The Left's Unlikely Alliance with Islam

[CurveLight]

Christianity has already been proven to be compatible with Western Democratic values and beliefs. Christians did create the United States of America after all. Islam on the other hand,is not compatible with Western Democratic values and beliefs. That's why it's so bizarre watching Leftists viciously attacking Christians while embracing and defending Muslims. It just seems so delusional and hypocritical on their part.

Wtf? Why do you insist on inventing galactic layers of bowlshit to try and justify your partisanship? Here's helpful tip, just write "I fucking hate the Left" and c + p it into any thread you wish to follow. With the time saved, use it to exploit the net' to educate yourself then when you try to post an actual thought you will be able to use silly things like facts and logic to support your claims.

 

[logical4u]

The values of bloodshed and religion are quite the same for us as for the Muslims, and the U.S. used the concept of divinely-provided Manifest Destiny to sweep and disenfranchise the inhabitants of the West from their inheritance: Native Americans, Tejanos, Nuevo Mexicanos, Californios, and so on. The Muslims and we Christians are not much different that way.

Where we are different is that this nation, despite our failing as humans, managed to enfranchise the poor and the laborer and the peoples of color and the women. We were the first modern western nation to unlink a national church from the national government. I truly doubt that the Muslim Americans, who have lost some service personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan, are going to overthrow our values. The great majority have and will continue to embrace them. They are us.

Can you tell me why "our" soldiers aren't bringing home wives from the middle east? Until we went there, at every other country we fought, the men brought home wives from that culture. Why do you think that hasn't happened this time?

Immaterial.

Why, is that too much for your brain to process?
You want to declared Islam murders equal to Christian murders without listing numbers or statistics. I understand that would be inconvienent for your rants.
Lets compare the goodness Christianity brings compared to the goodness islam brings.
Are you ready? I'll start.
Christian missions in almost every third world country offering food, medical treatment, education, love and compassion (if you believe or not). Mother Teresa's order of nuns that sacrifice personally to serve the poorest of the poor. The Christians that volunteer to sit beside the dying (some old, some diseased, even HIV!). The Christian charities that are found immediately following any disaster, manmade or an act of nature. The Christan homes for pregnant women and abused women. The Christian hospitals that take any denomination patients.

That is a start. Honestly, there are too many to list. Your turn: list the muslim charities that have a proven track record for good (not the tax-deductible money that is given for jihad).

 

[daveman]

Christianity has already been proven to be compatible with Western Democratic values and beliefs. Christians did create the United States of America after all. Islam on the other hand,is not compatible with Western Democratic values and beliefs. That's why it's so bizarre watching Leftists viciously attacking Christians while embracing and defending Muslims. It just seems so delusional and hypocritical on their part.

Wtf? Why do you insist on inventing galactic layers of bowlshit to try and justify your partisanship? Here's helpful tip, just write "I fucking hate the Left" and c + p it into any thread you wish to follow. With the time saved, use it to exploit the net' to educate yourself then when you try to post an actual thought you will be able to use silly things like facts and logic to support your claims.

Perhaps you could just write "I fucking hate the Right".

 

[JakeStarkey]

Can you tell me why "our" soldiers aren't bringing home wives from the middle east? Until we went there, at every other country we fought, the men brought home wives from that culture. Why do you think that hasn't happened this time?

Immaterial.

Why, is that too much for your brain to process?
You want to declared Islam murders equal to Christian murders without listing numbers or statistics. I understand that would be inconvienent for your rants.
Lets compare the goodness Christianity brings compared to the goodness islam brings.
Are you ready? I'll start.
Christian missions in almost every third world country offering food, medical treatment, education, love and compassion (if you believe or not). Mother Teresa's order of nuns that sacrifice personally to serve the poorest of the poor. The Christians that volunteer to sit beside the dying (some old, some diseased, even HIV!). The Christian charities that are found immediately following any disaster, manmade or an act of nature. The Christan homes for pregnant women and abused women. The Christian hospitals that take any denomination patients.

That is a start. Honestly, there are too many to list. Your turn: list the muslim charities that have a proven track record for good (not the tax-deductible money that is given for jihad).

Forgive me. I will remember that "immaterial" counts as a rant. My postings have been organized, factual and effectively countered anti-Islamic "they are all evil Muslims" nonsense put out here. Yet nobody can counter my examples.

