The GOP’s Latest Smoke And Mirrors Health Plan

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It’s designed to create the illusion that Trump is keeping a campaign promise, But it’s really helping him break it.

Health care legislation is back on the table now that Congress has returned from its spring vacation. The White House is pushing hard to get something through Congress as early as this week. Although no bill has yet been introduced, the White House and congressional Republicans appear to have settled on the contours of a new legislative proposal.

Late last week, Politico published an outline of the latest GOP health care proposal, known as the “MacArthur Amendment.” A bill based on the MacArthur Amendment would nominally keep in place two key features of Obamacare, the prohibition against insurers denying coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions, and the “community rating” provision that prohibits insurers from charging higher premiums to people with pre-existing conditions.

But don’t be fooled. While the proposed legislation may appear to keep these key provisions of Obamacare alive, it’s an illusion. It is really designed to quietly kill them.

It might not flip the switch that executes the pre-existing condition provision, but it leads the condemned to the electric chair, straps it in, and hands over the switch to the states.

Why all the smoke and mirrors?

Because it is designed to create the false impression that Donald Trump is keeping his promise to retain the provision of Obamacare that prohibits insurers from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, while it is actually helping him break it.

Allowing states to waive out of the Obamacare Community Rating provision would be a drastic change of course back to the days when insurers were free to deny coverage to anybody.

DETAILS: The GOP's Latest Smoke And Mirrors Health Plan

Does Trump honestly think his smoke and mirrors will actually deceive us? And what is sadly hilarious is that his healthcare plan will hurt his supporters the most. Most reasonable people agree that what he should be focused on is fixing the glitches in Obamacare and stop all the "repeal and replace" nonsense. Trumpcare seems to be Trump's greatest obsession - but it will likely be his greatest curse.
 
Derelict Don would be sol without Obama.

his drones are waaaaaaaaaaaay to dumb to figure it out.
 
Derelict Don would be sol without Obama.

his drones are waaaaaaaaaaaay to dumb to figure it out.

What really amazes me is that those Trump "drones" are too stupid to realize that Trumpcare will hurt them the most.
 
It’s designed to create the illusion that Trump is keeping a campaign promise, But it’s really helping him break it.

Health care legislation is back on the table now that Congress has returned from its spring vacation. The White House is pushing hard to get something through Congress as early as this week. Although no bill has yet been introduced, the White House and congressional Republicans appear to have settled on the contours of a new legislative proposal.

Late last week, Politico published an outline of the latest GOP health care proposal, known as the “MacArthur Amendment.” A bill based on the MacArthur Amendment would nominally keep in place two key features of Obamacare, the prohibition against insurers denying coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions, and the “community rating” provision that prohibits insurers from charging higher premiums to people with pre-existing conditions.

But don’t be fooled. While the proposed legislation may appear to keep these key provisions of Obamacare alive, it’s an illusion. It is really designed to quietly kill them.

It might not flip the switch that executes the pre-existing condition provision, but it leads the condemned to the electric chair, straps it in, and hands over the switch to the states.

Why all the smoke and mirrors?

Because it is designed to create the false impression that Donald Trump is keeping his promise to retain the provision of Obamacare that prohibits insurers from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, while it is actually helping him break it.

Allowing states to waive out of the Obamacare Community Rating provision would be a drastic change of course back to the days when insurers were free to deny coverage to anybody.

DETAILS: The GOP's Latest Smoke And Mirrors Health Plan

Does Trump honestly think his smoke and mirrors will actually deceive us? And what is sadly hilarious is that his healthcare plan will hurt his supporters the most. Most reasonable people agree that what he should be focused on is fixing the glitches in Obamacare and stop all the "repeal and replace" nonsense. Trumpcare seems to be Trump's greatest obsession - but it will likely be his greatest curse.

For once go and get the real thing instead of just being told what to think by HuffPo or kos. Go get us the bill, or at least the outline.
 
...Still better than the sugar-coated, lie-based, minority-supported, socialist agenda-driven, COLLAPSING TURD forced down the Throats of the majority of Americans who opposed it that we have now, thanks to Obama abd the Democrats.
 
It’s designed to create the illusion that Trump is keeping a campaign promise, But it’s really helping him break it.

