The Lazy Poor

[NYcarbineer]

They are already offered the same free "choice" as everyone else: a free public education that equips them with all the necessary tools to get a job (math, reading, writing). From there they can EARN their way towards college, apply for a few scholarships, or choose the military for the means to afford a more skilled education. The catch? They have to work hard and apply themselves. Do you honestly expect the more responsible people to pick up the tab for those with no initiative of their own to LEARN how to succeed in life? We each "choose" how successful we want to be, based on our willingness to educate and apply ourselves. You also begin to learn, when life's own experiences teaches you what opportunities are left for those who happen to turn away from that pursuit of an education.

Government in no way helps the poor by cradling and nurturing them whenever someone fails to take an active, accountable and a responsible role for their OWN life. Government is the enabler to poverty, with all their free government programs and offers (like cell phones). It's a form of entitlement reward that takes away the need to really have any personal initiative - creating a "government will simply do it" mentality.



One of our Founders sums it up best:

I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”
- Ben Franklin

After all that it shouldn't be hard for you to name the societies that have solved their poverty problems by keeping the government out of the business of helping the poor.

Give me that list.

Excuse me while I stand over here and LMAO.

Show all of us how Govt intervention has put a dent in poverty??

We taxpayers have been soaked for billions in the War on Poverty and yet Poverty is still here and doing a bangup business.

Loads of freeloaders out there and we taxpayers get soaked so they can sit on their asses and use OUR money.

Yeah. The War on Poverty is working so well. Your an idiot.

Why don't ask the author of this thread? She claims there is NO real poverty in America anymore. She's claimed it repeatedly.

Or, ask yourself, what's the difference, in terms of poverty, in someone who gets a public education, regardless of the ability to pay, Medicaid depending on their income, foodstamps depending on their income - those just for starters -

and someone at the same personal income level who gets NONE of the those things?

Which is poorer? Is that hard for you to figure out?

 

[poet]

" But Ms. Chic has a thing against blacks."

That is untrue, and merely your diaphanous pretext due to an inability to either understand, or counter the OP.

"...whites don't like her, any more than they like me."
I've never had any problems with any group.


You know why people take an instant dislike to you? ‘Cause it saves time.

No, honey. Your response is "pedestrian" and "simplistic". The very notion that you can be Asian and conservative, is an oxymoron. You're viewed as much an "outsider" as I am, stupid bitch. And like I'm going to take your word for anything, after you've posted propaganda by the likes of Star Parker and Thomas Sowell, both "black" conservative "white apologists". Who the fuck do you think is going to buy their nonsense, but white conservative ideologues who see you as an aberration, trying to assimilate. LOL

Yet you never deal with the truth of the conservative values system: Star Parker is happy and successful. Black.


Joseph Phillips, happy,conservative....black.


Exhibit #1....hostile, angry at everyone.....you.


You make my case.


So, what is to be said about one who chooses to be as you are?
Simply this:
So dumb, his dog teaches him tricks.

Star Parker???????? LOL

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Joseph C. Phillips???? I'm even more familiar with his right wing nut nonsense, as he was an actor on the uber-successful "The Cosby Show", in the 80's...proving that mediocre acting does not exclude one from making an ass of one's self in the 90's through the present.

 

[NYcarbineer]

"The Constitution cannot function unless it is interpreted; ..."



You didn't get a copy in English???

That explains a lot....

That's funny coming from someone who once claimed that the Constitution should be interpreted as protecting the personhood of the fetus based on something said in the Declaration of Indpendence.

That's your spin on what I said.
Provide it.

If you know what you said, why do I need to provide it?

You also cited the 9th amendment as a source of unenumerated rights, and that DEFINITELY requires interpretation on the part of the Court.

So what's your problem, again, with the role of the Supreme Court interpreting the Constitution?

 

[koshergrl]

No, she said provide the quote that shows she said what you said she said, because she maintains that she didn't say that.

And your response makes it clear that you know she didn't.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The top 3 government expenditures on the 'poor', or 'low income Americans' if you prefer,

are education, healthcare, and food.

Eliminate all of them, and tell me how when where and why America becomes a better place.

Each is socialism, each is redistribution of wealth, each is taxation on the haves given to the havenots or have less's.

Each is reviled by Conservatism for those very reasons.

