kyzr
Diamond Member
He was a CIA asset, and there isn't one shred of evidence that says Carter was not loyal to the US.
There is MUCH of evidence Carter was a sketchy character constantly flying out to Moscow trying to make money in energy sector relate...whatever the fuck.
Don't know if FBI would have gotten the warrant if they played it straight, but there were PROPER FISA warrants on him well before he ever got with Trump's campaign, so your story about "not a shred!" is kinda ridiculous.
1. Carter was employed by Merrill-Lynch, he was not a free-lance wildcard double-agent working for Russian oligarchs. His Merrrill-Lynch supervisor had to know exactly what he was doing in Russia.
2. The fact that Carter Page flew to Moscow is NOT a crime, or even suspicious.
3. Carter Page graduated from the US Naval Academy
4. If there were warrants on him what did they find? Nothing. Which is why they had to get a new one, and it was very hard to justify, which is why the FBI had to lie to the FISA court to get it. The ONLY reason to get a new warrant was to illegally spy on the Trump campaign.
5. The IG found zero evidence that the FISA warrant on Carter Page was justified, which is why they falsified evidence. The FBI never charged Carter with anything, so that proves they only wanted to use Carter to spy on Trump.
1. You are not refuting that there was a legitimate basis for FISA warrants on this guy before he was with Trump campaign, so you can't tell us there was nothing conspicous about his behavior.
2. You are not refuting Carter made piss poor target to do any actual spying on the campaign...unless of course he left the campaign officially only to go straight to Moscow to do covert work for campaign, like setting up a back channel of communications.
If FBI wanted to spy on the campaign then Manafort and Gates would make much better targets because unlike Carter they were actually involved in the high level campaign strategy and had much more criminal baggage to justify the surveillance. Like the fact that they were undeclared foreign agents working for pro-Russia Ukrainian politicians.
1. Yes I'm refuting the FISA warrants on Carter Page. He is suing to get his reputation back. What does the FBI have on him that's legitimate to warrant surveillance?? NOTHING. In-fact he was a CIA asset!!
2. Using Carter the FBI could spy on anyone in the campaign using the "2 hop rule" whereby the FBI can spy on anyone he talks to, and anyone they talk to. Like you either have facts or you don't.....hint: you don't.
3. Manafort was not part of the campaign in the beginning as was Page, he was a "convention consultant vote counter" . The FBI should have warned Trump about Manafort like they warned Feinstein about her Chinese spy driver. They didn't warn Trump, probably to try and get something on him, anything on him, but they didn't, just ask Mueller. If Manafort was so bad why not warn Trump?
1. No you aren't, he may have a case about one warrant cited by Horowitz, but there has been nothing inappropriate found about original warrants on him.
2. Carter was not involved in high level campaign strategy, he was a foreign policy advisor and not a top one either, the way Flynn was.
3, Manafort and his aid Gates CHAIRED the campaign, it's straight crazy to say that they were not much higher level officials than Carter and presented far more interest in terms of actual political spying.
1. If the original warrants on Carter were valid or "warranted", he would be in prison for a crime instead of a free man.
What crimes did the "original" surveillance on Carter uncover? NONE!!!! He was never charged with anything! He was a CIA asset!!
2. The FBI found a chump (Carter Page) that served their purpose to spy on the Trump campaign using the "2-hop rule".
3. Corey Lewandowski was the campaign chair from January 2015 thru May 2016 when Manafort became the campaign chair, then Manafort was fired in August 2016 when Steve Bannon became campaign chair thru to the November 2016 election.
So Manafort was Trump's campaign chair for at most 4-months of a 22-month campaign, or about 18% of the campaign, not much.
What part of the FBI spied on the Trump campaign AND transition team with impunity don't you get? They didn't need any more authority, the FBI had the entire Trump campaign via Carter Page's bogus FISA warrant.
Corey Lewandowski - Wikipedia
Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign - Wikipedia