The Forgotten Part Of Normandy

[francoHFW]

It seems you are claiming more expertise than Eisenhower, huh?

Eisenhower's assessment at the time?

....until FDR bribed him with another star, Eisenhower disagreed with the Stalin/FDR plan to attack from the far West, Normandy.

"Italy was the correct place in which to deploy our main forces and the objective should be the Valle of the PO.In no other area could we so well threaten the whole German structure including France, the Balkans and the Reich itself. Here also our air would becloser to vital objectives in Germany."
FRUS: The conferences at Cairo and Tehran, 1943, p.359-361
That report was published in "Foreign Relations of the United States" in 1961
Eisenhower's statement was to an audience in November 26, 1943....



Franklin Roosevelt and his Democrats......the greatest friend the Bolsheviks had........and have.

Just ask Hillary were she got that dossier.

And Anne Coulter is an idiot...And I think Ike liked being based in Algeria with his driver...I kid...

 

[francoHFW]

This is what happens when your restrict your pronouncements to what the party tells you to say:

Wrong again.


Unconditional surrender was the demand by FDR's boss, Stalin.

As always, I will document what I say, and you will remain our best source of greenhouse gases.



While Hitler was useful to Stalin early on, the endgame required that his brand of socialism, national socialism....based on nationalism and/or race...had to be removed as an impediment to Stalin's conquest of Europe, and then further.
Stalin's policy was simple: the result of the war had to leave Germany a smoldering wreckage, with no ability to resist Stalin's forces. This was the basis of the Morgenthau Plan.


c. "Archival evidence indicates that the Soviet’s wanted the war to continue long enough for them to conquer Eastern Europe and in order for Germany to be utterly destroyed or “pastoralized” which was called for in the Morgenthau Plan which was actually written by Soviet spy Harry Dexter White. The Soviets were also clamoring for a “second front” in France in order to deflect the allies out of Italy and the Balkans which was too close to Russia."
Chuck Morse Speaks: The Canaris Cover-up


Enter Roosevelt, stage Left.

The plan for 'unconditional surrender' began in the Kremlin, was foisted on to the Roosevelt administration via Stalin's spies working for Roosevelt.​

When Stalin saw a possibility of German surrender before they were emasculated....he formed the Morgenthau Plan.​

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Here's the timeline:​

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America entered WWII very late in 1941....actually, 1942.​

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F.W. Winterbotham was chief of air intelligence for Britain's MI6, and wrote in his memoir that he had approved a plan sent by Wilhelm Canaris, head of German military intelligence, to overthrow Hitler and surrender to the Allies, in 1942. ("Secret and Personal," by F.W. Winterbotham )​

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Imagine....the war could have been ended in '42-'43.​

Stalin wouldn't allow it.​

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Harry Hopkins, Stalin's spy who actually lived in the White House gave a speech on June 22, 1942, at the Russia Aid Rally, Madison Square Garden, where he said "And his cities, one by one, will be destroyed by Allied air forces." Ottawa Citizen - Google News Archive Search​

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Hopkins was telegraphing Stalin's demands that Germany be pulverized, pastoralized, de-industrialized.....just after anti-Nazi/anti-communist German resistance have made contact with the Allies to talk surrender.​

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"It was at about the time of this speech that unconditional surrender was being, in effect, rammed through US government channels (May 1942), just as the big press for Stalin's 'second front' was also under way." Diana West, "American Betrayal," p. 304​

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Lots of facts there for the Roosevelt groupies to try an dispute.​

Bet they can't.​

Time for you to stop being shackled to the propaganda.

You're the one parotting propaganda lol, I have a Masters in History based on this stuff, with a French twist...Vive la France! lol

 

[francoHFW]

Roosevelt: "I would rather lose New Zealand, Australia or anything else than have the Russian front collapse."​

Robert Dallek, "Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy, 1932-1945," p. 338.​

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Yup!​

'Russia Uber Alles'​

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What nation did Roosevelt represent, again?​

The Allies. Obviously Russia was the most important front. 80% of German effort.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You're the one parotting propaganda lol, I have a Masters in History based on this stuff, with a French twist...Vive la France! lol

No you don't.

