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Beans, rice, and peanut butter sandwiches will go a long way in feeding a family.
And you plan for nutrition, not what you'd LIKE to eat...that is a hard one for people who have always been able to satisfy any food craving but you have to do it. I get oatmeal or malt o meal, and by golly breakfast is either that or an egg, and if you don't like it, you don't eat. And when the budget is tight, we might have beans and corn bread 3 or 4 days out of a week...it's a complete protein that is nutritional...it's not haute cuisine, it's not rich and decadent, and the kids might not gorge on it..but they'll eat enough that they go to bed satisfied.
THAT'S the way people are supposed to eat. We aren't designed, and we most (aside from welfare recipients) can't afford lasagna every night and soda every day and deli soups and black forest ham and provolone sandwiches on bakery breads, with out of season avocados and melon salads. Those with limited money should absolutely be restraining themselves and making their food choices CAREFULLY...to save money and optimize on nutrition.
And you plan for nutrition, not what you'd LIKE to eat...that is a hard one for people who have always been able to satisfy any food craving but you have to do it. I get oatmeal or malt o meal, and by golly breakfast is either that or an egg, and if you don't like it, you don't eat. And when the budget is tight, we might have beans and corn bread 3 or 4 days out of a week...it's a complete protein that is nutritional...it's not haute cuisine, it's not rich and decadent, and the kids might not gorge on it..but they'll eat enough that they go to bed satisfied.
THAT'S the way people are supposed to eat. We aren't designed, and we most (aside from welfare recipients) can't afford lasagna every night and soda every day and deli soups and black forest ham and provolone sandwiches on bakery breads, with out of season avocados and melon salads. Those with limited money should absolutely be restraining themselves and making their food choices CAREFULLY...to save money and optimize on nutrition.
Actually, nothing you've listed couldn't be included in reasonable low cost meal planning for a month's time.
Ground beef at less than $3.00 lb
Pasta: lasagna and spaghetti: Less than $1.50, more likely .99 a lb.
Now lets add for soup: more meatballs, say 2#. More pasta, elbows or ties. .99 a lb
fresh spinach $1.49
Stoplight peppers, bulk or individual best deal: $1.99 lb
garlic, oregano, dried peppers.
Left over meatball and stock:
Add more vegetable or meat stock, spinach or kale, sliced squash, tomatoes, corn, meat. Hot peppers. boil down.
Serve with strips of tortillia and guacamole/sour cream to balance heat.
Bread is getting more and more expensive too...and the cheap bread is so awful and we go through it so fast, I bake a lot of the bread that we consume. I bake at least once a week, and often more. It doesn't last more than a day or so, but it makes a difference.
Fox is having a program about food stamps tonight at ten. There will be a surfer dude on the program that will make working people mad.
Inspired by Pete's asinine rant on the poor, here is the no-spin facts on SNAP (food stamps). Maybe now you will stop listening to the bullshit propaganda that comes from the Republican party. I put what I consider to be the most important facts in bold, but I do encourage you to read all of it.
SNAP is targeted at the most vulnerable.
76% of SNAP households included a child, an elderly person, or a disabled person. These vulnerable households receive 83% of all SNAP benefits.
SNAP eligibility is limited to households with gross income of no more than 130% of the federal poverty guideline, but the majority of households have income well below the maximum: 83% of SNAP households have gross income at or below 100% of the poverty guideline ($19,530 for a family of 3 in 2013), and these households receive about 91% of all benefits. 61% of SNAP households have gross income at or below 75% of the poverty guideline ($14,648 for a family of 3 in 2013).[ii]
The average SNAP household has a gross monthly income of $744; net monthly income of $338 after the standard deduction and, for certain households, deductions for child care, medical expenses, and shelter costs; and countable resources of $331, such as a bank account.[iii]
SNAP is responsive to changes in need, providing needed food assistance as families fall into economic hardship and then transitioning away as their financial situation stabilizes.
SNAP participation historically follows unemployment with a slight lag. SNAP participation grew during the recession, responding quickly and effectively to increased need. As the number of unemployed people increased by 94% from 2007 to 2011, SNAP responded with a 70% increase in participation over the same period. [iv]
As the economy recovers and people go back to work, SNAP participation and program costs, too, can be expected to decline. Unemployment has begun to slowly fall, and SNAP participation growth has flattened out. The Congressional Budget Office projects SNAP participation to begin declining in 2015, with both unemployment and SNAP participation returning to near pre-recession levels by 2022.[v]
SNAP has a strong record of program integrity.
SNAP error rates declined by 57% since FY2000, from 8.91% in FY2000 to a record low of 3.80% in FY2011.[vi] The accuracy rate of 96.2% (FY2011) is an all-time program high and is considerably higher than other major benefit programs, for example Medicare fee-for-service (91.5%) or Medicare Advantage Part C (88.6%). [vii]
Two-thirds of all SNAP payment errors are a result of caseworker error. Nearly one-fifth are underpayments, which occur when eligible participants receive less in benefits than they are eligible to receive.[viii]
The national rate of food stamp trafficking declined from about 3.8 cents per dollar of benefits redeemed in 1993 to about 1.0 cent per dollar during the years 2006 to 2008.[ix] As you may have read in local news, USDA is aggressively fighting trafficking, but while there are individual cases of program abuse, for every one instance of fraud, there are hundreds of stories of heartbreaking need.
