The End of Liberalism....

[NYcarbineer]

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Frank continues to live in la la land. Liberalism has not ended, and we will have to live with it because morons on the far right, like Frank and thereisnospoon, ensure that it lives on.

Based on polls directed at ideological self identification, it appears you are once again, incorrect.
Obviously with an amazingly small portion of the population identifying themselves as liberal, the Left has marginalized itself.
Liberalism is not popular. Nor is it constructive. Liberalism is merely tolerated.
Liberalism will probably be with us for quite some time, but it will never cover the majority of the population.
The problem with liberalism in this country is the the Left is dominated by it's most defiant and radical concerns.
On the other hand, conservatives have marginalized the far right wing.
The Bible thumpers, the Christian Rightists, the hate filled proselytizers wishing for Armageddon. These people do not matter to main stream conservatives.

Self-identification is not a reliable measure.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The tools are the far right, as usual. Yes, the rest of America looks at the tax cuts as "tax cuts for the rich by the GOP" while "let's screw everybody else every day in every way." You far right morons! What a hoot!!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You guys are missing the message: this is not about ideology merely about jobs. If the economy begins recovering, people will begin ignoring the far right again. Obama's move to the center was what the country needed: he outflanked the GOP on fed job freeze, and he forced the GOP to look absolutely "old style" with tax cuts for the rich. This is not the overwhelming victory you think: you are the Germans in the first week of the Battle of the Bulge.

Really? And you're a "Republican Centrist"?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The tools are the far right, as usual. Yes, the rest of America looks at the tax cuts as "tax cuts for the rich by the GOP" while "let's screw everybody else every day in every way." You far right morons! What a hoot!!

Yes and Obama's 10% unemployment and record debt, deficits and poverty are really helpful

 

[JakeStarkey]

Really. And you are a far right reactionary doink, Frank.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Really. And you are a far right reactionary doink, Frank.

So you're a Centrist who defends Liberalism?

 

[JakeStarkey]

I am a Republican who realizes that liberals are no more evil than conservatives. Both sides love their country.

Leftists are politically evil, as are far wackaloon reactionaries are politically evil. Neither group represents the best interests of America.

This may help ya, CF. Latest poll today has a straw match with Obama and Palin, and he beats her 56% to 35%. That is a far greater beating than he gave McCain.

You all over their in the corner need to grow up, Frank.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I am a Republican who realizes that liberals are no more evil than conservatives. Both sides love their country.

Leftists are politically evil, as are far wackaloon reactionaries are politically evil. Neither group represents the best interests of America.

This may help ya, CF. Latest poll today has a straw match with Obama and Palin, and he beats her 56% to 35%. That is a far greater beating than he gave McCain.

You all over their in the corner need to grow up, Frank.

Obama won't even get the Dem nomination so the poll is moot. But if they were to run head to head, Palin would win 55 or 56 of our 57 states.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are so wrong, as usual, CF, that I love reading you then laughing at your comments.

Yes, provided God does not strike us down or the country or Obama, yes, he has the nomination, and he beats the stuffing out of Palin.

Live with it, son. You will continue being on the outside looking in.

 

[sangha]

And in another sign of the End of Liberalism, Congress repealed Dont Ask, Don't Tell.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Lost the senate because of Angle and O'Donnell, looked like a fool because of Miller's thuggishness, lost the 23rd NY district (a seat we never should lose), and Obama just made points with millions of voters yesterday by getting them the unemployment extension while making the GOP look like misers for "the tax cuts for the rich" group.

Son, you are delusional.

Blew a huge majority in the house, lost a supermajority in the senate, lost a kennedy seat in kennedy country. wtf?

Forced through bills the last week that the GOP said were not going to be passed.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And passed the tax cuts without decreasing the spending.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

And passed the tax cuts without decreasing the spending.

Tax cuts?

Or is this as I suspect a "your taxes didn't go up, therefore they went down" post?

 

[sangha]

And passed the tax cuts without decreasing the spending.

Tax cuts?

Or is this as I suspect a "your taxes didn't go up, therefore they went down" post?

No, it isn't.

It's a "teabaggers got used" post

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Tea Party will continue to be used in the next session. Watch Boehner and McConnell do to round them up and head them in. Oh, that's right. They are not cattle, they are sheep.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

And passed the tax cuts without decreasing the spending.

Tax cuts?

Or is this as I suspect a "your taxes didn't go up, therefore they went down" post?

No, it isn't.

It's a "teabaggers got used" post

Then why do you say "passed the tax cuts"? And speaking of used... how's Gitmo, Iraq, Afghanistan, FISA, The PATRIOT Act, tax increases, etc. going?

No need to answer really.

 

[sangha]

Tax cuts?

Or is this as I suspect a "your taxes didn't go up, therefore they went down" post?

No, it isn't.

It's a "teabaggers got used" post

Then why do you say "passed the tax cuts"? And speaking of used... how's Gitmo, Iraq, Afghanistan, tax increases, etc. going?

