The Gender Game

[kaz]

My home. Charlotte passed laws overriding the right of bathroom owners to decide who uses their bathrooms, so the State overrode that and said it's up the the business, not the city to dictate that.

So fail, North Carolina didn't do that, try again

So you live in that dump? Perfect.

You assholes started what we will finish. The imaginary predator in America's transgender bathroom war

Now you're lying, we said the owner of the business decides, that's what the North Carolina law says

And that's not up to them. You morons started this, we will finish it.

Yes, you are a totalitarian leftist, there is zero "liberal" about you

Liberalism is not a fucking free-for-all, make up your own damn fire codes kind of thing. That's anarchy.

Liberalism has rules, like those that regulate business.

What does anarchy have to do with this? Regulating private property usage is pure authoritarian leftism. Liberalism is about live and let live, you don't let live, not at all ever

 

[Jack4jill]

Regulating private property usage is pure authoritarian leftism. Liberalism is about live and let live, you don't let live, not at all ever

All untrue.

 

[kaz]

Note you call names but didn't identify the lie. What stops them, Holmes? There is nothing in the laws they need to look like a woman. So when a sexual predator decides to say he's a girl and walk into a girls bathroom, how do you stop them?

You are just a total fucking idiot. No one would get away with that.

This, is a lie and they want you to stop telling it.

“Nondiscrimination laws do not allow men to go into women’s restrooms—period. The claim that allowing transgender people to use the facilities that match the gender they live every day allows men into women’s bathrooms or women into men’s is based either on a flawed understanding of what it means to be transgender or a misrepresentation of the law. … As advocates committed to ending sexual assault and domestic violence of every kind, we will never support any law or policy that could put anyone at greater risk for assault or harassment. That is why we are able to strongly support transgender-inclusive nondiscrimination protections—and why we oppose any law that would jeopardize the safety of transgender people by forcing them into restrooms that do not align with the gender they live every day.”

250+ Groups Working to End Sexual Assault & Domestic Violence Condemn Anti-Transgender Bills

You've accounted for the most extreme caricature of a child molester, but they don't all look like that. When a well groomed 25 year old man with a sweater walks in saying he's a woman, then what?

He'd better find a good lawyer.

That's what he's going to tell you when you try to stop him. There is nothing in the bills that define transsexual, so how you going to arrest him?

Easy. We have police for such reasons. Unlike you, they usually have something like common sense.

This guy doesn't get to just hang around in the girls locker room with a video camera.

Show where in the bathroom bills that gives him access to the women's room it says he needs to look and dress like a chick. You ignoring that point doesn't make it go away.

John Adams: Facts are stubborn things

Fact, that's a standard you made up. It's not in the legislation. The 25 neatly trimmed man in a sweater going into the girls bathroom is legally allowed to go as there is nothing that stops him other than his own saying he is or isn't a transgender, and that isn't defined

 

[kaz]

Regulating private property usage is pure authoritarian leftism. Liberalism is about live and let live, you don't let live, not at all ever

All untrue.

You're telling private citizens who can use which of their own bathrooms. It's completely true. There is zero liberal about you. A liberal would say listen Jack, it's none of your fucking business who I let use my bathrooms.

An authoritarian leftist on the other hand would have, you know, your position ...

 

[Jack4jill]

Regulating private property usage is pure authoritarian leftism. Liberalism is about live and let live, you don't let live, not at all ever

All untrue.

You're telling private citizens who can use which of their own bathrooms. It's completely true. There is zero liberal about you. A liberal would say listen Jack, it's none of your fucking business who I let use my bathrooms.

An authoritarian leftist on the other hand would have, you know, your position ...

Someone told you that liberalism was live and let live. They lied.

"Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others; but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in “Common Sense” (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power."
liberalism | politics

 

[Jack4jill]

You are just a total fucking idiot. No one would get away with that.

This, is a lie and they want you to stop telling it.

“Nondiscrimination laws do not allow men to go into women’s restrooms—period. The claim that allowing transgender people to use the facilities that match the gender they live every day allows men into women’s bathrooms or women into men’s is based either on a flawed understanding of what it means to be transgender or a misrepresentation of the law. … As advocates committed to ending sexual assault and domestic violence of every kind, we will never support any law or policy that could put anyone at greater risk for assault or harassment. That is why we are able to strongly support transgender-inclusive nondiscrimination protections—and why we oppose any law that would jeopardize the safety of transgender people by forcing them into restrooms that do not align with the gender they live every day.”