The need for food assistance is already greater than SNAP can fill.
SNAP benefits dont last most participants the whole month. 90% of SNAP benefits are redeemed by the third week of the month, and 58% of food bank clients currently receiving SNAP benefits turn to food banks for assistance at least 6 months out of the year.[x]
The average monthly SNAP benefit per person is $133.85, or less than $1.50 per person, per meal. [xi]
Only 55% of food insecure individuals are income-eligible for SNAP, and 29% are not income-eligible for any federal food assistance.[xii]
Categorical Eligibility
Categorical eligibility allows many people to automatically enroll in SNAP who wouldnt otherwise qualify for the program.
Categorical eligibility does not allow households to enroll automatically; they must still apply through the regular SNAP application process, which has rigorous procedures for documenting applicants income, citizenship, work status, and other circumstances.
Categorical eligibility allows states the option of aligning SNAP eligibility rules for gross income and asset limits with TANF to reduce administrative costs and simplify the eligibility determination process. While three-fourths of SNAP households were categorically eligible, almost all would also have been eligible for SNAP under standard rules.[xiii]
While a small number of households would not have met gross income and asset eligibility rules without categorical eligibility, SNAP families are still among the poorest households:
The average SNAP household has a gross monthly income of $744 and net monthly income of $338.[xiv]
SNAP rules limit eligibility to households with gross income under 130% of poverty and net income at or below 100% of poverty. While categorical eligibility allows states to set a higher gross income limit, only 1.5% of SNAP households in 2010 had monthly net income above 150% of the poverty line, so the policy has not made SNAP available to large numbers of households with incomes above the federal gross income limit of 130% of poverty.[xv]
SNAP rules limit eligibility to households with assets of no more than $2000 ($3250 for households with a senior or disabled member). The average SNAP household still has assets of only $331.[xvi] Additionally, the SNAP asset limit of $2,000 has not been adjusted for inflation in 25 years and has fallen by 48% in real terms since 1986.[xvii]
Categorical eligibility has dramatically increased program participation.
The dramatic increase in SNAP participation and costs is a result of the recession, not categorical eligibility. Our nation has seen the highest unemployment rates in nearly 30 years.
The dramatic increase in SNAP participation and costs is a result of the recession, not categorical eligibility. Our nation has seen the highest unemployment rates in nearly 30 years.
SNAP participation historically follows unemployment with a slight lag. SNAP participation grew during the recession, responding quickly and effectively to increased need. As the number of unemployed people increased by 94% from 2007 to 2011, SNAP responded with a 70% increase in participation over the same period. [xviii]
As the economy recovers and people go back to work, SNAP participation and program costs, too, can be expected to decline. Unemployment has begun to slowly fall, and SNAP participation growth has flattened out. The Congressional Budget Office projects SNAP participation to begin declining in 2015, with both unemployment and SNAP participation returning to near pre-recession levels by 2022.[xix]
Eliminating categorical eligibility would significantly reduce costs.
Eliminating categorical eligibility would achieve savings by causing about 2-3 million low-income people currently enrolled in SNAP to lose their benefits.[xx] Many more families newly applying for assistance would have their benefit issuance delayed because of the increased complexity of applying and additional processing time required. This human cost is too high a price to pay with so many families struggling to get by in this economy.
In addition to the loss of needed food assistance for struggling families, this savings would come at the expense of increased administrative costs. Eliminating the streamlined application process that categorical eligibility allows would require states to allocate staff time to duplicate enrollment procedures and incur the cost of modifying their computer systems, reprinting applications and manuals, and retraining staff.
Program Growth
Generous eligibility rules and program fraud and abuse have caused participation in SNAP to balloon, sharply driving up the cost of the program when the nation can least afford it.
The dramatic increase in SNAP participation and costs is a result of the recession, not categorical eligibility. Our nation has seen the highest unemployment rates in nearly 30 years.
SNAP participation historically follows unemployment with a slight lag. SNAP participation grew during the recession, responding quickly and effectively to increased need. As the number of unemployed people increased by 94% from 2007 to 2011, SNAP responded with a 70% increase in participation over the same period. [xxi]
As the economy recovers and people go back to work, SNAP participation and program costs, too, can be expected to decline. Unemployment has begun to slowly fall, and SNAP participation growth has flattened out. The Congressional Budget Office projects SNAP participation to begin declining in 2015, with both unemployment and SNAP participation returning to near pre-recession levels by 2022.[xxii]
SNAP (Food Stamps): Facts, Myths and Realities
(Their sources are straight from government data)
And you plan for nutrition, not what you'd LIKE to eat...that is a hard one for people who have always been able to satisfy any food craving but you have to do it. I get oatmeal or malt o meal, and by golly breakfast is either that or an egg, and if you don't like it, you don't eat. And when the budget is tight, we might have beans and corn bread 3 or 4 days out of a week...it's a complete protein that is nutritional...it's not haute cuisine, it's not rich and decadent, and the kids might not gorge on it..but they'll eat enough that they go to bed satisfied.
