesses to close, threatens to "out" politicians unless the vote the right way, and wages nasty social media campaigns against CEOs for their personal beliefs. Yeah, we know.Oh please. I think it would be you who is lying here. You like the gays then?
It would be the same if a gay baker discriminated against you because you were a heterosexual. Then, they would be fined and perhaps driving out of business. Do you see that?
why would a hetero couple want a gay baker to make their cake? Why would they want to force him, if he objected due to his sexual orientation? The gay baker should be free to only provide his products to other gays if he chooses to so limit his customers.
Maybe he makes delicious cakes?
Nope, can't do that. It's against the law.
damn, I thought you were coming around, now you have reverted to being as dumb as a sack of frog feet.
Very ignorant.
Denying people rights and privileges the same as what you have IS discrimination. Hello?
Whose rights should prevail? Does one person's right to a gay marriage void someone else's right to just be left alone?
No. It doesn't. The rights in The Constitution are essentially negative rights - meaning they are the right to be left alone to manage one's own life. Forcing someone to employ his skills and resources AGAINST HIS WILL his a clear violation of his Liberty.
For every bakery that doesn't want to make Gay Wedding Cakes, there will be others that will happily provide the business. The right go Gay Marriage should not be construed as a right to FORCE EVERYONE TO PARTICIPATE in one's wedding.
Nobody is controlling your life. Gay marriage is not controlling your life. The thing is, if you open a business, you are not allowed to discriminate against anyone. If you cannot manage that, then you don't open a business because you will be breaking a law.
That is a CROCK. You are buying into the Prog agenda of voiding Property Rights and Individual Liberty.
One person's liberty stops at the boundary of someone else's. A bakery not wanting to bake a cake for someone doesn't prevent the gay couple from getting a cake elsewhere.
Where does this end? Isn't it discrimination to not provide a cake to people with no money? Because that is where this is headed.
Lol. Okay. If you cannot see the value of anti-discrimination laws, I can't help you. If you don't understand that American laws are not based upon any one particular religious principal, then I can't help you.
Name another group that conspires to force businesses to close, threatens to "out" politicians unless the vote the right way, and wages nasty social media campaigns against CEOs for their personal beliefs. Yeah, we know.
It would be the same if a gay baker discriminated against you because you were a heterosexual. Then, they would be fined and perhaps driving out of business. Do you see that?
why would a hetero couple want a gay baker to make their cake? Why would they want to force him, if he objected due to his sexual orientation? The gay baker should be free to only provide his products to other gays if he chooses to so limit his customers.
Maybe he makes delicious cakes?
Nope, can't do that. It's against the law.
damn, I thought you were coming around, now you have reverted to being as dumb as a sack of frog feet.
I'm sorry, but that's how I view you too.
Only if I complained. Which I wouldn't. I would find a baker who wanted to work with me. And then I would take to the internet and tell everyone I know that this baker discriminated against me and people shouldnt use him.It would be the same if a gay baker discriminated against you because you were a heterosexual. Then, they would be fined and perhaps driving out of business. Do you see that?
You understand that I am in favor of people's ability to discriminate in business, even if that means they discriminate against me, right?
That's your prerogative. It has nothing to do with the law though. Your personal feelings and beliefs are not what our laws are based upon. Our laws are based upon fair and just business practices that do not discriminate against a certain sector of the public.
No offense but you're becoming redundant
Me????
You sound like a broken record, you already posted that before. Quality, not quanity
Your back to "it's the law." I already demonstrated that's a failure.Only if I complained. Which I wouldn't. I would find a baker who wanted to work with me. And then I would take to the internet and tell everyone I know that this baker discriminated against me and people shouldnt use him.Name another group that conspires to force businesses to close, threatens to "out" politicians unless the vote the right way, and wages nasty social media campaigns against CEOs for their personal beliefs. Yeah, we know.Another lie from you.
Oh please. I think it would be you who is lying here. You like the gays then?
It would be the same if a gay baker discriminated against you because you were a heterosexual. Then, they would be fined and perhaps driving out of business. Do you see that?
You understand that I am in favor of people's ability to discriminate in business, even if that means they discriminate against me, right?
That's your prerogative. It has nothing to do with the law though. Your personal feelings and beliefs are not what our laws are based upon. Our laws are based upon fair and just business practices that do not discriminate against a certain sector of the public.
