The election gave the Republicans authorization to change healthcare

[ElmerMudd]

As an Obama supporter and a supporter of Obama care. I feel Obama care needs to be changed not repealed.
But the Republicans won the Presidency and congress and the electorate gave them authorization to repeal and replace ACH.

Let the Republicans put forth there best healthcare plan, implement it and see what happens.

I feel it will have bigger problems than ACH but only time will tell. I feel many of those who voted for Trump will have a harder time getting health insurance but only time will tell.

I personally will not have my healthcare affected and I will receive tax breaks but I feel more will suffer than gain from the new plan.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Thats what you feel huh. R's know how to hold dog and pony show votes that mean nothing. It would be almost impossible to produce something worse than Ocare though.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Thats what you feel huh. R's know how to hold dog and pony show votes that mean nothing. It would be almost impossible to produce something worse than Ocare though.

It is time for all the BS talking to stop.
Put the healthcare into effect and the Republicans can live with the consequences good or bad.

My prediction is many Trump supporters will not be happy with the Republican healthcare but we will see.

 

[blackhawk]

As you said time will tell.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Thats what you feel huh. R's know how to hold dog and pony show votes that mean nothing. It would be almost impossible to produce something worse than Ocare though.

It may be tough to produce something worse than ACH but it can be done.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Thats what you feel huh. R's know how to hold dog and pony show votes that mean nothing. It would be almost impossible to produce something worse than Ocare though.

It is time for all the BS talking to stop.
Put the healthcare into effect and the Republicans can live with the consequences good or bad.

My prediction is many Trump supporters will not be happy with the Republican healthcare but we will see.

Thats what you feel huh. R's know how to hold dog and pony show votes that mean nothing. It would be almost impossible to produce something worse than Ocare though.

It may be tough to produce something worse than ACH but it can be done.

It can definitely be done.

 

[task0778]

Thats what you feel huh. R's know how to hold dog and pony show votes that mean nothing. It would be almost impossible to produce something worse than Ocare though.

It may be tough to produce something worse than ACH but it can be done.

So here's the question, which I posed in my thread on this subject: should the Democrats sit back and let something worse happen? That's your idea of good and responsible governance? Not you personally Elmer, I am directing that question at the lib/dems around here.

 

[easyt65]

So here's the question, which I posed in my thread on this subject: should the Democrats sit back and let something worse happen? That's your idea of good and responsible governance?

When did Democrats give a $hit about 'good responsible governance'?

They lied their asses off about the ACA before ramming the minority-supported socialist agenda-driven cost-skyrocketing collapsing POS into law while declaring Americans had no right to know what was in the ACA until it was rammed into law.

After losing the Presidential election they called for military coups and for assassinations while simultaneously declaring their 100% committment to complete and utter obstruction to EVERYTHING in Congress the next 4 years.
-- Does THAT sound like good responsible governance' to you?

 

[task0778]

So here's the question, which I posed in my thread on this subject: should the Democrats sit back and let something worse happen? That's your idea of good and responsible governance?

When did Democrats give a $hit about 'good responsible governance'?

They lied their asses off about the ACA before ramming the minority-supported socialist agenda-driven cost-skyrocketing collapsing POS into law while declaring Americans had no right to know what was in the ACA until it was rammed into law.

After losing the Presidential election they called for military coups and for assassinations while simultaneously declaring their 100% committment to complete and utter obstruction to EVERYTHING in Congress the next 4 years.
-- Does THAT sound like good responsible governance' to you?

No, it doesn't. I'm just saying if the Dems will not work with the Repubs to even try to come up with a better HCI system that what we've had so far then it's gonna be hard for them to go to the American voters and say we're working hard for your best interests. Not that the GOP is doing much better, but if the Dems are uncooperative then at least the GOP can deflect some blame on them.

 

[whitehall]

Here's a couple of tidbit quotes from the Obama era: "republicans can get on the bus but they have to sit in the back"....Barry Hussein. Also there is this one, "you can see what's in the (healthcare) bill after it's passed"...Nancy Pelosi

 

[ElmerMudd]

Thats what you feel huh. R's know how to hold dog and pony show votes that mean nothing. It would be almost impossible to produce something worse than Ocare though.

It may be tough to produce something worse than ACH but it can be done.

