The FACTS on Food Stamps

[Darkwind]

Lol you crack me up.

I never said anything about cons wanting to end it, nor did I say anything about "compassion".

Explain to me how i cherry picked data. You haven't done that.

There are controls on this program. Just because the system isn't perfect, it doesn't mean it needs to be reformed. It is within the best interests of the government to keep fraud from happening.

it is the very reason that it DOES need to be reformed.

Your entire purpose of starting this thread is because someone pissed you off about food stamps and wanting to end it. I read the thread you mentions and didn't comment because I didn't agree with the person who ranted against food stamps. I don't bother to post in every thread, after all.....

Be that as it may....

Lets start a real conversation on food stamps and government aid to the poor.

I like to start at the basics......That means that you prioritize those things that will kill you the quickest if you don't have them. In the order you die the fastest is:

Air
Water


Without either, you die in minutes and days.

Food.

Without food, you die in a month...maybe two.

So, which foods will keep a person alive.

Remember, this is a discussion not on what people like to eat. But on what will keep them alive until they can fend for themselves.

So, what do you consider a necessity and what do you think is a luxury?

Why is my personal opinion on what is a necessity and what is a luxury item relevant to the statistical evidence about SNAP?

Because your statistical nonsense is not prevalent attitude.

Social change and public policy usually come from reasoned argument, where people acknowledge ALL the information, not just the information that suits their attitude.

Political ideology is based in prevalent attitude toward life.

If we begin a conversation on a subject and eliminate the jargon, talking points, emotional investment in political party and ask the simple questions first, then real reform can begin to take place.

Not so hard to do if someone has real compassion and an open mind.

 

[Papageorgio]

Billy had his ass kicked so hard, he's going to be able to whistle through his hemorrhoids .

You and i both know that isn't true.

Not my fault you can't see how bad you have been kicked on this thread.

 

[Billy000]

in my opinion...yes, the VAST majority are abusing what the system is for...

poor billy wont even answer the simple questions about the facts... that should indicate something right there.

ill try the coffee question on you since billy is scared to answer

can you or can you not buy expensive coffee with snap?

How many times are you going to bring up stuff one can buy with food stamps? Let me guess - you found an article about someone buying expensive coffee with SNAP? The stupidity of a person using their benefits irresponsibly is completley insignificant. People are adults. If that person wants to starve, then so be it. That person is not representive of all SNAP recipients.

If they are using public assistance to buy coffee, gas station food, steak, lobster, and fast food they don't need public assistance.

That's the part you don't seem to get.

Define "they" for me. Just how many recipients are you suggesting do this? Because if it isn't the average person or the majority, then it is insignificant.

 

[syrenn]

it is the very reason that it DOES need to be reformed.

Your entire purpose of starting this thread is because someone pissed you off about food stamps and wanting to end it. I read the thread you mentions and didn't comment because I didn't agree with the person who ranted against food stamps. I don't bother to post in every thread, after all.....

Be that as it may....

Lets start a real conversation on food stamps and government aid to the poor.

I like to start at the basics......That means that you prioritize those things that will kill you the quickest if you don't have them. In the order you die the fastest is:

Air
Water


Without either, you die in minutes and days.

Food.

Without food, you die in a month...maybe two.

So, which foods will keep a person alive.

Remember, this is a discussion not on what people like to eat. But on what will keep them alive until they can fend for themselves.

So, what do you consider a necessity and what do you think is a luxury?

Why is my personal opinion on what is a necessity and what is a luxury item relevant to the statistical evidence about SNAP?

Because your statistical nonsense is not prevalent attitude.

Social change and public policy usually come from reasoned argument, where people acknowledge ALL the information, not just the information that suits their attitude.

Political ideology is based in prevalent attitude toward life.

If we begin a conversation on a subject and eliminate the jargon, talking points, emotional investment in political party and ask the simple questions first, then real reform can begin to take place.

Not so hard to do if someone has real compassion and an open mind.

you boys need to start quoting my posts to him.....

i am asking simple question....and he cant do it.

 

[Darkwind]

lol... he wont answer me... what makes you think he will answer you on all of that?

Mostly so I can say to Myself, "I tried to have a reasoned conversation."

Then I'll likely put him on ignore where he can join the who's who of progressive morons I have there.

i tried to have a reasoned conversation with him too..... simple questions about what was and was not allowed.... and he melted down.

so much for wanting to talk about facts and food stamps.

Well, I didn't really expect this thread to go anywhere. I'm really just bored and procrastinating on doing some web design. lol

 

[asterism]

The system is soooooo easily gamed.