If you're forced to engage i an activity you would not do otherwise then someone is controlling your life. How do you not see that?Denying people rights and privileges the same as what you have IS discrimination. Hello?
Whose rights should prevail? Does one person's right to a gay marriage void someone else's right to just be left alone?
No. It doesn't. The rights in The Constitution are essentially negative rights - meaning they are the right to be left alone to manage one's own life. Forcing someone to employ his skills and resources AGAINST HIS WILL his a clear violation of his Liberty.
For every bakery that doesn't want to make Gay Wedding Cakes, there will be others that will happily provide the business. The right go Gay Marriage should not be construed as a right to FORCE EVERYONE TO PARTICIPATE in one's wedding.
Nobody is controlling your life. Gay marriage is not controlling your life. The thing is, if you open a business, you are not allowed to discriminate against anyone. If you cannot manage that, then you don't open a business because you will be breaking a law.
For Social Justice Snowflakes, tolerance is not enough. They want to force complete Acceptance and Participation in whatever their Cause De Tweet is.
This is just more paranoia. Nobody is out to get you. Really. You are still free to practice your religion. You just cannot apply those beliefs (discriminatory) to a business. A business is not allowed to discriminate against anyone, and this protects all of us from being discriminated against. That's all there is to it really.
I'm not gay, and I don't feel threatened at all by gay people. Although I may not always agree with their tactics, I can understand why they would feel disenfranchised.
Only if I complained. Which I wouldn't. I would find a baker who wanted to work with me. And then I would take to the internet and tell everyone I know that this baker discriminated against me and people shouldnt use him.
You understand that I am in favor of people's ability to discriminate in business, even if that means they discriminate against me, right?
That's your prerogative. It has nothing to do with the law though. Your personal feelings and beliefs are not what our laws are based upon. Our laws are based upon fair and just business practices that do not discriminate against a certain sector of the public.
No offense but you're becoming redundant
Me????
You sound like a broken record, you already posted that before. Quality, not quanity
Just trying to make you guys understand that your religious convictions are not applicable to business practices because we are a secular nation and not a theocracy. It's really quite simple. Muslims are not allowed to discriminate against you because you are a Christian. Christians are not allowed to discriminate against gays because they are gay. It's really nothing to throw temper tantrum about. It is not an "unjust" law because it applies to everyone equally.
Only if I complained. Which I wouldn't. I would find a baker who wanted to work with me. And then I would take to the internet and tell everyone I know that this baker discriminated against me and people shouldnt use him.
You understand that I am in favor of people's ability to discriminate in business, even if that means they discriminate against me, right?
That's your prerogative. It has nothing to do with the law though. Your personal feelings and beliefs are not what our laws are based upon. Our laws are based upon fair and just business practices that do not discriminate against a certain sector of the public.
No offense but you're becoming redundant
Me????
You sound like a broken record, you already posted that before. Quality, not quanity
Just trying to make you guys understand that your religious convictions are not applicable to business practices because we are a secular nation and not a theocracy. It's really quite simple. Muslims are not allowed to discriminate against you because you are a Christian. Christians are not allowed to discriminate against gays because they are gay. It's really nothing to throw temper tantrum about. It is not an "unjust" law because it applies to everyone equally.
It would be the same if a gay baker discriminated against you because you were a heterosexual. Then, they would be fined and perhaps driving out of business. Do you see that?
why would a hetero couple want a gay baker to make their cake? Why would they want to force him, if he objected due to his sexual orientation? The gay baker should be free to only provide his products to other gays if he chooses to so limit his customers.
Maybe he makes delicious cakes?
Nope, can't do that. It's against the law.
damn, I thought you were coming around, now you have reverted to being as dumb as a sack of frog feet.
I'm sorry, but that's how I view you too.
maybe a sack of frog feet was too complimentary, how about a sack of cat shit?
Denying people rights and privileges the same as what you have IS discrimination. Hello?
Whose rights should prevail? Does one person's right to a gay marriage void someone else's right to just be left alone?
No. It doesn't. The rights in The Constitution are essentially negative rights - meaning they are the right to be left alone to manage one's own life. Forcing someone to employ his skills and resources AGAINST HIS WILL his a clear violation of his Liberty.