So here's the question, which I posed in my thread on this subject: should the Democrats sit back and let something worse happen? That's your idea of good and responsible governance? Not you personally Elmer, I am directing that question at the lib/dems around here.

What can the Democrats do? All they can do is delay action. ACH needs changes but the Democrats cannot do that on their own and the Republicans will not try and fix it. They want to repeal.
The election took away the options for the Democrats.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Here's a couple of tidbit quotes from the Obama era: "republicans can get on the bus but they have to sit in the back"....Barry Hussein. Also there is this one, "you can see what's in the (healthcare) bill after it's passed"...Nancy Pelosi

Sounds like what the Republicans are saying now.
They are all the same.

 

[ElmerMudd]

So here's the question, which I posed in my thread on this subject: should the Democrats sit back and let something worse happen? That's your idea of good and responsible governance?

When did Democrats give a $hit about 'good responsible governance'?

They lied their asses off about the ACA before ramming the minority-supported socialist agenda-driven cost-skyrocketing collapsing POS into law while declaring Americans had no right to know what was in the ACA until it was rammed into law.

After losing the Presidential election they called for military coups and for assassinations while simultaneously declaring their 100% committment to complete and utter obstruction to EVERYTHING in Congress the next 4 years.
-- Does THAT sound like good responsible governance' to you?

No, it doesn't. I'm just saying if the Dems will not work with the Repubs to even try to come up with a better HCI system that what we've had so far then it's gonna be hard for them to go to the American voters and say we're working hard for your best interests. Not that the GOP is doing much better, but if the Dems are uncooperative then at least the GOP can deflect some blame on them.

Both sides refuse to find middle ground.
The Republicans will pass their healthcare.
If the Republican plan ends up being better than ACH in practice the Democrats are in trouble. If the Republican plan is worse, the Republicans are in trouble.

 

[task0778]

Thats what you feel huh. R's know how to hold dog and pony show votes that mean nothing. It would be almost impossible to produce something worse than Ocare though.

It may be tough to produce something worse than ACH but it can be done.

So here's the question, which I posed in my thread on this subject: should the Democrats sit back and let something worse happen? That's your idea of good and responsible governance? Not you personally Elmer, I am directing that question at the lib/dems around here.

What can the Democrats do? All they can do is delay action. ACH needs changes but the Democrats cannot do that on their own and the Republicans will not try and fix it. They want to repeal.
The election took away the options for the Democrats.

As I see it the Democrats have 2 options:

1. Fight for the ACA, to keep it alive as long as possible and oppose any other plan.

2. Cooperate with the GOP to create and implement a better plan than what the ACA is. I don't know how any sane person can look at what's going on with the problems the ACA has and decide we can't do better than that. The reality is that today the GOP controls the House, the Senate, and the White House. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO EVEN TRY TO FIX THE ACA. Which is one very big reason why the democrats totally fucked up when they rammed the ACA through without Repub support, didn't even try. Didn't have popular support from the public either, nobody wanted it but they rammed it through anyway and it didn't work. Democrats can piss and moan all they want about getting no help from the GOP to fix it, but when the other side has no say in the construction then it's all yours baby.

 

[task0778]

Here's a couple of tidbit quotes from the Obama era: "republicans can get on the bus but they have to sit in the back"....Barry Hussein. Also there is this one, "you can see what's in the (healthcare) bill after it's passed"...Nancy Pelosi

Sounds like what the Republicans are saying now.
They are all the same.

Where do you hear anything like that?

 

[ElmerMudd]

Thats what you feel huh. R's know how to hold dog and pony show votes that mean nothing. It would be almost impossible to produce something worse than Ocare though.

It may be tough to produce something worse than ACH but it can be done.

So here's the question, which I posed in my thread on this subject: should the Democrats sit back and let something worse happen? That's your idea of good and responsible governance? Not you personally Elmer, I am directing that question at the lib/dems around here.

What can the Democrats do? All they can do is delay action. ACH needs changes but the Democrats cannot do that on their own and the Republicans will not try and fix it. They want to repeal.
The election took away the options for the Democrats.