You simply followed the weaklings who chose their careers, status, over truth.

I post the truth.....sourced, linked, documented.


You simply bow the head, best the neck and the knee to the totalitarians......the Democrats, who stand for this:


now running on full-blown anti-white racism,

socialism,

infanticide,

opposition to free speech,

standing with criminals and felons rather than law-abiding citizens

substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry,

support for rioters, arsonists, murderers, and anarchists,

accepting payment from Communist China for future considerations,

and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Allies. Obviously Russia was the most important front. 80% of German effort.

Who thought that Germany would ever defeat Russia?

 

[francoHFW]

Who thought that Germany would ever defeat Russia?

EVERYONE in 1941...

 

[francoHFW]

No you don't.

You simply followed the weaklings who chose their careers, status, over truth.

I post the truth.....sourced, linked, documented.


You simply bow the head, best the neck and the knee to the totalitarians......the Democrats, who stand for this:


now running on full-blown anti-white racism,

socialism,

infanticide,

opposition to free speech,

standing with criminals and felons rather than law-abiding citizens

substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry,

support for rioters, arsonists, murderers, and anarchists,

accepting payment from Communist China for future considerations,

and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Another giant conspiracy? You are out of your mind....Arrest the criminals, they aren't Dems duh....

 

[PoliticalChic]

EVERYONE in 1941...

Hard to believe how truly stupid you are.



I destroy......totally obliterate.....every stupid, lying post you author......and this one won't be any different.



No, Germany would not have conquered the USSR.

Hitler knew that....and so must have Roosevelt.

Here are the facts:
.. when Operation Barbarossa started on June 22, 1941, the available (German) supplies of fuel, tires, spare parts etc., were only good enough for about two months.....

Stalin, in fact, had been supplying resources to Hitler.

The Wehrmacht continued to advance, albeit very slowly, and by mid-November some units found themselves at only 30 kilometers from the capital. But the troops were now totally exhausted, and running out of supplies. Their commanders knew that it was simply impossible to take Moscow.
Hitler s Failed Blitzkrieg against the Soviet Union. The Battle of Moscow and Stalingrad Turning Point of World War II Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization
72 Years Ago, December 1941: Turning Point of World War II
'The Victory of the Red Army in front of Moscow was a Major Break'…
by Jacques Pauwels



By attacking in June, Hitler had planned to avoid Russia's three greatest generals....December, January, and February.
He didn't.


So....once one recognizes that Stalin was going to be the winner.....
....why did FDR send him supplies that the Allies could have used?

The schools hide the truth to shield FDR from richly deserved contumely.









Same reason so many universities eschew teaching the French Revolution....students might recognize that it gave birth to every totalitarian revolution in modern times.





"....realistically middle sized Germany could not defeat the much larger Ussr in the long term. Germany would have eventually surrendered to the western allies to prevent total occupation by the USSR ..."
So did the Red Army really singlehandedly defeat the Third Reich Stuff I Done Wrote - The Michael A. Charles Online Presence (comment)



"Between June 22, 1941, and January 31, 1942, the Germans had lost 6,000 airplanes and more than 3,200 tanks and similar vehicles; and no less than 918,000 men had been killed, wounded, or gone missing in action, amounting to 28.7 percent of the average strength of the army, namely, 3,2 million men.[33]

(In the Soviet Union, Germany would lose no less than 10 million of its total 13.5 million men killed, wounded, or taken prisoner during the entire war; and the Red Army would end up claiming credit for 90 per cent of all Germans killed in the Second World War.)
Clive Ponting, 'Armageddon: The Second World War,' p. 130; Stephen E. Ambrose 'Americans at War,' p. 72. ”





Write soon, y'hear!!!


I enjoy making ignorance painful.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Another giant conspiracy? You are out of your mind....Arrest the criminals, they aren't Dems duh....

Every professor, author, 'historian'.....fears authoring anything that contradicts the Liberal orthodoxy.
Their careers and status would be in jeopardy.