For every bakery that doesn't want to make Gay Wedding Cakes, there will be others that will happily provide the business. The right go Gay Marriage should not be construed as a right to FORCE EVERYONE TO PARTICIPATE in one's wedding.
Nobody is controlling your life. Gay marriage is not controlling your life. The thing is, if you open a business, you are not allowed to discriminate against anyone. If you cannot manage that, then you don't open a business because you will be breaking a law.
That is a CROCK. You are buying into the Prog agenda of voiding Property Rights and Individual Liberty.
One person's liberty stops at the boundary of someone else's. A bakery not wanting to bake a cake for someone doesn't prevent the gay couple from getting a cake elsewhere.
Where does this end? Isn't it discrimination to not provide a cake to people with no money? Because that is where this is headed.
Lol. Okay. If you cannot see the value of anti-discrimination laws, I can't help you. If you don't understand that American laws are not based upon any one particular religious principal, then I can't help you.
what you don't, or won't, get is that anti discrimination goes both ways.
those food limitations are based on religious beliefs, just as opposition to gay marriage is based on religious beliefs in some cases. Its exactly the same thing.
I don't agree with AA. I think at one time it was needed but not anymore since we have anti-discrimination laws! See how that works?
Yes, you continue to make my points for me. Maybe there is hope for you
Right, but it is BECAUSE we have anti discrimination laws. They protect all of us. That is what you need to realize.
I do realize it you need to realize that its a two way street and that all beliefs are due the same protections.
That's not the agenda. The agenda is to make Progressivism more powerful, and to crush traditional American values. Angelo Codevilla has an excellent piece on this topic at NRO:
The ruling class’s component groups jointly dismiss America’s traditional liberties because they aim to replace them with their own primacy. Having seized the power to redefine liberty, our rulers tighten their definitions around their opponents’ necks like nooses. Since their desire for primacy has no limit, they can’t stop tightening. The norms that they demand that we honor help sustain each constituency by letting its members feel good about themselves while looking down on others. Their “dignitary interests” (to use Justice Kennedy’s term for who must be honored vs. those who must submit to being vilified) simply trump those of others. This is why the ruling class demonizes any questioning of its demands’ substance by imposing modern equivalents of the slave-era “gag rule.” They wage identity politics as war. ...
Read more at: Rulikng class redefinitions no more equal protection National Review Online
That sounds like a bunch of paranoia, IMO. As far as the laws are concerned, they are fair and just to everyone equally. They are anti discrimination laws that apply equally to everyone. Your traditional values as an American are not necessarily the same as another person's traditional values.
Everyone is an individual, and we don't all think or believe the same. That is what makes life interesting.
why would a hetero couple want a gay baker to make their cake? Why would they want to force him, if he objected due to his sexual orientation? The gay baker should be free to only provide his products to other gays if he chooses to so limit his customers.
Maybe he makes delicious cakes?
Nope, can't do that. It's against the law.
damn, I thought you were coming around, now you have reverted to being as dumb as a sack of frog feet.
I'm sorry, but that's how I view you too.
maybe a sack of frog feet was too complimentary, how about a sack of cat shit?
Whose rights should prevail? Does one person's right to a gay marriage void someone else's right to just be left alone?
No. It doesn't. The rights in The Constitution are essentially negative rights - meaning they are the right to be left alone to manage one's own life. Forcing someone to employ his skills and resources AGAINST HIS WILL his a clear violation of his Liberty.
For every bakery that doesn't want to make Gay Wedding Cakes, there will be others that will happily provide the business. The right go Gay Marriage should not be construed as a right to FORCE EVERYONE TO PARTICIPATE in one's wedding.
Nobody is controlling your life. Gay marriage is not controlling your life. The thing is, if you open a business, you are not allowed to discriminate against anyone. If you cannot manage that, then you don't open a business because you will be breaking a law.
That is a CROCK. You are buying into the Prog agenda of voiding Property Rights and Individual Liberty.
One person's liberty stops at the boundary of someone else's. A bakery not wanting to bake a cake for someone doesn't prevent the gay couple from getting a cake elsewhere.
Where does this end? Isn't it discrimination to not provide a cake to people with no money? Because that is where this is headed.