As I see it the Democrats have 2 options:

1. Fight for the ACA, to keep it alive as long as possible and oppose any other plan.

2. Cooperate with the GOP to create and implement a better plan than what the ACA is. I don't know how any sane person can look at what's going on with the problems the ACA has and decide we can't do better than that. The reality is that today the GOP controls the House, the Senate, and the White House. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO EVEN TRY TO FIX THE ACA. Which is one very big reason why the democrats totally fucked up when they rammed the ACA through without Repub support, didn't even try. Didn't have popular support from the public either, nobody wanted it but they rammed it through anyway and it didn't work. Democrats can piss and moan all they want about getting no help from the GOP to fix it, but when the other side has no say in the construction then it's all yours baby.

The fundamental difference between Democrats and Republicans is mandating health insurance. They will not compromise. Democrats feel the system cannot work without the mandate. Republicans will not allow a mandate.
I agree with the Democrats. There is no doubt the ACA needed fixing but the mandate must stay.
The Republicans will go out without the mandate.

We will see who is right

 

[ElmerMudd]

Here's a couple of tidbit quotes from the Obama era: "republicans can get on the bus but they have to sit in the back"....Barry Hussein. Also there is this one, "you can see what's in the (healthcare) bill after it's passed"...Nancy Pelosi

Sounds like what the Republicans are saying now.
They are all the same.

Where do you hear anything like that?

The Republicans would not let the Democrats attend meetings to write the bill. That is worse than being at the back of the bus. Listen to the news.

 

[task0778]

Here's a couple of tidbit quotes from the Obama era: "republicans can get on the bus but they have to sit in the back"....Barry Hussein. Also there is this one, "you can see what's in the (healthcare) bill after it's passed"...Nancy Pelosi

Sounds like what the Republicans are saying now.
They are all the same.

Where do you hear anything like that?

The Republicans would not let the Democrats attend meetings to write the bill. That is worse than being at the back of the bus. Listen to the news.

It's a proposal Elmer, not a bill. I see nothing wrong with the Repubs getting together to write their own proposal without the Dems. I assume it'll go into various committees for discussion and it'll be open for debate and amendments on the Senate Floor. That's not being in the back of the bus, which was a demeaning thing to say, as though the Repubs were 2nd class citizens. Which is more than Harry Reid did when he ran the Senate.

 

[task0778]

Thats what you feel huh. R's know how to hold dog and pony show votes that mean nothing. It would be almost impossible to produce something worse than Ocare though.

It may be tough to produce something worse than ACH but it can be done.

So here's the question, which I posed in my thread on this subject: should the Democrats sit back and let something worse happen? That's your idea of good and responsible governance? Not you personally Elmer, I am directing that question at the lib/dems around here.

What can the Democrats do? All they can do is delay action. ACH needs changes but the Democrats cannot do that on their own and the Republicans will not try and fix it. They want to repeal.
The election took away the options for the Democrats.

As I see it the Democrats have 2 options:

1. Fight for the ACA, to keep it alive as long as possible and oppose any other plan.

2. Cooperate with the GOP to create and implement a better plan than what the ACA is. I don't know how any sane person can look at what's going on with the problems the ACA has and decide we can't do better than that. The reality is that today the GOP controls the House, the Senate, and the White House. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO EVEN TRY TO FIX THE ACA. Which is one very big reason why the democrats totally fucked up when they rammed the ACA through without Repub support, didn't even try. Didn't have popular support from the public either, nobody wanted it but they rammed it through anyway and it didn't work. Democrats can piss and moan all they want about getting no help from the GOP to fix it, but when the other side has no say in the construction then it's all yours baby.

The fundamental difference between Democrats and Republicans is mandating health insurance. They will not compromise. Democrats feel the system cannot work without the mandate. Republicans will not allow a mandate.
I agree with the Democrats. There is no doubt the ACA needed fixing but the mandate must stay.
The Republicans will go out without the mandate.

We will see who is right

The mandate didn't work. It was supposed to force young and healthy people to buy HCI, which they didn't do. Why repeat a mistake?

 

[Darkwind]

Thats what you feel huh. R's know how to hold dog and pony show votes that mean nothing. It would be almost impossible to produce something worse than Ocare though.

There is, of course, one real problem to that. The Republicans won't and aren't putting forth the best Healthcare solution they can for fear of what the media and Democrats will lie about.