Health care legislation is back on the table now that Congress has returned from its spring vacation. The White House is pushing hard to get something through Congress as early as this week. Although no bill has yet been introduced, the White House and congressional Republicans appear to have settled on the contours of a new legislative proposal.

Late last week, Politico published an outline of the latest GOP health care proposal, known as the “MacArthur Amendment.” A bill based on the MacArthur Amendment would nominally keep in place two key features of Obamacare, the prohibition against insurers denying coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions, and the “community rating” provision that prohibits insurers from charging higher premiums to people with pre-existing conditions.

But don’t be fooled. While the proposed legislation may appear to keep these key provisions of Obamacare alive, it’s an illusion. It is really designed to quietly kill them.

It might not flip the switch that executes the pre-existing condition provision, but it leads the condemned to the electric chair, straps it in, and hands over the switch to the states.

Why all the smoke and mirrors?

Because it is designed to create the false impression that Donald Trump is keeping his promise to retain the provision of Obamacare that prohibits insurers from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, while it is actually helping him break it.

Allowing states to waive out of the Obamacare Community Rating provision would be a drastic change of course back to the days when insurers were free to deny coverage to anybody.

DETAILS: The GOP's Latest Smoke And Mirrors Health Plan

Does Trump honestly think his smoke and mirrors will actually deceive us? And what is sadly hilarious is that his healthcare plan will hurt his supporters the most. Most reasonable people agree that what he should be focused on is fixing the glitches in Obamacare and stop all the "repeal and replace" nonsense. Trumpcare seems to be Trump's greatest obsession - but it will likely be his greatest curse.

For once go and get the real thing instead of just being told what to think by HuffPo or kos. Go get us the bill, or at least the outline.

Are the links too difficult for you to follow?
 
It’s designed to create the illusion that Trump is keeping a campaign promise, But it’s really helping him break it.

Health care legislation is back on the table now that Congress has returned from its spring vacation. The White House is pushing hard to get something through Congress as early as this week. Although no bill has yet been introduced, the White House and congressional Republicans appear to have settled on the contours of a new legislative proposal.

Late last week, Politico published an outline of the latest GOP health care proposal, known as the “MacArthur Amendment.” A bill based on the MacArthur Amendment would nominally keep in place two key features of Obamacare, the prohibition against insurers denying coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions, and the “community rating” provision that prohibits insurers from charging higher premiums to people with pre-existing conditions.

But don’t be fooled. While the proposed legislation may appear to keep these key provisions of Obamacare alive, it’s an illusion. It is really designed to quietly kill them.

It might not flip the switch that executes the pre-existing condition provision, but it leads the condemned to the electric chair, straps it in, and hands over the switch to the states.

Why all the smoke and mirrors?

Because it is designed to create the false impression that Donald Trump is keeping his promise to retain the provision of Obamacare that prohibits insurers from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, while it is actually helping him break it.

Allowing states to waive out of the Obamacare Community Rating provision would be a drastic change of course back to the days when insurers were free to deny coverage to anybody.

DETAILS: The GOP's Latest Smoke And Mirrors Health Plan

Does Trump honestly think his smoke and mirrors will actually deceive us? And what is sadly hilarious is that his healthcare plan will hurt his supporters the most. Most reasonable people agree that what he should be focused on is fixing the glitches in Obamacare and stop all the "repeal and replace" nonsense. Trumpcare seems to be Trump's greatest obsession - but it will likely be his greatest curse.

For once go and get the real thing instead of just being told what to think by HuffPo or kos. Go get us the bill, or at least the outline.

Are the links too difficult for you to follow?

It's your post Red Bull, you can't think for yourself?
 
Allow me to go on the record here, any substantial changes will come at a political price and the Pubs know this. That's why it won't happen, some of them will be forced to fall on their sword for the Party.
 
Shitforhair will do what he planned on doing .. nothing .. then blame it on the dems.
 
So you keep saying. But hey you can't back it up with anything but your words. You lose.
 
It’s designed to create the illusion that Trump is keeping a campaign promise, But it’s really helping him break it.

Health care legislation is back on the table now that Congress has returned from its spring vacation. The White House is pushing hard to get something through Congress as early as this week. Although no bill has yet been introduced, the White House and congressional Republicans appear to have settled on the contours of a new legislative proposal.