No need to answer really.

Well, for one thing, I didn't say it. That was another poster.

For another thing, the other poster didn't say "passed the tax cuts". They said

passed the tax cuts without decreasing the spending.

Learn to read

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Wow. Obama got shell-shocked into sounding like Gordon Gekko. Of course, no one believes that he meant he admires US entrepreneurs, but still that he mouthed the words means he know Progressivism is a dead religion in America

 

[BlackAsCoal]

1. "…there has been a slow but steady decline of which liberals have been steadfastly oblivious. The heirs of the New Deal are down to around 20% of the electorate, according to recent Gallup polls. Conservatives account for 42% of the vote, and in the recent election the independents, the second most numerous group at 29% of the electorate, broke the conservatives' way. They were alarmed by the deficit.

2. Liberalism's decline might appear, at first glance, to have begun with the 1961 inauguration of President John F. Kennedy—when historians noted the first glimmerings of what was to become liberalism's distinctive trait, overreach. On the domestic side, the oratory set in motion President Lyndon Johnson's catastrophic War on Poverty.

a. JFK's stirring language represented a break with the Burkean understanding of President Dwight Eisenhower. Ike, whether he articulated it or not, wanted to put the Great Depression and the dangerous confrontations of the early Cold War period behind us. He wanted to return to normalcy.

3. Still, in tracing liberalism's decline, one cannot ignore an earlier event: the civil war that broke out in the aftermath of World War II. The conflict pitted what we might call the radicals led by Henry Wallace against the advocates of what Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. would call in his book, "The Vital Center," more practical liberals like Hubert Humphrey, Joseph L. Rauh and Walter Reuther. They were hard-headed and patriotic, and their desiderata were reasonable by comparison with the radicals' utopian ideas about the Soviet Union.

4. The practical liberals won in the late 1940s, but in 1972 civil war broke out anew. This time the radicals won. In the meantime, LBJ's Great Society caused even some liberals to warn against the "unintended consequences" of government programs. These were to be the first new recruits to modern conservatism. Jeane Kirkpatrick, Irving Kristol and, for a time, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, were in Kristol's words liberals "who were mugged by reality."

5. Conservatives have had Edmund Burke and the Founding Fathers as their cynosures. Sometimes they have provided discipline; sometimes conservatives have followed their own star. The problem for liberals is they have been denied a cynosure. Some had looked to the British Fabian Socialists and some to Karl Marx, but since the late 1940s liberals became coy about their intellectual mentors.

6. Conservatism has steadily spread through the country since its larval days in the 1950s, and the reason is that the vast majority of Americans favor free enterprise and personal liberty. Note the tea party movement. The Republicans just took the House of Representatives by over 60 seats and gained six seats in the Senate. The social democrat in the White House has been routed.

7. Over the past two years the Democrats showed their true colors. Faced with an entitlement crisis, they rang up trillion dollar deficits. We now face an entitlement crisis and a budget crisis—and liberals have no answer for it beyond tax and spend. They still have support in the media, but even here they are faced with opposition from Fox News, talk radio and the Internet.

a. As a political movement liberalism is dead. They do not have the numbers. They do not have the policies. They have 23 seats in the Senate to defend in 2012 (against the Republicans' 10) and Republican control of state houses and legislatures will give them even more seats in the future. Liberalism R.I.P. "

R. Emmett Tyrell Jr.: Liberalism—An Autopsy - WSJ.com
(emphasis mine)

Oh really ...

For Republicans, the Ice Age Cometh

Despairing Republican friends have been asking me what I think we should do to rebuild the GOP and begin our certain and inevitable comeback. My answer disappoints them: "Build an ark."

I say this because I've made a career out of counting votes, and the numbers tell a clear story; the demographics of America are changing in a way that is deadly for the Republican Party as it exists today. A GOP ice age is on the way.

more at link --
For Republicans, the Ice Age Cometh - TIME

Keyword here: DEMOGRAPHICS

Conservatism is almost completely dependent of white people .. whose share of the population is shrinking.

Perhaps you might want to do a bit of investigation into rapidly changing DEMOGRAPHICS before you start declaring victory.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The End of Liberalism....

You keep pitchin' 'em.....we'll keep KNOCKIN' 'EM OUTTA-THE-PARK!!!

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"A bill that would overhaul the nation's food-safety laws for the first time since the Great Depression came roaring back to life Sunday as Senate Democrats struck a deal with Republicans that helped overcome a technical mistake made three weeks ago and a filibuster threat that seemed likely to scuttle the legislation.

Without notice and in a matter of minutes Sunday evening, the Senate approved the bill by unanimous consent, sending it to the House, where passage is expected. President Obama has said he would sign the legislation, which would give the government far-reaching authority to set and enforce safety standards for farmers and food processors.

It was a last-minute change for the legislation, which seemed all but dead Sunday afternoon."