 

[koshergrl]

Oh god, not this "everything = redistribution of wealth so you can't object to redistribution of wealth" shit again.

Can you please move on to a real argument?

 

[koshergrl]

I've been gone for days and you're still spouting the same retardisms that you were spouting when I left.

 

[koshergrl]

Evolve. Move on. Get some new material.

 

[Freemason9]

Oh god, not this "everything = redistribution of wealth so you can't object to redistribution of wealth" shit again.

Can you please move on to a real argument?

Again, allow me to gently remind you of Bastille Day. Be careful when you decide how harshly you should treat the "servant class."

 

[Freemason9]

No one is entitled to someone else's income. That's theft. And more & more Americans are getting fed up. Businesses don't want to pay em and Big Brother wants to steal more & more from em. What do they do? Who do they turn to? Desperate frustration is setting in amongst the masses.

The reality, though, has nothing to do with "entitlement," however you might choose to define it. The reality has much more to do with torches and pitchforks--because if you decide that feudal society, or a right wing monarchy is more "deserving" of wealth, you may find yourself facing "La Guillotine" at some point. "The masses" tend to become upset after inequality reaches a certain level.

 

[Spoonman]

Oh god, not this "everything = redistribution of wealth so you can't object to redistribution of wealth" shit again.

Can you please move on to a real argument?

Again, allow me to gently remind you of Bastille Day. Be careful when you decide how harshly you should treat the "servant class."

at least those servants worked the fields. our servant class just takes free handouts

 

[koshergrl]

I don't treat the servant class harshly. I am the servant class, so socialist retards need to stay away.

 

[Spoonman]

The top 3 government expenditures on the 'poor', or 'low income Americans' if you prefer,

are education, healthcare, and food.

Eliminate all of them, and tell me how when where and why America becomes a better place.

Each is socialism, each is redistribution of wealth, each is taxation on the haves given to the havenots or have less's.

Each is reviled by Conservatism for those very reasons.

we solve our immigration problem

 

[kwc57]

Self loathing is so unbecoming.

Yup.

I wonder if there is any word that has negative connotations which isn't a "code" word for blacks in the eyes of the PC Police.

.

"The lazy poor"?????? Who could they possibly be referring to? WASP's? You seem to think people are stupid, and can't recognize code when it appears. Get a better code, if you don't want people to know who you're referring to.

I consider the lazy poor to be exactly what it says......the lazy poor. Those who are poor due to laziness. I include my very white nephew in that count as he doesn't have a pot to piss in because he's a damned lazy assed individual. Get the chip of your shoulder. If it doesn't apply to you, you have nothing to worry about.

 

[koshergrl]

No one is entitled to someone else's income. That's theft. And more & more Americans are getting fed up. Businesses don't want to pay em and Big Brother wants to steal more & more from em. What do they do? Who do they turn to? Desperate frustration is setting in amongst the masses.

The reality, though, has nothing to do with "entitlement," however you might choose to define it. The reality has much more to do with torches and pitchforks--because if you decide that feudal society, or a right wing monarchy is more "deserving" of wealth, you may find yourself facing "La Guillotine" at some point. "The masses" tend to become upset after inequality reaches a certain level.

Shut the fuck up, hysteric. To compare the poor of the US today with the oppressed and starving hordes in France during the Revolution, or the starving people of Russia and China is ridiculous. There is no comparison. So take your rabble rousing bullshit, and peddle it in the grade schools, where you have a captive audience that doesn't know better.

 

[kwc57]

The top 3 government expenditures on the 'poor', or 'low income Americans' if you prefer,

are education, healthcare, and food.

Eliminate all of them, and tell me how when where and why America becomes a better place.

Each is socialism, each is redistribution of wealth, each is taxation on the haves given to the havenots or have less's.

Each is reviled by Conservatism for those very reasons.

And yet we still have the ignorant, sick and hungry around after all these years. Go figure.

 

[Freemason9]

Oh god, not this "everything = redistribution of wealth so you can't object to redistribution of wealth" shit again.

Can you please move on to a real argument?

Again, allow me to gently remind you of Bastille Day. Be careful when you decide how harshly you should treat the "servant class."

at least those servants worked the fields. our servant class just takes free handouts

No, your so-called "free handouts" are the wages they draw for remaining servants. This is what we pay them to keep them from building guillotines.

