The God of Abraham, as Described in The Torah, The New Testament and The Koran

[Sunni Man]

'Jehovah' is a (Christian) kluge: the ONE's Name is unpronounceable. Literally, it is silent: none of the letters makes a sound without having a vowel attached to it. And the vowels are not included in the Torah text (not on the actual scrolls).

It is not "forbidden" to say the Name: it's just that one wouldn't wish to be disrespectful or announce one's ignorance by addressing the LORD in such intimate address but incorrectly.

Sure I could have used G-d in my post.

But I chose Jehovah because of the audience I was addressing. ..

 

[Statistikhengst]

'Jehovah' is a (Christian) kluge: the ONE's Name is unpronounceable. Literally, it is silent: none of the letters makes a sound without having a vowel attached to it. And the vowels are not included in the Torah text (not on the actual scrolls).

It is not "forbidden" to say the Name: it's just that one wouldn't wish to be disrespectful or announce one's ignorance by addressing the LORD in such intimate address but incorrectly.

Sure I could have used G-d in my post.

But I chose Jehovah because of the audience I was addressing. ..

But aren't you assuming that you have an audience at all? Maybe no one was listening...

 

[hangover]

The God of Abraham, as described in The Torah, The New Testament and The Koran...

Is there any good reason not to lump ALL of the followers of this God in to one dysfunctional subset of humanity?

Isn't if funny that all three say the same thing, "My God is better than your god."

But aren't you assuming that you have an audience at all? Maybe no one was listening...

Stupid, considering you made this post.

The Christian concept of God and his alleged son Jesus is blasphemy to both jews and muslims.

All three "believe" in a Messiah. The Jews and Muslims just resent Jesus being the one, because they don't feel like he fits in as their perception of what a Messiah should be. Just shows how God's will is rejected in favor of human desire.

 

[Statistikhengst]

The God of Abraham, as described in The Torah, The New Testament and The Koran...

Is there any good reason not to lump ALL of the followers of this God in to one dysfunctional subset of humanity?

Isn't if funny that all three say the same thing, "My God is better than your god."

But aren't you assuming that you have an audience at all? Maybe no one was listening...

Stupid, considering you made this post.

Looking and listening are not the same things...



Now, back to enjoying your regularly scheduled hangover.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

O.k., and again I ask... if not the God of Abraham as described in The Torah, who?

Which God do you worship?

Your argument is specious.

The basis of your argument asserts that there is one God. YOU then depart from the premise, to claim there are three Gods.

The argument is invalid.

So you've two choices.

You can shut down this thread and start another one which asks, 'to which of the three perspectives of God should you adhere'?

Or you can continue to embarrass yourself by pushing this foolishness.

The evidence provides, to this point, that there is only one Creator. Only one intelligence which set froth the laws that provided for the universe in which we exist.

Worship that God, don't worship it. It matters to no one but you and God.

All the question amounts to is should you recognize that you're not God, that you owe your life to that which IS God and humble yourself for the opportunity which God has provided, or be a douche and reject God his gift and your own best interests in so doing.

Nothing complicated in any of this.

 

[hangover]

O.k., and again I ask... if not the God of Abraham as described in The Torah, who?

Which God do you worship?

Your argument is specious.

The basis of your argument asserts that there is one God. YOU then depart from the premise, to claim there are three Gods.

The argument is invalid.

So you've two choices.

You can shut down this thread and start another one which asks, 'to which of the three perspectives of God should you adhere'?

Or you can continue to embarrass yourself by pushing this foolishness.

The evidence provides, to this point, that there is only one Creator. Only one intelligence which set froth the laws that provided for the universe in which we exist.

Worship that God, don't worship it. It matters to no one but you and God.

All the question amounts to is should you recognize that you're not God, that you owe your life to that which IS God and humble yourself for the opportunity which God has provided, or be a douche and reject God his gift and your own best interests in so doing.

Nothing complicated in any of this.

Looks like you missed his point. Read the OP again.

 

[hangover]

The God of Abraham, as described in The Torah, The New Testament and The Koran...