THAT'S the way people are supposed to eat. We aren't designed, and we most (aside from welfare recipients) can't afford lasagna every night and soda every day and deli soups and black forest ham and provolone sandwiches on bakery breads, with out of season avocados and melon salads. Those with limited money should absolutely be restraining themselves and making their food choices CAREFULLY...to save money and optimize on nutrition.
Actually, nothing you've listed couldn't be included in reasonable low cost meal planning for a month's time.
Ground beef at less than $3.00 lb
Pasta: lasagna and spaghetti: Less than $1.50, more likely .99 a lb.
Now lets add for soup: more meatballs, say 2#. More pasta, elbows or ties. .99 a lb
fresh spinach $1.49
Stoplight peppers, bulk or individual best deal: $1.99 lb
garlic, oregano, dried peppers.
Left over meatball and stock:
Add more vegetable or meat stock, spinach or kale, sliced squash, tomatoes, corn, meat. Hot peppers. boil down.
Serve with strips of tortillia and guacamole/sour cream to balance heat.
And you plan for nutrition, not what you'd LIKE to eat...that is a hard one for people who have always been able to satisfy any food craving but you have to do it. I get oatmeal or malt o meal, and by golly breakfast is either that or an egg, and if you don't like it, you don't eat. And when the budget is tight, we might have beans and corn bread 3 or 4 days out of a week...it's a complete protein that is nutritional...it's not haute cuisine, it's not rich and decadent, and the kids might not gorge on it..but they'll eat enough that they go to bed satisfied.
THAT'S the way people are supposed to eat. We aren't designed, and we most (aside from welfare recipients) can't afford lasagna every night and soda every day and deli soups and black forest ham and provolone sandwiches on bakery breads, with out of season avocados and melon salads. Those with limited money should absolutely be restraining themselves and making their food choices CAREFULLY...to save money and optimize on nutrition.
Actually, nothing you've listed couldn't be included in reasonable low cost meal planning for a month's time.
Ground beef at less than $3.00 lb
Pasta: lasagna and spaghetti: Less than $1.50, more likely .99 a lb.
Now lets add for soup: more meatballs, say 2#. More pasta, elbows or ties. .99 a lb
fresh spinach $1.49
Stoplight peppers, bulk or individual best deal: $1.99 lb
garlic, oregano, dried peppers.
Left over meatball and stock:
Add more vegetable or meat stock, spinach or kale, sliced squash, tomatoes, corn, meat. Hot peppers. boil down.
Serve with strips of tortillia and guacamole/sour cream to balance heat.
We definitely have more food available to us than we know what to do with...but my point is that we don't have to *feast* 24/7. Yes if you plan ahead of time, you can certainly enjoy lasagna...but that doesn't mean if you crave it right now, you have a right to it just because you want it, and someone else should foot the bill if you can't...it's sort of a fine point but do you see what I'm getting at? I feed my kids well on a really limited budget...but we don't act on every little food whim, and when I'm tired, strapped for time and money' tight, our meals are verrry simple. And nobody should feel badly about that! It's the way humans have always eaten...you subsist on a few staples, and the elaborate stuff is for HOLIDAYS. I swear I can remember the first time I had pizza at a pizza place...I was a teenager! We had fast food MAYBE once every two months, and we drove 60 miles to get it, lol. Spaghetti was a "special" meal in our house...during the week we ate homemade stew, beans, chili, soups, roasts and fried potatoes, fried potatoes, boiled potatoes and fried potatoes, lol. And we never ever went hungry, and we didn't have rickets or scurvy, lol. Sometimes dinner was corn meal mush (us and the dogs, haha) but that was the way it was, and we never considered ourselves *hungry*. By today's standards, used to terrify everybody into over funding welfare, we were starving. I had half a peanut butter sandwich and a banana every single day for lunch (for years)...we didn't have free lunches...our school didn't have a cafeteria, and nobody EVER considered us "hungry".
If I had no food in the house when my kids were little and that would be a family of 5 my neighbors, my family and my friends would be making sure my family is not hungry.
That is what a community is supposed to do.
So why are we not doing that and relying almost solely on government to provide food and give the community and families a free pass on what they are supposed to do?
That is the real problem with Americans today, the majority of them.
Fuck doing any charitable work, helping friends and family and community when they are in need, fuck them, I do not have time for them.
I want government to take care of them and I will pay a little extra in taxes so I do not have to be inconvenienced by the lower classes.
That is what they are saying.