TheDC Investigation: What I was able to buy with my food stamps | The Daily Caller

This is the problem, and it could be fixed. Why don't progressives want that?

 

[syrenn]

Mostly so I can say to Myself, "I tried to have a reasoned conversation."

Then I'll likely put him on ignore where he can join the who's who of progressive morons I have there.

i tried to have a reasoned conversation with him too..... simple questions about what was and was not allowed.... and he melted down.

so much for wanting to talk about facts and food stamps.

Well, I didn't really expect this thread to go anywhere. I'm really just bored and procrastinating on doing some web design. lol

it is going about how i expected too..... as soon as you ask some easy question about the facts..... their argument is over, done, finished....

 

[Billy000]

it is the very reason that it DOES need to be reformed.

Your entire purpose of starting this thread is because someone pissed you off about food stamps and wanting to end it. I read the thread you mentions and didn't comment because I didn't agree with the person who ranted against food stamps. I don't bother to post in every thread, after all.....

Be that as it may....

Lets start a real conversation on food stamps and government aid to the poor.

I like to start at the basics......That means that you prioritize those things that will kill you the quickest if you don't have them. In the order you die the fastest is:

Air
Water


Without either, you die in minutes and days.

Food.

Without food, you die in a month...maybe two.

So, which foods will keep a person alive.

Remember, this is a discussion not on what people like to eat. But on what will keep them alive until they can fend for themselves.

So, what do you consider a necessity and what do you think is a luxury?

Why is my personal opinion on what is a necessity and what is a luxury item relevant to the statistical evidence about SNAP?

Because your statistical nonsense is not prevalent attitude.

Social change and public policy usually come from reasoned argument, where people acknowledge ALL the information, not just the information that suits their attitude.

Political ideology is based in prevalent attitude toward life.

If we begin a conversation on a subject and eliminate the jargon, talking points, emotional investment in political party and ask the simple questions first, then real reform can begin to take place.

Not so hard to do if someone has real compassion and an open mind.

You are just rambling at this point. You just can't handle the cognitive dissonance can you? SNAP just isn't what you thought it was.

You'll get over it.

 

[Darkwind]

Why is my personal opinion on what is a necessity and what is a luxury item relevant to the statistical evidence about SNAP?

Because your statistical nonsense is not prevalent attitude.

Social change and public policy usually come from reasoned argument, where people acknowledge ALL the information, not just the information that suits their attitude.

Political ideology is based in prevalent attitude toward life.

If we begin a conversation on a subject and eliminate the jargon, talking points, emotional investment in political party and ask the simple questions first, then real reform can begin to take place.

Not so hard to do if someone has real compassion and an open mind.

You are just rambling at this point. You just can't handle the cognitive dissonance can you? SNAP just isn't what you thought it was.

You'll get over it.

Denial eh?

I understand exactly what SNAP is. I also understand how it is misused and how it is coupled with other government programs that make the abuse even easier.

Guess I will have to regulate you to persona non-Grata after all.

 

[Immanuel]

you were one of the few then who did not abuse the system. You are the type of person it is there for to help...

but... if you wanted that lobster... you could have bought it.

you cant deny that the system is rife with entailment whores who are in it for ever cent they can scam out of it. .

Few?

Come on is it fair to say the vast majority of recipients are abusing the system? Wouldn't't it be more accurate to turn that around and say most recipients have a legitimate need, but there is a relatively small percentage of people who abuse it?

Immie

in my opinion...yes, the VAST majority are abusing what the system is for...

poor billy wont even answer the simple questions about the facts... that should indicate something right there.

ill try the coffee question on you since billy is scared to answer

can you or can you not buy expensive coffee with snap?

I don't know the answer to that,but my guess is yes you can.

That doesn't imply most do.

Immie

 

[Duped]

Food stamps are suppose to be part of a safety net, not a crutch. They are traded for drugs, and every thing else. The system needs harsh reform like the rest of government.

 

[Darkwind]

Few?

Come on is it fair to say the vast majority of recipients are abusing the system? Wouldn't't it be more accurate to turn that around and say most recipients have a legitimate need, but there is a relatively small percentage of people who abuse it?

Immie

in my opinion...yes, the VAST majority are abusing what the system is for...

poor billy wont even answer the simple questions about the facts... that should indicate something right there.

ill try the coffee question on you since billy is scared to answer

can you or can you not buy expensive coffee with snap?

I don't know the answer to that,but my guess is yes you can.

That doesn't imply most do.

Immie

No, but it does imply that there are deliberate loopholes in the system and it isn't just the general population that see it.

Our elected crooks see it and do nothing out of either expediency or a desire to get the recipients votes.

I'm thinking the latter.