Lol. Okay. If you cannot see the value of anti-discrimination laws, I can't help you. If you don't understand that American laws are not based upon any one particular religious principal, then I can't help you.
what you don't, or won't, get is that anti discrimination goes both ways.
Businesses are not allowed to discriminate period. When someone comes in and asks you, as a public accommodation business, to bake a cake, and you refuse. They are not discriminating against you! Good grief! It's you who is discriminating against them!
That's your prerogative. It has nothing to do with the law though. Your personal feelings and beliefs are not what our laws are based upon. Our laws are based upon fair and just business practices that do not discriminate against a certain sector of the public.
No offense but you're becoming redundant
Me????
You sound like a broken record, you already posted that before. Quality, not quanity
Just trying to make you guys understand that your religious convictions are not applicable to business practices because we are a secular nation and not a theocracy. It's really quite simple. Muslims are not allowed to discriminate against you because you are a Christian. Christians are not allowed to discriminate against gays because they are gay. It's really nothing to throw temper tantrum about. It is not an "unjust" law because it applies to everyone equally.
Nobody is throwing a temper tantrum. Christians have their rights also, you seem to agree it's OK to trample all over them. The bakers should take this to court, they would have a very good case
why would a hetero couple want a gay baker to make their cake? Why would they want to force him, if he objected due to his sexual orientation? The gay baker should be free to only provide his products to other gays if he chooses to so limit his customers.
Maybe he makes delicious cakes?
Nope, can't do that. It's against the law.
damn, I thought you were coming around, now you have reverted to being as dumb as a sack of frog feet.
I'm sorry, but that's how I view you too.
maybe a sack of frog feet was too complimentary, how about a sack of cat shit?
Whose rights should prevail? Does one person's right to a gay marriage void someone else's right to just be left alone?
No. It doesn't. The rights in The Constitution are essentially negative rights - meaning they are the right to be left alone to manage one's own life. Forcing someone to employ his skills and resources AGAINST HIS WILL his a clear violation of his Liberty.
For every bakery that doesn't want to make Gay Wedding Cakes, there will be others that will happily provide the business. The right go Gay Marriage should not be construed as a right to FORCE EVERYONE TO PARTICIPATE in one's wedding.
Nobody is controlling your life. Gay marriage is not controlling your life. The thing is, if you open a business, you are not allowed to discriminate against anyone. If you cannot manage that, then you don't open a business because you will be breaking a law.
That is a CROCK. You are buying into the Prog agenda of voiding Property Rights and Individual Liberty.
One person's liberty stops at the boundary of someone else's. A bakery not wanting to bake a cake for someone doesn't prevent the gay couple from getting a cake elsewhere.
Where does this end? Isn't it discrimination to not provide a cake to people with no money? Because that is where this is headed.
Lol. Okay. If you cannot see the value of anti-discrimination laws, I can't help you. If you don't understand that American laws are not based upon any one particular religious principal, then I can't help you.
what you don't, or won't, get is that anti discrimination goes both ways.
Businesses are not allowed to discriminate period. When someone comes in and asks you, as a public accommodation business, to bake a cake, and you refuse. They are not discriminating against you! Good grief! It's you who is discriminating against them!
No offense but you're becoming redundant
Me????
You sound like a broken record, you already posted that before. Quality, not quanity
Just trying to make you guys understand that your religious convictions are not applicable to business practices because we are a secular nation and not a theocracy. It's really quite simple. Muslims are not allowed to discriminate against you because you are a Christian. Christians are not allowed to discriminate against gays because they are gay. It's really nothing to throw temper tantrum about. It is not an "unjust" law because it applies to everyone equally.
Nobody is throwing a temper tantrum. Christians have their rights also, you seem to agree it's OK to trample all over them. The bakers should take this to court, they would have a very good case
I see temper tantrums. The hatred and ignorance is . . . unbelievable. The SAME would be applicable if a gay person refused you service. IT works the same either way. Therefore, it is not unjust. If it just applied to gays or Muslims or Christians, then the law would be unjust.
You shjould have seen the complaint and what the carpet muncher alleged. SHe was traumatized by the refusal, she wanted to call the wedding off, etc etc. What a snowflake.It is clear that the 135 K fine is warranted.
Gays are a very frail group and such a traumatic event probably warrants counseling for the rest of their lives.