Late last week, Politico published an outline of the latest GOP health care proposal, known as the “MacArthur Amendment.” A bill based on the MacArthur Amendment would nominally keep in place two key features of Obamacare, the prohibition against insurers denying coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions, and the “community rating” provision that prohibits insurers from charging higher premiums to people with pre-existing conditions.

But don’t be fooled. While the proposed legislation may appear to keep these key provisions of Obamacare alive, it’s an illusion. It is really designed to quietly kill them.

It might not flip the switch that executes the pre-existing condition provision, but it leads the condemned to the electric chair, straps it in, and hands over the switch to the states.

Why all the smoke and mirrors?

Because it is designed to create the false impression that Donald Trump is keeping his promise to retain the provision of Obamacare that prohibits insurers from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, while it is actually helping him break it.

Allowing states to waive out of the Obamacare Community Rating provision would be a drastic change of course back to the days when insurers were free to deny coverage to anybody.

DETAILS: The GOP's Latest Smoke And Mirrors Health Plan

Does Trump honestly think his smoke and mirrors will actually deceive us? And what is sadly hilarious is that his healthcare plan will hurt his supporters the most. Most reasonable people agree that what he should be focused on is fixing the glitches in Obamacare and stop all the "repeal and replace" nonsense. Trumpcare seems to be Trump's greatest obsession - but it will likely be his greatest curse.

For once go and get the real thing instead of just being told what to think by HuffPo or kos. Go get us the bill, or at least the outline.
The actual "McArthur" amendement that was released to CNBC from someone in Congress is here: Read the full health-care proposal memo here. Take a look at it and tell me how different it is from what you refer to as the "summation" of it.

Before you tell others to "For once go and get the real thing," make sure you've done so. The only real criticism I have for the Huff Post editorial's analysis is that it uses too many words to state what is patently clear from just reading the very simply worded (for now) McArthur amendment: what the McArthur amendment "gives" in its "Insurance Provisions" section, it allows the states to take away in the "Limited Waiver" section.

The design of the amendment allows states to discard all the provisions that insurers don't like and that insured people have insisted upon. For example the waiver based on health status. What is health status but one's pre-existing health condition? And what do states need to do to obtain the waiver? Three things:
  1. Ask for the waiver.
  2. Completely complete the forms that document the request for the waiver.
  3. Somewhere on the request form, claim that the waiver is requested to lower premiums. (There are other reasons a state can specify, but only reason is required.)
So now, let me ask you this. Look at the items noted in the "Limited Waiver" section of the amendment. Do you think that the premiums for an insurance policy that doesn't provide the noted coverages will be lower or higher than are the premiums for policies that do cover such things?

The point being that a state claiming that it wants a waiver so as to reduce premium costs is all but sure to receive whatever waiver it wants. At that point, residents of the state in question are at the mercy of the insurance industry's ability to "buy off" state legislators and governors and their administrations. That provision singlehandedly pushes campaign corruptions further down into the State and local level. I'm sure you can tell that insurance policies will cost more, in part, because as insurers spend more on lobbying and campaign contributions at state and local levels. If that thing gets enacted, I hope state government executives and legislators send "Thank you" baskets to their federal level cronies.
 
It’s designed to create the illusion that Trump is keeping a campaign promise, But it’s really helping him break it.

Health care legislation is back on the table now that Congress has returned from its spring vacation. The White House is pushing hard to get something through Congress as early as this week. Although no bill has yet been introduced, the White House and congressional Republicans appear to have settled on the contours of a new legislative proposal.

Late last week, Politico published an outline of the latest GOP health care proposal, known as the “MacArthur Amendment.” A bill based on the MacArthur Amendment would nominally keep in place two key features of Obamacare, the prohibition against insurers denying coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions, and the “community rating” provision that prohibits insurers from charging higher premiums to people with pre-existing conditions.

But don’t be fooled. While the proposed legislation may appear to keep these key provisions of Obamacare alive, it’s an illusion. It is really designed to quietly kill them.

It might not flip the switch that executes the pre-existing condition provision, but it leads the condemned to the electric chair, straps it in, and hands over the switch to the states.

Why all the smoke and mirrors?

Because it is designed to create the false impression that Donald Trump is keeping his promise to retain the provision of Obamacare that prohibits insurers from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, while it is actually helping him break it.