250+ Groups Working to End Sexual Assault & Domestic Violence Condemn Anti-Transgender Bills

You've accounted for the most extreme caricature of a child molester, but they don't all look like that. When a well groomed 25 year old man with a sweater walks in saying he's a woman, then what?

He'd better find a good lawyer.

That's what he's going to tell you when you try to stop him. There is nothing in the bills that define transsexual, so how you going to arrest him?

Easy. We have police for such reasons. Unlike you, they usually have something like common sense.

This guy doesn't get to just hang around in the girls locker room with a video camera.

Show where in the bathroom bills that gives him access to the women's room it says he needs to look and dress like a chick. You ignoring that point doesn't make it go away.

John Adams: Facts are stubborn things

Fact, that's a standard you made up. It's not in the legislation. The 25 neatly trimmed man in a sweater going into the girls bathroom is legally allowed to go as there is nothing that stops him other than his own saying he is or isn't a transgender, and that isn't defined

Common sense is what stops him, and you have none.

 

[Tilly]

Note you call names but didn't identify the lie. What stops them, Holmes? There is nothing in the laws they need to look like a woman. So when a sexual predator decides to say he's a girl and walk into a girls bathroom, how do you stop them?

You are just a total fucking idiot. No one would get away with that.

This, is a lie and they want you to stop telling it.

“Nondiscrimination laws do not allow men to go into women’s restrooms—period. The claim that allowing transgender people to use the facilities that match the gender they live every day allows men into women’s bathrooms or women into men’s is based either on a flawed understanding of what it means to be transgender or a misrepresentation of the law. … As advocates committed to ending sexual assault and domestic violence of every kind, we will never support any law or policy that could put anyone at greater risk for assault or harassment. That is why we are able to strongly support transgender-inclusive nondiscrimination protections—and why we oppose any law that would jeopardize the safety of transgender people by forcing them into restrooms that do not align with the gender they live every day.”

250+ Groups Working to End Sexual Assault & Domestic Violence Condemn Anti-Transgender Bills

You've accounted for the most extreme caricature of a child molester, but they don't all look like that. When a well groomed 25 year old man with a sweater walks in saying he's a woman, then what?

He'd better find a good lawyer.

That's what he's going to tell you when you try to stop him. There is nothing in the bills that define transsexual, so how you going to arrest him?

Easy. We have police for such reasons. Unlike you, they usually have something like common sense.

This guy doesn't get to just hang around in the girls locker room with a video camera.

Why not?

 

[Jack4jill]

You are just a total fucking idiot. No one would get away with that.

This, is a lie and they want you to stop telling it.

“Nondiscrimination laws do not allow men to go into women’s restrooms—period. The claim that allowing transgender people to use the facilities that match the gender they live every day allows men into women’s bathrooms or women into men’s is based either on a flawed understanding of what it means to be transgender or a misrepresentation of the law. … As advocates committed to ending sexual assault and domestic violence of every kind, we will never support any law or policy that could put anyone at greater risk for assault or harassment. That is why we are able to strongly support transgender-inclusive nondiscrimination protections—and why we oppose any law that would jeopardize the safety of transgender people by forcing them into restrooms that do not align with the gender they live every day.”

250+ Groups Working to End Sexual Assault & Domestic Violence Condemn Anti-Transgender Bills

You've accounted for the most extreme caricature of a child molester, but they don't all look like that. When a well groomed 25 year old man with a sweater walks in saying he's a woman, then what?

He'd better find a good lawyer.

That's what he's going to tell you when you try to stop him. There is nothing in the bills that define transsexual, so how you going to arrest him?

Easy. We have police for such reasons. Unlike you, they usually have something like common sense.

This guy doesn't get to just hang around in the girls locker room with a video camera.

Why not?

Because he's not transgender.

 

[Tilly]

You've accounted for the most extreme caricature of a child molester, but they don't all look like that. When a well groomed 25 year old man with a sweater walks in saying he's a woman, then what?

He'd better find a good lawyer.

That's what he's going to tell you when you try to stop him. There is nothing in the bills that define transsexual, so how you going to arrest him?

Easy. We have police for such reasons. Unlike you, they usually have something like common sense.

This guy doesn't get to just hang around in the girls locker room with a video camera.

Why not?

Because he's not transgender.

Who gets to decide that? The law doesn't define it.

 

[Jack4jill]

He'd better find a good lawyer.

That's what he's going to tell you when you try to stop him. There is nothing in the bills that define transsexual, so how you going to arrest him?

Easy. We have police for such reasons. Unlike you, they usually have something like common sense.