My point is this: American muslims pose no threat to America any more than, say, right wing evangelicals or fundamentalists.

 

[Rezonator]

My point is this: American muslims pose no threat to America any more than, say, right wing evangelicals or fundamentalists.

Really, StarkJerkoff? Then why in the world won't you answer this:

"All the Muslims are brothers of one another and constitute one hand as against the non-Muslims. The blood of every one of them is equal to that of others and even the smallest among them can make a promise on behalf of others." —Muhammad, 630 A.D.

"The Believers are but a single brotherhood." —Quran 49:10

"A Muslim has no nationality except his belief." —Syed Qutb

"In compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

"The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies—civilians and military—is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it . . . We—with God's help—call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema [Muslim scholars], leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the Devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson." —World Islamic Front, signed by Shaykh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Abu-Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, Shaykh Mir Hamzah, and Fazlul Rahman

"When you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately." —Hadith Sahih Bukhari 4:52:79:Narrated Ibn 'Abbas

"Mehrab [mosque] means the place of war, the place of fighting. Out of the mehrabs, wars should proceed. Just as all the wars of Islam proceeded out of the mehrabs. The prophet had sword to kill people. Our Holy Imams were quite militant. All of them were warriors. They used to wield swords. They used to kill people. We need a Caliph who would chop hands, cut throats, stone people. In the same way that the messenger of Allah used to chop hands, cut throats, and stone people." —Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him." —Quran 3:85

"I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.'" —Hadith Sahih Bukhari 4:52:196 Narrated Abu Huraira

"He who fights so that Allah's Word (Islam) should be superior, then he fights in Allah's cause." —Hadith Sahih Bukhari 1125 Narrated Abu Musa

"I asked the Prophet [Muhammad], 'What is the best deed?' He replied, 'To believe in Allah and to fight for His Cause.'" —Hadith Sahih Bukhari 3:46:694 Narrated Abu Dhar

"And fight them till there is no more affliction (i.e. no more worshiping of others along with Allah)". —Hadith Sahih Bukhari 6:60:40 Narrated Nafi'

"Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers." —Quran 3.151

"I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." —Quran 8:12

"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know." —Quran 8:60

"O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them." —Quran 5:51

"Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)" —Quran 9:5

"Islam wishes to destroy all states and governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and program of Islam regardless of the country or the nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and program." —Syed Abul A'ala Maududi​

WTF is it with your reading and comprehension skills, StarkJerky? Were you mentally crippled in public school or something?

To suggest that your quotations above characterize the great number of Muslims today is just wrong.

Hmmmm.

"All the Muslims are brothers of one another and constitute one hand as against the non-Muslims. The blood of every one of them is equal to that of others and even the smallest among them can make a promise on behalf of others." —Muhammad, 630 A.D.​

So, you're saying Muhammad is just a liar, StarkJerky? That apparently is what you're saying. So just come right out and say it. Or are you chickenshit? I think you're chickenshit. I think you'll imply it—but are too cowardly to come out and say it.

I don't know why you would be. I mean, according to your theory, there would be no death penalty imposed on you for calling Muhammad a liar. So let's see you practice your "principles," and come out and say it, chickenshit holier-than-thou-boy.

Here's why you won't answer it: you are a spineless hypocrite. You are fucking terrified to exercise First Amendment freedom of speech, and say what you actually meant, because you have been intimidated into not saying what you actually mean by the very people you claim pose no threat to America. They have cut out your tongue.

 

[Old Rocks]

I have yet to see a lefty address the point of the OP.

Why do you guys do all you can to stick your thumb in the eye of Christianity, but will bend over and take it to defend Islam and apologize for it?

One fucking dumb ass, aren't you. No one here, including the conservatives that defend the Moslems right to build the Mosque, are advocating Islam. What they are stating, and what you fools cannot understand, is that under our Constitution, all Americans have certain rights, rights not to be abridged because of their religion or politics.

There is a little matter of the 1st Amendment. If you believe that it can be thrown out at convenience of prejudice, then you obviously think that our Constitution is "just a Goddamned peice of paper".