 

[Freemason9]

No one is entitled to someone else's income. That's theft. And more & more Americans are getting fed up. Businesses don't want to pay em and Big Brother wants to steal more & more from em. What do they do? Who do they turn to? Desperate frustration is setting in amongst the masses.

The reality, though, has nothing to do with "entitlement," however you might choose to define it. The reality has much more to do with torches and pitchforks--because if you decide that feudal society, or a right wing monarchy is more "deserving" of wealth, you may find yourself facing "La Guillotine" at some point. "The masses" tend to become upset after inequality reaches a certain level.

Shut the fuck up, hysteric. To compare the poor of the US today with the oppressed and starving hordes in France during the Revolution, or the starving people of Russia and China is ridiculous. There is no comparison. So take your rabble rousing bullshit, and peddle it in the grade schools, where you have a captive audience that doesn't know better.

There you go, heading straight for the ditch again. There's an expression, you know--"give 'em enough rope." I'd say your people are real rope gatherers.

 

[PoliticalChic]

After all that it shouldn't be hard for you to name the societies that have solved their poverty problems by keeping the government out of the business of helping the poor.

Give me that list.

Excuse me while I stand over here and LMAO.

Show all of us how Govt intervention has put a dent in poverty??

We taxpayers have been soaked for billions in the War on Poverty and yet Poverty is still here and doing a bangup business.

Loads of freeloaders out there and we taxpayers get soaked so they can sit on their asses and use OUR money.

Yeah. The War on Poverty is working so well. Your an idiot.

Why don't ask the author of this thread? She claims there is NO real poverty in America anymore. She's claimed it repeatedly.

Or, ask yourself, what's the difference, in terms of poverty, in someone who gets a public education, regardless of the ability to pay, Medicaid depending on their income, foodstamps depending on their income - those just for starters -

and someone at the same personal income level who gets NONE of the those things?

Which is poorer? Is that hard for you to figure out?

Actually, your dishonesty is a gift for me.

It opens the door for me to smack you and provide the truth.

Example:
Your attempt to spin the truth and make it conform to your covetous, envy-centered view of the world- "Why don't ask the author of this thread? She claims there is NO real poverty in America anymore. She's claimed it repeatedly."

My posts actually rebut the socialist view of poverty, and explain that there is material poverty, which is practically non-existent in this nation....

...and there is social poverty.


The latter is increasing due to the encouragement of same by Leftist elected officials, and the spawn of the 60's.

1. The colloquial use of “poverty” implies a material deprivation, which hardly exists. But this is not to say that a poverty of social conditions does not exist, and this cannot be remedied with money. In fact, the root cause of this poverty is the perverse, counterproductive incentives arising from the welfare system itself.

2. Charles Murray’s “Losing Ground” documented this effect using social indicators such as work, marriage, legitimacy, crime, and alcohol and drug abuse, and showing how the massive increase in government welfare programs worsened the problem.

3. ‘Welfare’ as a wholly owned subsidiary of the Liberal government, and its main result is the incentivizing of a disrespect for oneself, and for the entity that provides the welfare. As more folks in a poor neighborhood languish with little or no work, entire local culture begins to change: daily work is no longer the expected social norm. Extended periods of hanging around the neighborhood, neither working nor going to school becoming more and more socially acceptable.

a. Since productive activity not making any economic sense because of the work disincentives of the welfare plantation, other kinds of activities proliferate: drug and alcohol abuse, crime, recreational sex, illegitimacy, and family breakup are the new social norms, as does the culture of violence.

b. "The lessons of history … show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit."

These searing words about Depression-era welfare are from Franklin Roosevelt's 1935 State of the Union Address.



Now, I realize that you will choose one or two words here and there to try to prove some fallacy or other....

.....but this is your method: the lie of omission.

It is a character flaw....and what you are.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The top 3 government expenditures on the 'poor', or 'low income Americans' if you prefer,

are education, healthcare, and food.

Eliminate all of them, and tell me how when where and why America becomes a better place.

Each is socialism, each is redistribution of wealth, each is taxation on the haves given to the havenots or have less's.

Each is reviled by Conservatism for those very reasons.

And yet we still have the ignorant, sick and hungry around after all these years. Go figure.

Tell us how things would be better if we didn't have those programs.