And you swallow every lie because you are too lazy and too stupid to do your own research.



In an insightful analysis, John A. Garraty compared Roosevelt’s New Deal with aspects of the Third Reich: a strong leader; an ideology stressing the nation, the people and the land; state control of economic and social affairs; and the quality and quantity of government propaganda. Garraty, “The New Deal, National Socialism, and the Great Depression,” American Historical Review, vol. 78 (1973) p. 907ff.

1. Garraty reminds that to compare is not the same as to equate. Yet, many still find Garraty’s analysis too hot to handle.

 

[shoshi]

Did not Eisenhauer plan the Normandy invasion? That made him popular enough to be elected president.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Did not Eisenhauer plan the Normandy invasion? That made him popular enough to be elected president.

Wrong on both counts.

 

[DudleySmith]

FDR STOLE MY LUNCH MONEY!!!

 

[Stryder50]

Who thought that Germany would ever defeat Russia?

Hitler and some of the German general staff.
After going through Poland and France like a hot knife thru butter, they thought they had a winning formula in blitzkrieg.

 

[Stryder50]

And Anne Coulter is an idiot...And I think Ike liked being based in Algeria with his driver...I kid...

Anne Coulter is a Conservative whom backs up what she writes with data and documentation. She reveals the shams and scams of pseudo-liberals and Leftists so of course anyone of that way of thinking will insult her and think she is an "idiot".

 

[Stryder50]

A couple posts I made in this similar, related thread will help explain some of the topic of this thread;
The marines at Normandy

 

[francoHFW]

Anne Coulter is a Conservative whom backs up what she writes with data and documentation. She reveals the shams and scams of pseudo-liberals and Leftists so of course anyone of that way of thinking will insult her and think she is an "idiot".

Well I guess she is a rhino now since she doesn't like trump, so maybe she'll stop parroting absolute idiocy these days. Good for her.

 

[francoHFW]

Every professor, author, 'historian'.....fears authoring anything that contradicts the Liberal orthodoxy.
Their careers and status would be in jeopardy.

And you swallow every lie because you are too lazy and too stupid to do your own research.



In an insightful analysis, John A. Garraty compared Roosevelt’s New Deal with aspects of the Third Reich: a strong leader; an ideology stressing the nation, the people and the land; state control of economic and social affairs; and the quality and quantity of government propaganda. Garraty, “The New Deal, National Socialism, and the Great Depression,” American Historical Review, vol. 78 (1973) p. 907ff.

1. Garraty reminds that to compare is not the same as to equate. Yet, ma until you're ready ny still find Garraty’s analysis too hot to handle.

Mainly because he was elected to do what he did, it is always tough for the Democrats when they get in to fix all the crap that stupid greedy lying Republicans have caused.... They are always good for a corrupt bubble and bust every damn time. Eisenhower was a Democrat as much as he was a republican.... Democracy is the difference. Democracy is good, what you want is crap, BFM.

 

[Moonglow]

1. That was that there didn't have to be a Normandy. It was at the insistence of Joseph Stalin, and Franklin Roosevelt's constant grabbing-the-ankles, that there was a Normandy.
"The estimated total battle casualties for the United States were 135,000, including 29,000 killed and 106,000 wounded and missing. United States casualties are taken from Office of the Adjutant General, Army Battle Casualties and Nonbattle Deaths in World War II: Final Report, 7 December 1941–31 December 1946, page 92.
Estimated Battle Casualties during the Normandy Invasion on ...
https://www.britannica.com › story › estimated-battle-casu...



2. Stalin ordered his vassal, FDR, to make the attack on Fortress Europa as far West as possible so that the Red Army could occupy fully half of Europe post war.
We already owned Italy, and the correct strategy would have been straight up into Germany.




3. Stalin insisted on a 'second front,' the assumption being that Hitler's attack on the Soviet homeland, June 21, 1941, was the 'first front.'

Further, Stalin insisted....demanded .....that the second front be as far west in Europe as possible....so that at war's end, the Red Army could occupy and control all of Eastern Europe.