 

[Old Rocks]

Christianity has already been proven to be compatible with Western Democratic values and beliefs. Christians did create the United States of America after all. Islam on the other hand,is not compatible with Western Democratic values and beliefs. That's why it's so bizarre watching Leftists viciously attacking Christians while embracing and defending Muslims. It just seems so delusional and hypocritical on their part.

No, Christians did not create the United States. Diests did.


The Christian Nation Myth


Whenever the Supreme Court makes a decision that in any way restricts the intrusion of religion into the affairs of government, a flood of editorials, articles, and letters protesting the ruling is sure to appear in the newspapers. Many protesters decry these decisions on the grounds that they conflict with the wishes and intents of the "founding fathers."

Such a view of American history is completely contrary to known facts. The primary leaders of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists. Deism was a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution. Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws. The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it. They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man. A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion. Deists did not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible.

These beliefs were forcefully articulated by Thomas Paine in Age of Reason, a book that so outraged his contemporaries that he died rejected and despised by the nation that had once revered him as "the father of the American Revolution." To this day, many mistakenly consider him an atheist, even though he was an out spoken defender of the Deistic view of God. Other important founding fathers who espoused Deism were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, James Madison, and James Monroe.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rezonator, I more than effectively answered your concern. Minority factions of Islam are violent. Minority factions of Christianity are violent. Both religions have violent histories. The American republic is more than resilient enough to accommodate both regions.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, Lib, Christian religion did not create the U.S. However, we are generally a nation of Christians. Generally, religious values (deistic and Christian) informed the principles of the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution was the instrument of the U.S. that made our country the first in the modern western world to not have a national church.

 

[CurveLight]

Christianity has already been proven to be compatible with Western Democratic values and beliefs. Christians did create the United States of America after all. Islam on the other hand,is not compatible with Western Democratic values and beliefs. That's why it's so bizarre watching Leftists viciously attacking Christians while embracing and defending Muslims. It just seems so delusional and hypocritical on their part.

Wtf? Why do you insist on inventing galactic layers of bowlshit to try and justify your partisanship? Here's helpful tip, just write "I fucking hate the Left" and c + p it into any thread you wish to follow. With the time saved, use it to exploit the net' to educate yourself then when you try to post an actual thought you will be able to use silly things like facts and logic to support your claims.

Perhaps you could just write "I fucking hate the Right".

Because I don't hate myself you dumbass.

 

[daveman]

Wtf? Why do you insist on inventing galactic layers of bowlshit to try and justify your partisanship? Here's helpful tip, just write "I fucking hate the Left" and c + p it into any thread you wish to follow. With the time saved, use it to exploit the net' to educate yourself then when you try to post an actual thought you will be able to use silly things like facts and logic to support your claims.

Perhaps you could just write "I fucking hate the Right".

Because I don't hate myself you dumbass.

You're the third "One True Conservative" on here. Oddly enough, they all seem to passionately defend the left every chance they get.

 

[CurveLight]

Here's why you won't answer it: you are a spineless hypocrite. You are fucking terrified to exercise First Amendment freedom of speech, and say what you actually meant, because you have been intimidated into not saying what you actually mean by the very people you claim pose no threat to America. They have cut out your tongue.

You're nothing but a hate filled fuckwad that thinks doing shitty copy paste jobs from sites like islamistheboogedyman means you are doing something. We get it, you don't like islam. What else ya got you whine bag?

 

[CurveLight]

Perhaps you could just write "I fucking hate the Right".

Because I don't hate myself you dumbass.

You're the third "One True Conservative" on here. Oddly enough, they all seem to passionately defend the left every chance they get.

I never claimed to be the OTC you dumbass and if you had even an inkling of knowledge you would understand the world is not black and white as well as being able to comprehend the difference between partisanship and honesty. If you don't think I am a convservative then start a thread explaining why am not and I will consistently bitch slap you out of your own stoopidity. Of course you won't because you are a coward.

 

[daveman]

I never claimed to be the OTC you dumbass and if you had even an inkling of knowledge you would understand the world is not black and white as well as being able to comprehend the difference between partisanship and honesty. If you don't think I am a convservative then start a thread explaining why am not and I will consistently bitch slap you out of your own stoopidity. Of course you won't because you are a coward.

Coward? No. I just don't give a shit.

Continue to cheerlead for the left. Pretend you're a conservative. It's amusing.