Is there any good reason not to lump ALL of the followers of this God in to one dysfunctional subset of humanity?

Isn't if funny that all three say the same thing, "My God is better than your god."

But aren't you assuming that you have an audience at all? Maybe no one was listening...

Stupid, considering you made this post.

Looking and listening are not the same things...



Now, back to enjoying your regularly scheduled hangover.

They have eyes but can not hear. They have ears but can not see.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Isn't if funny that all three say the same thing, "My God is better than your god."


Stupid, considering you made this post.

Looking and listening are not the same things...



Now, back to enjoying your regularly scheduled hangover.

They have eyes but can not hear. They have ears but can not see.

When they land and we make first contact, I'm sure a full report will come out.

 

[hangover]

Looking and listening are not the same things...



Now, back to enjoying your regularly scheduled hangover.

They have eyes but can not hear. They have ears but can not see.

When they land and we make first contact, I'm sure a full report will come out.

You put your faith in the media? Really?

 

[BreezeWood]

the Everlasting is visible and can not be written - what is written is how to get there, irregardless the God.

 

[Statistikhengst]

the Everlasting is visible and can not be written - what is written is how to get there, irregardless the God.

Well said.

Most Jews believe that alone the attempt to fully write the name of G-d besmirches G-d, and for this reason, most all Jews leave out the vowel in the middle and replace it with a -. It's not meant to be a secret code. It is meant to indicate that one cannot fully describe G-d, so don't try. Let G-d know that you cannot possibly comprehend all about G-d. For he knows this already, anyway.

So, regardless whether you call G-d

Adonai / Adoshem
Ha'shem
Ya-veh
G-d / G-tt /D -x / D - s

among many other names, is irrelevant. G-d is G-d is G-d. G-d controls the entire multi-verse. None can compare to G-d.

Mi kamocha....

And it's not up to me to say whether others believe in G-d or not. That is between them-- and G-d.

 

[hangover]

All three "believe" in a Messiah. The Jews and Muslims just resent Jesus being the one, because they don't feel like he fits in as their perception of what a Messiah should be. Just shows how God's will is rejected in favor of human desire.

And that's why the Jews had Jesus delivered to Pilot for crucifixion.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

the Everlasting is visible and can not be written - what is written is how to get there, irregardless the God.

Well said.

Most Jews believe that alone the attempt to fully write the name of G-d besmirches G-d, and for this reason, most all Jews leave out the vowel in the middle and replace it with a -. It's not meant to be a secret code. It is meant to indicate that one cannot fully describe G-d, so don't try. Let G-d know that you cannot possibly comprehend all about G-d. For he knows this already, anyway.

So, regardless whether you call G-d

Adonai / Adoshem
Ha'shem
Ya-veh
G-d / G-tt /D -x / D - s

among many other names, is irrelevant. G-d is G-d is G-d. G-d controls the entire multi-verse. None can compare to G-d.

Mi kamocha....

And it's not up to me to say whether others believe in G-d or not. That is between them-- and G-d.

Wonderfully said. I very much enjoyed it.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

O.k., and again I ask... if not the God of Abraham as described in The Torah, who?

Which God do you worship?

Your argument is specious.

The basis of your argument asserts that there is one God. YOU then depart from the premise, to claim there are three Gods.

The argument is invalid.

So you've two choices.

You can shut down this thread and start another one which asks, 'to which of the three perspectives of God should you adhere'?

Or you can continue to embarrass yourself by pushing this foolishness.

The evidence provides, to this point, that there is only one Creator. Only one intelligence which set froth the laws that provided for the universe in which we exist.

Worship that God, don't worship it. It matters to no one but you and God.

All the question amounts to is should you recognize that you're not God, that you owe your life to that which IS God and humble yourself for the opportunity which God has provided, or be a douche and reject God his gift and your own best interests in so doing.

Nothing complicated in any of this.

Looks like you missed his point. Read the OP again.

I did read the OP.

Then I read the post to which I responded, wherein the author changed the point of the OP.

The OP is clearly shifting the argument, because of the fatally flawed construct of his argument which is getting creamed, as is usually the case in arguments crafted by the Anti-theist.