This meant that, although the Allies had control of Italy and could advance north into Germany, the Adriatic second front was not acceptable to Stalin....only Normandy, France, was.






4. Now....what could have made him change his mind, and agree with Stalin/Roosevelt?

" In December1943, it was announced that Eisenhower would be Supreme Allied Commander in Europe."Military career of Dwight D. Eisenhower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Suddenly, the Roosevelt/Stalin choice, Normandy, became exemplary.





5. How about Eisenhower's assessment at the time?

....until FDR bribed him with another star, Eisenhower disagreed with the Stalin/FDR plan to attack from the far West, Normandy.

"Italy was the correct place in which to deploy our main forces and the objective should be the Valle of the PO.In no other area could we so well threaten the whole German structure including France, the Balkans and the Reich itself. Here also our air would becloser to vital objectives in Germany."
FRUS: The conferences at Cairo and Tehran, 1943, p.359-361
That report was published in "Foreign Relations of the United States" in 1961
Eisenhower's statement was to an audience in November 26, 1943....



Franklin Roosevelt and his Democrats......the greatest friend the Bolsheviks had........and have.

Just ask Hillary were she got that dossier.

Everytime you post your hatred of America you make me want to vomit.

 

[francoHFW]

Hard to believe how truly stupid you are.



I destroy......totally obliterate.....every stupid, lying post you author......and this one won't be any different.



No, Germany would not have conquered the USSR.

Hitler knew that....and so must have Roosevelt.

Here are the facts:
.. when Operation Barbarossa started on June 22, 1941, the available (German) supplies of fuel, tires, spare parts etc., were only good enough for about two months.....

Stalin, in fact, had been supplying resources to Hitler.

The Wehrmacht continued to advance, albeit very slowly, and by mid-November some units found themselves at only 30 kilometers from the capital. But the troops were now totally exhausted, and running out of supplies. Their commanders knew that it was simply impossible to take Moscow.
Hitler s Failed Blitzkrieg against the Soviet Union. The Battle of Moscow and Stalingrad Turning Point of World War II Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization
72 Years Ago, December 1941: Turning Point of World War II
'The Victory of the Red Army in front of Moscow was a Major Break'…
by Jacques Pauwels



By attacking in June, Hitler had planned to avoid Russia's three greatest generals....December, January, and February.
He didn't.


So....once one recognizes that Stalin was going to be the winner.....
....why did FDR send him supplies that the Allies could have used?

The schools hide the truth to shield FDR from richly deserved contumely.









Same reason so many universities eschew teaching the French Revolution....students might recognize that it gave birth to every totalitarian revolution in modern times.





"....realistically middle sized Germany could not defeat the much larger Ussr in the long term. Germany would have eventually surrendered to the western allies to prevent total occupation by the USSR ..."
So did the Red Army really singlehandedly defeat the Third Reich Stuff I Done Wrote - The Michael A. Charles Online Presence (comment)



"Between June 22, 1941, and January 31, 1942, the Germans had lost 6,000 airplanes and more than 3,200 tanks and similar vehicles; and no less than 918,000 men had been killed, wounded, or gone missing in action, amounting to 28.7 percent of the average strength of the army, namely, 3,2 million men.[33]

(In the Soviet Union, Germany would lose no less than 10 million of its total 13.5 million men killed, wounded, or taken prisoner during the entire war; and the Red Army would end up claiming credit for 90 per cent of all Germans killed in the Second World War.)
Clive Ponting, 'Armageddon: The Second World War,' p. 130; Stephen E. Ambrose 'Americans at War,' p. 72. ”





Write soon, y'hear!!!


I enjoy making ignorance painful.

Thank God for the Italians delaying the Germans in the Balkans and North Africa LOL. The Germans beat the Russians but not Winter. I'll tell you when you tell me something factual I don't know about the 20th century in Europe....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hitler and some of the German general staff.
After going through Poland and France like a hot knife thru butter, they thought they had a winning formula in blitzkrieg.

Hitler did.


The world has benefitted several times from ideological fanatics overplaying their hand.


Have you noticed the same from the Democrats?