 

[syrenn]

Few?

Come on is it fair to say the vast majority of recipients are abusing the system? Wouldn't't it be more accurate to turn that around and say most recipients have a legitimate need, but there is a relatively small percentage of people who abuse it?

Immie

in my opinion...yes, the VAST majority are abusing what the system is for...

poor billy wont even answer the simple questions about the facts... that should indicate something right there.

ill try the coffee question on you since billy is scared to answer

can you or can you not buy expensive coffee with snap?

I don't know the answer to that,but my guess is yes you can.

That doesn't imply most do.

Immie

no lets see if [MENTION=33739]Billy000[/MENTION] has the integrity to answer the same question.

 

[Immanuel]

you were one of the few then who did not abuse the system. You are the type of person it is there for to help...

but... if you wanted that lobster... you could have bought it.

you cant deny that the system is rife with entailment whores who are in it for ever cent they can scam out of it. .

Few?

Come on is it fair to say the vast majority of recipients are abusing the system? Wouldn't't it be more accurate to turn that around and say most recipients have a legitimate need, but there is a relatively small percentage of people who abuse it?

Immie

Why are food stamps even allowed in fast food restaurants? Why are they even given to people who don't need them? Why is the system so easily gamed like allowing use at gas stations that charge $1 for a banana when they are 50¢ per pound at the grocery store across the street?

These problems could all very easily go away, if not for the incompetence, laziness, and fraud built into the program.

Why are you even asking me that? Where did I suggest they could or should be able to?

I asked two people from different sides of the arguments in this thread questions. I never gave my opinion.

Why am I being asked to defend one side, now? I mean I will if asked, but I didn't take a stand either way.

Immie

 

[Darkwind]

come on @Billy000. This is your thread about facts.....

coffee.... can you buy expensive coffee with food stamps?

So, Billy.....why can't you answer this?

 

[syrenn]

in my opinion...yes, the VAST majority are abusing what the system is for...

poor billy wont even answer the simple questions about the facts... that should indicate something right there.

ill try the coffee question on you since billy is scared to answer

can you or can you not buy expensive coffee with snap?

I don't know the answer to that,but my guess is yes you can.

That doesn't imply most do.

Immie

No, but it does imply that there are deliberate loopholes in the system and it isn't just the general population that see it.

Our elected crooks see it and do nothing out of either expediency or a desire to get the recipients votes.

I'm thinking the latter.

ill get to the point about the coffee in a moment here....ill give him a few more to answer.

 

[Billy000]

The system is soooooo easily gamed.

TheDC Investigation: What I was able to buy with my food stamps | The Daily Caller

This is the problem, and it could be fixed. Why don't progressives want that?

The fix is already in place. The average income per household who receives SNAP is $733 per MONTH. The average recipient receives $133 per month, which is less than $1.25 per meal. That is what keeps the average recipient from abusing it.

Get it? Got it? Good.

 

[Darkwind]

I don't know the answer to that,but my guess is yes you can.

That doesn't imply most do.

Immie

No, but it does imply that there are deliberate loopholes in the system and it isn't just the general population that see it.

Our elected crooks see it and do nothing out of either expediency or a desire to get the recipients votes.

I'm thinking the latter.

ill get to the point about the coffee in a moment here....ill give him a few more to answer.

I'm looking forward to it. The design work can wait. hehe

 

[nitroz]

Let's put it another way. 1 out of 6 people face hunger. America is not as wealthy as people would like to believe.

America is very wealthy, but it's controlled.
Why do you think big businesses, wall street, people who have money, etc are against giving people liveable wages?



Also, SNAP can be spent on junk food. I work wholesale/retail and I see it alot.
SNAP needs to be regulated in terms of what you can get with it.

 

[Immanuel]

Few?

Come on is it fair to say the vast majority of recipients are abusing the system? Wouldn't't it be more accurate to turn that around and say most recipients have a legitimate need, but there is a relatively small percentage of people who abuse it?

Immie

in my opinion...yes, the VAST majority are abusing what the system is for...

poor billy wont even answer the simple questions about the facts... that should indicate something right there.

ill try the coffee question on you since billy is scared to answer

can you or can you not buy expensive coffee with snap?

How many times are you going to bring up stuff one can buy with food stamps? Let me guess - you found an article about someone buying expensive coffee with SNAP? The stupidity of a person using their benefits irresponsibly is completley insignificant. People are adults. If that person wants to starve, then so be it. That person is not representive of all SNAP recipients.

Why don't you just answer the question so the discussion can move on? It seems like you are afraid of the answer. It should be pretty simple: yes, no or I don't know.

Immie