Allowing states to waive out of the Obamacare Community Rating provision would be a drastic change of course back to the days when insurers were free to deny coverage to anybody.

DETAILS: The GOP's Latest Smoke And Mirrors Health Plan

Does Trump honestly think his smoke and mirrors will actually deceive us? And what is sadly hilarious is that his healthcare plan will hurt his supporters the most. Most reasonable people agree that what he should be focused on is fixing the glitches in Obamacare and stop all the "repeal and replace" nonsense. Trumpcare seems to be Trump's greatest obsession - but it will likely be his greatest curse.

For once go and get the real thing instead of just being told what to think by HuffPo or kos. Go get us the bill, or at least the outline.
The actual "McArthur" amendement that was released to CNBC from someone in Congress is here: Read the full health-care proposal memo here. Take a look at it and tell me how different it is from what you refer to as the "summation" of it.

Before you tell others to "For once go and get the real thing," make sure you've done so. The only real criticism I have for the Huff Post editorial's analysis is that it uses too many words to state what is patently clear from just reading the very simply worded (for now) McArthur amendment: what the McArthur amendment "gives" in its "Insurance Provisions" section, it allows the states to take away in the "Limited Waiver" section.

The design of the amendment allows states to discard all the provisions that insurers don't like and that insured people have insisted upon. For example the waiver based on health status. What is health status but one's pre-existing health condition? And what do states need to do to obtain the waiver? Three things:
  1. Ask for the waiver.
  2. Completely complete the forms that document the request for the waiver.
  3. Somewhere on the request form, claim that the waiver is requested to lower premiums. (There are other reasons a state can specify, but only reason is required.)
So now, let me ask you this. Look at the items noted in the "Limited Waiver" section of the amendment. Do you think that the premiums for an insurance policy that doesn't provide the noted coverages will be lower or higher than are the premiums for policies that do cover such things?

The point being that a state claiming that it wants a waiver so as to reduce premium costs is all but sure to receive whatever waiver it wants. At that point, residents of the state in question are at the mercy of the insurance industry's ability to "buy off" state legislators and governors and their administrations. That provision singlehandedly pushes campaign corruptions further down into the State and local level. I'm sure you can tell that insurance policies will cost more, in part, because as insurers spend more on lobbying and campaign contributions at state and local levels. If that thing gets enacted, I hope state government executives and legislators send "Thank you" baskets to their federal level cronies.

LOL, I'll do and say as I please, especially with a dumbass like Red Bull. If wants to post about Healthcare fine, but HuffPo and kos are his only sources and they are both shit. Healthcare is what I do pop, I know it inside and out. I suggest you read my other posts right here in this thread,.
 
It’s designed to create the illusion that Trump is keeping a campaign promise, But it’s really helping him break it.

Health care legislation is back on the table now that Congress has returned from its spring vacation. The White House is pushing hard to get something through Congress as early as this week. Although no bill has yet been introduced, the White House and congressional Republicans appear to have settled on the contours of a new legislative proposal.

Late last week, Politico published an outline of the latest GOP health care proposal, known as the “MacArthur Amendment.” A bill based on the MacArthur Amendment would nominally keep in place two key features of Obamacare, the prohibition against insurers denying coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions, and the “community rating” provision that prohibits insurers from charging higher premiums to people with pre-existing conditions.

But don’t be fooled. While the proposed legislation may appear to keep these key provisions of Obamacare alive, it’s an illusion. It is really designed to quietly kill them.

It might not flip the switch that executes the pre-existing condition provision, but it leads the condemned to the electric chair, straps it in, and hands over the switch to the states.

Why all the smoke and mirrors?

Because it is designed to create the false impression that Donald Trump is keeping his promise to retain the provision of Obamacare that prohibits insurers from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, while it is actually helping him break it.

Allowing states to waive out of the Obamacare Community Rating provision would be a drastic change of course back to the days when insurers were free to deny coverage to anybody.

DETAILS: The GOP's Latest Smoke And Mirrors Health Plan

Does Trump honestly think his smoke and mirrors will actually deceive us? And what is sadly hilarious is that his healthcare plan will hurt his supporters the most. Most reasonable people agree that what he should be focused on is fixing the glitches in Obamacare and stop all the "repeal and replace" nonsense. Trumpcare seems to be Trump's greatest obsession - but it will likely be his greatest curse.