 

[midcan5]

This article hits the nail right on the head in my estimation. What do you think?

Rest of the OP here: American Thinker: The Left's Unlikely Alliance with Islam

Who reads this nonsense, who writes it? On the one hand the left is an anti religious secular atheistic group of socialist Marxists, and on the other hand in bed with a major religion. If the right had 10 or 15 brain cells between them they'd recognize this contradiction.

The left, in protecting the rights of the New York Muslim Center are protecting the religious rights that are the foundation of the American experiment. Those opposing it represent sentiments that are anti American.


"Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. Thus people haunted by the purposelessness of their lives try to find a new content not only by dedicating themselves to a holy cause but also by nursing a fanatical grievance." Eric Hoffer

 

[Hister]

This article hits the nail right on the head in my estimation. What do you think?

Rest of the OP here: American Thinker: The Left's Unlikely Alliance with Islam

Who reads this nonsense, who writes it? On the one hand the left is an anti religious secular atheistic group of socialist Marxists, and on the other hand in bed with a major religion. If the right had 10 or 15 brain cells between them they'd recognize this contradiction.

The left, in protecting the rights of the New York Muslim Center are protecting the religious rights that are the foundation of the American experiment. Those opposing it are anti American values.


"Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. Thus people haunted by the purposelessness of their lives try to find a new content not only by dedicating themselves to a holy cause but also by nursing a fanatical grievance." Eric Hoffer

So religious freedom means the 9/11 bombers were just exercising their constitutional right to freedom of religion?

 

[CurveLight]

This article hits the nail right on the head in my estimation. What do you think?

Rest of the OP here: American Thinker: The Left's Unlikely Alliance with Islam

Who reads this nonsense, who writes it? On the one hand the left is an anti religious secular atheistic group of socialist Marxists, and on the other hand in bed with a major religion. If the right had 10 or 15 brain cells between them they'd recognize this contradiction.

The left, in protecting the rights of the New York Muslim Center are protecting the religious rights that are the foundation of the American experiment. Those opposing it are anti American values.


"Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. Thus people haunted by the purposelessness of their lives try to find a new content not only by dedicating themselves to a holy cause but also by nursing a fanatical grievance." Eric Hoffer

So religious freedom means the 9/11 bombers were just exercising their constitutional right to freedom of religion?

Why don't you quote just one of the 19 hijackers stating why it was done? I'm only asking for 1 quote out of 19 people. Surely you can do that.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

I never claimed to be the OTC you dumbass and if you had even an inkling of knowledge you would understand the world is not black and white as well as being able to comprehend the difference between partisanship and honesty. If you don't think I am a convservative then start a thread explaining why am not and I will consistently bitch slap you out of your own stoopidity. Of course you won't because you are a coward.

Coward? No. I just don't give a shit.

Continue to cheerlead for the left. Pretend you're a conservative. It's amusing.

It would be amusing if the insults were creative or varied, he is a crashing moronic bore.He has one distinction.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-flame-zone/122747-curvelight-wins-the-internet.html

 

[Hister]

Who reads this nonsense, who writes it? On the one hand the left is an anti religious secular atheistic group of socialist Marxists, and on the other hand in bed with a major religion. If the right had 10 or 15 brain cells between them they'd recognize this contradiction.

The left, in protecting the rights of the New York Muslim Center are protecting the religious rights that are the foundation of the American experiment. Those opposing it are anti American values.


"Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. Thus people haunted by the purposelessness of their lives try to find a new content not only by dedicating themselves to a holy cause but also by nursing a fanatical grievance." Eric Hoffer

So religious freedom means the 9/11 bombers were just exercising their constitutional right to freedom of religion?

Why don't you quote just one of the 19 hijackers stating why it was done? I'm only asking for 1 quote out of 19 people. Surely you can do that.

I guess all the times they yelled "ALLAH AKBAR!" doesn't count?

 

[CurveLight]

So religious freedom means the 9/11 bombers were just exercising their constitutional right to freedom of religion?

Why don't you quote just one of the 19 hijackers stating why it was done? I'm only asking for 1 quote out of 19 people. Surely you can do that.

I guess all the times they yelled "ALLAH AKBAR!" doesn't count?

You specifically cited 9/11 bombers so once again, provide one quote from just one bomber saying why he did it.