God is what he is. Know one on this planet knows what he is, we each must consider what we know and reason from those set of observations, what serves reason.

But at the end of the day, our perspective is so small and low that we've very little means of ever truly understanding God. The good news there being that we have more than enough to recognize that whoever or whatever God is, we're not him. We know, given that we have no means to create ourselves, that owe our very existence to him, thus it follows that the least we can do is to use the gifts he has provided toward the fulfillment of our lives, which reason suggests is the reason we're here.

The denial of God is little more than the time tested argument: "You're not the boss of me". Usually advanced by those, of whom we are the boss. vis a vis, our children or younger siblings.

It never fails to tickle me when I run across these forums, that those who profess to be founded in "SCIENCE!" and "LOGIC!", claiming adherents to the physical laws of the universe, eschew to the depths of their worth, the laws of nature governing human behavior, as if they're any more debatable then the laws of physics.
Meaning that the same people who would never argue the existence of gravity and electro-magnetism, are absolutely certain that the laws against eating shellfish were CRAZY! And that the laws against promiscuous sex are NUTS! With similar views on the laws against theft, deceit, disrespect of one's parents, etc.... further rejecting laws which require high discipline against greed, lust, anger, sloth, envy, pride and gluttony.

Now the hilarity comes into play, where those keeping score recognize those 'sinful' traits, as the weaker traits of humanity, which are also the key selling points of socialism and it's wholly owned subsidiary: Anti-theism.

 

[AVG-JOE]

My question is simple... "Do Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same God?"

My conclusion is also simple... Yes they do.

If you think I'm wrong, and the three religions in question don't in fact worship the same God, I have another question... If the 'God' in any of the three ancient stories in question is not the God of Abraham, Who is the God of that story?


This is easy, ass-u-me-ing the obvious conclusion doesn't makes one too uncomfortable.

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[The Irish Ram]

Joe, if you think they are the same, read the Koran and the Bible and then tell me how they are even remotely similar. The messages are polar opposites. If they were the same God their singular personality should be apparent in both.

 

[AVG-JOE]

O.k., and again I ask... if not the God of Abraham as described in The Torah, who?

Which God do you worship?

Your argument is specious.

The basis of your argument asserts that there is one God. YOU then depart from the premise, to claim there are three Gods.

The argument is invalid.

So you've two choices.

You can shut down this thread and start another one which asks, 'to which of the three perspectives of God should you adhere'?

Or you can continue to embarrass yourself by pushing this foolishness.

The evidence provides, to this point, that there is only one Creator. Only one intelligence which set froth the laws that provided for the universe in which we exist.

Worship that God, don't worship it. It matters to no one but you and God.

All the question amounts to is should you recognize that you're not God, that you owe your life to that which IS God and humble yourself for the opportunity which God has provided, or be a douche and reject God his gift and your own best interests in so doing.

Nothing complicated in any of this.

Which God?

The God of Abraham as described in The Torah, The New Testament and The Koran, or Zeus? Maybe Ganesha or Shiva spring to mind when you hear the word 'God'...


Without a working definition of the Being behind the madness, 'God' is just another generic label to blithely toss around.

 

[koshergrl]

He don't need no larnin, he just knows whut he knows!

 

[AVG-JOE]

Joe, if you think they are the same, read the Koran and the Bible and then tell me how they are even remotely similar. The messages are polar opposites. If they were the same God their singular personality should be apparent in both.

I'm not interested in the divergent stories in this thread. I want to establish one way or the other exactly who the God of The Torah is, who the God of The New Testament is, and who the God of The Koran is.


I believe that, no matter what label or name is being used, 'God', as referenced in the three ancient stories under discussion, is indeed the God of Abraham, as first described in The Torah.

In other words - The New Testament and The Koran are both spin offs, attempting to provide access to the God of the Jews.


Step one in any religious debate is to define the various gods being discussed. So far we have the God of Abraham as described first in The Torah, and nadda.

 

[koshergrl]

But you want to do it without reading, and without referencing, the holy texts.

Got it.