For once go and get the real thing instead of just being told what to think by HuffPo or kos. Go get us the bill, or at least the outline.
The actual "McArthur" amendement that was released to CNBC from someone in Congress is here: Read the full health-care proposal memo here. Take a look at it and tell me how different it is from what you refer to as the "summation" of it.

Before you tell others to "For once go and get the real thing," make sure you've done so. The only real criticism I have for the Huff Post editorial's analysis is that it uses too many words to state what is patently clear from just reading the very simply worded (for now) McArthur amendment: what the McArthur amendment "gives" in its "Insurance Provisions" section, it allows the states to take away in the "Limited Waiver" section.

The design of the amendment allows states to discard all the provisions that insurers don't like and that insured people have insisted upon. For example the waiver based on health status. What is health status but one's pre-existing health condition? And what do states need to do to obtain the waiver? Three things:
  1. Ask for the waiver.
  2. Completely complete the forms that document the request for the waiver.
  3. Somewhere on the request form, claim that the waiver is requested to lower premiums. (There are other reasons a state can specify, but only reason is required.)
So now, let me ask you this. Look at the items noted in the "Limited Waiver" section of the amendment. Do you think that the premiums for an insurance policy that doesn't provide the noted coverages will be lower or higher than are the premiums for policies that do cover such things?

The point being that a state claiming that it wants a waiver so as to reduce premium costs is all but sure to receive whatever waiver it wants. At that point, residents of the state in question are at the mercy of the insurance industry's ability to "buy off" state legislators and governors and their administrations. That provision singlehandedly pushes campaign corruptions further down into the State and local level. I'm sure you can tell that insurance policies will cost more, in part, because as insurers spend more on lobbying and campaign contributions at state and local levels. If that thing gets enacted, I hope state government executives and legislators send "Thank you" baskets to their federal level cronies.

Allow me to go on the record here, any substantial changes will come at a political price and the Pubs know this. That's why it won't happen, some of them will be forced to fall on their sword for the Party.

Like I said, I know it backwards and forwards, pick a different opponent as I will school you.
 
It’s designed to create the illusion that Trump is keeping a campaign promise, But it’s really helping him break it.

Health care legislation is back on the table now that Congress has returned from its spring vacation. The White House is pushing hard to get something through Congress as early as this week. Although no bill has yet been introduced, the White House and congressional Republicans appear to have settled on the contours of a new legislative proposal.

Late last week, Politico published an outline of the latest GOP health care proposal, known as the “MacArthur Amendment.” A bill based on the MacArthur Amendment would nominally keep in place two key features of Obamacare, the prohibition against insurers denying coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions, and the “community rating” provision that prohibits insurers from charging higher premiums to people with pre-existing conditions.

But don’t be fooled. While the proposed legislation may appear to keep these key provisions of Obamacare alive, it’s an illusion. It is really designed to quietly kill them.

It might not flip the switch that executes the pre-existing condition provision, but it leads the condemned to the electric chair, straps it in, and hands over the switch to the states.

Why all the smoke and mirrors?

Because it is designed to create the false impression that Donald Trump is keeping his promise to retain the provision of Obamacare that prohibits insurers from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, while it is actually helping him break it.

Allowing states to waive out of the Obamacare Community Rating provision would be a drastic change of course back to the days when insurers were free to deny coverage to anybody.

DETAILS: The GOP's Latest Smoke And Mirrors Health Plan

Does Trump honestly think his smoke and mirrors will actually deceive us? And what is sadly hilarious is that his healthcare plan will hurt his supporters the most. Most reasonable people agree that what he should be focused on is fixing the glitches in Obamacare and stop all the "repeal and replace" nonsense. Trumpcare seems to be Trump's greatest obsession - but it will likely be his greatest curse.
Does Trump honestly think his smoke and mirrors will actually deceive us?
This is what I believe is referred to as a 'rhetorical question'.
 
Die fast if you're not a millionaire or richer.

Lets join the fucking first world and make the right choice with single payer.
 
It’s designed to create the illusion that Trump is keeping a campaign promise, But it’s really helping him break it.