This guy doesn't get to just hang around in the girls locker room with a video camera.

Why not?

Because he's not transgender.

Who gets to decide that? The law doesn't define it.

The courts, and people unlike you, with common sense and not ruled by fear like a child.

 

[Tilly]

That's what he's going to tell you when you try to stop him. There is nothing in the bills that define transsexual, so how you going to arrest him?

Easy. We have police for such reasons. Unlike you, they usually have something like common sense.

This guy doesn't get to just hang around in the girls locker room with a video camera.

Why not?

Because he's not transgender.

Who gets to decide that? The law doesn't define it.

The courts, and people unlike you, with common sense and not ruled by fear like a child.

Stop telling porkies, Jack. If he says he 'feels' like a woman, into the ladies room he can go. That's how the law stands. Btw, a lot of transsexuals don't look that much better than him and are clearly men, regardless of what efforts they've gone to. So, nope, into the ladies he can go.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Jack4jill is a gender-politicist.

Gender, and the multiple sexes, are cool, and weird.

Sex variation is an immense suffering and a bad disorder.

I like what so many don't, can can't deal with, variation and complexity.

Complexity tears away at creativity. You are destructive.

I'm very good at that, when I'm in the mood to destroy.

Creation and Destruction.

Screw creation, just destruction. Cower in fear before the almighty Cthulhu. All of your arguments are invalid.

 

[Jack4jill]

Easy. We have police for such reasons. Unlike you, they usually have something like common sense.

This guy doesn't get to just hang around in the girls locker room with a video camera.

Why not?

Because he's not transgender.

Who gets to decide that? The law doesn't define it.

The courts, and people unlike you, with common sense and not ruled by fear like a child.

Stop telling porkies, Jack. If he says he 'feels' like a woman, into the ladies room he can go. That's how the law stands. Btw, a lot of transsexuals don't look that much better than him and are clearly men, regardless of what efforts they've gone to. So, nope, into the ladies he can go.

No.

 

[TemplarKormac]

That's what he's going to tell you when you try to stop him. There is nothing in the bills that define transsexual, so how you going to arrest him?

Easy. We have police for such reasons. Unlike you, they usually have something like common sense.

This guy doesn't get to just hang around in the girls locker room with a video camera.

Why not?

Because he's not transgender.

Who gets to decide that? The law doesn't define it.

The courts, and people unlike you, with common sense and not ruled by fear like a child.

Tis better to be ruled by fear than stupidity.

 

[Jack4jill]

Gender, and the multiple sexes, are cool, and weird.

Sex variation is an immense suffering and a bad disorder.

I like what so many don't, can can't deal with, variation and complexity.

Complexity tears away at creativity. You are destructive.

I'm very good at that, when I'm in the mood to destroy.

Creation and Destruction.

Screw creation, just destruction. Cower in fear before the almighty Cthulhu. All of your arguments are invalid.

If my arguments were invalid I wouldn't be winning here, and in life.

 

[Jack4jill]

Easy. We have police for such reasons. Unlike you, they usually have something like common sense.

This guy doesn't get to just hang around in the girls locker room with a video camera.

Why not?

Because he's not transgender.

Who gets to decide that? The law doesn't define it.

The courts, and people unlike you, with common sense and not ruled by fear like a child.

Tis better to be ruled by fear than stupidity.

Tis better not to be ruled. Join me, if you dare?

 

[Tilly]

Why not?

Because he's not transgender.

Who gets to decide that? The law doesn't define it.

The courts, and people unlike you, with common sense and not ruled by fear like a child.

Stop telling porkies, Jack. If he says he 'feels' like a woman, into the ladies room he can go. That's how the law stands. Btw, a lot of transsexuals don't look that much better than him and are clearly men, regardless of what efforts they've gone to. So, nope, into the ladies he can go.

No.

Yep.

 

[Jack4jill]

Because he's not transgender.

Who gets to decide that? The law doesn't define it.

The courts, and people unlike you, with common sense and not ruled by fear like a child.

Stop telling porkies, Jack. If he says he 'feels' like a woman, into the ladies room he can go. That's how the law stands. Btw, a lot of transsexuals don't look that much better than him and are clearly men, regardless of what efforts they've gone to. So, nope, into the ladies he can go.

No.

Yep.

No. You lie.

http://www.hrc.org/blog/more-than-250-sexual-assault-domestic-violence-organizations-condemn-anti-t

 

[Tilly]

 

[Jack4jill]

Liar.

How anti-trans bathroom arguments exploit fear of sexual violence to push bigotry