Health care legislation is back on the table now that Congress has returned from its spring vacation. The White House is pushing hard to get something through Congress as early as this week. Although no bill has yet been introduced, the White House and congressional Republicans appear to have settled on the contours of a new legislative proposal.

Late last week, Politico published an outline of the latest GOP health care proposal, known as the “MacArthur Amendment.” A bill based on the MacArthur Amendment would nominally keep in place two key features of Obamacare, the prohibition against insurers denying coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions, and the “community rating” provision that prohibits insurers from charging higher premiums to people with pre-existing conditions.

But don’t be fooled. While the proposed legislation may appear to keep these key provisions of Obamacare alive, it’s an illusion. It is really designed to quietly kill them.

It might not flip the switch that executes the pre-existing condition provision, but it leads the condemned to the electric chair, straps it in, and hands over the switch to the states.

Why all the smoke and mirrors?

Because it is designed to create the false impression that Donald Trump is keeping his promise to retain the provision of Obamacare that prohibits insurers from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, while it is actually helping him break it.

Allowing states to waive out of the Obamacare Community Rating provision would be a drastic change of course back to the days when insurers were free to deny coverage to anybody.

DETAILS: The GOP's Latest Smoke And Mirrors Health Plan

Does Trump honestly think his smoke and mirrors will actually deceive us? And what is sadly hilarious is that his healthcare plan will hurt his supporters the most. Most reasonable people agree that what he should be focused on is fixing the glitches in Obamacare and stop all the "repeal and replace" nonsense. Trumpcare seems to be Trump's greatest obsession - but it will likely be his greatest curse.

For once go and get the real thing instead of just being told what to think by HuffPo or kos. Go get us the bill, or at least the outline.
The actual "McArthur" amendement that was released to CNBC from someone in Congress is here: Read the full health-care proposal memo here. Take a look at it and tell me how different it is from what you refer to as the "summation" of it.

Before you tell others to "For once go and get the real thing," make sure you've done so. The only real criticism I have for the Huff Post editorial's analysis is that it uses too many words to state what is patently clear from just reading the very simply worded (for now) McArthur amendment: what the McArthur amendment "gives" in its "Insurance Provisions" section, it allows the states to take away in the "Limited Waiver" section.

The design of the amendment allows states to discard all the provisions that insurers don't like and that insured people have insisted upon. For example the waiver based on health status. What is health status but one's pre-existing health condition? And what do states need to do to obtain the waiver? Three things:
  1. Ask for the waiver.
  2. Completely complete the forms that document the request for the waiver.
  3. Somewhere on the request form, claim that the waiver is requested to lower premiums. (There are other reasons a state can specify, but only reason is required.)
So now, let me ask you this. Look at the items noted in the "Limited Waiver" section of the amendment. Do you think that the premiums for an insurance policy that doesn't provide the noted coverages will be lower or higher than are the premiums for policies that do cover such things?

The point being that a state claiming that it wants a waiver so as to reduce premium costs is all but sure to receive whatever waiver it wants. At that point, residents of the state in question are at the mercy of the insurance industry's ability to "buy off" state legislators and governors and their administrations. That provision singlehandedly pushes campaign corruptions further down into the State and local level. I'm sure you can tell that insurance policies will cost more, in part, because as insurers spend more on lobbying and campaign contributions at state and local levels. If that thing gets enacted, I hope state government executives and legislators send "Thank you" baskets to their federal level cronies.

Allow me to go on the record here, any substantial changes will come at a political price and the Pubs know this. That's why it won't happen, some of them will be forced to fall on their sword for the Party.

Like I said, I know it backwards and forwards, pick a different opponent as I will school you.

You can do that by explaining just what you see as being "for the party" in the following statement you made:

any substantial changes will come at a political price and the Pubs know this. That's why it won't happen, some of them will be forced to fall on their sword for the Party.

In that statement it's unclear whether the party would prefer to see the bill pass or prefer to suffer the consequences of having the bill pass.

You can also, seeing as you know it "backwards and forwards," indicate whether the folks whom you predict will "fall on their sword" are at the state or federal level.

Like I said, I know it backwards and forwards, pick a different opponent as I will school you.

What "it" would that be? I mentioned many in my post and you haven't so much as made a vague effort, let alone clear one, to identify which of them you "know backwards and forwards."
 

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