The liberal march towards EXTREME fascism

[P@triot]

You have no...plans to dominate

I am exceedingly proud that I have no plans to “dominate”. I plan to ensure that liberty survives and thrives. I’ve already won. The left just isn’t intelligent enough to know it yet.

 

[P@triot]

Of course they did, they even wrote it in the federal doctrine.

You mean the one that explicitly limited the federal government to 18 enumerated powers? Not one of which includes “welfare” of any kind.

 

[regent]

America has had welfare since the Constitution, and even before.

Are you suggesting they didn't?

 

[P@triot]

America has had welfare since the Constitution, and even before.

Are you suggesting they didn't?

There is no “suggestion” about it. America has had charity since the U.S. Constitution. But welfare? That’s literally more absurd than claiming that America has had the NFL since the U.S. Constitution.

 

[danielpalos]

Of course they did, they even wrote it in the federal doctrine.

You mean the one that explicitly limited the federal government to 18 enumerated powers? Not one of which includes “welfare” of any kind.

The powers to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States, are general powers. They are not major or common powers, except for the common defense.

 

[P@triot]

Of course they did, they even wrote it in the federal doctrine.

You mean the one that explicitly limited the federal government to 18 enumerated powers? Not one of which includes “welfare” of any kind.

The powers to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States, are general powers.

Except that there are no “general powers”. There never were. Thanks for playing.

 

[regent]

America has had welfare since the Constitution, and even before.

Are you suggesting they didn't?

There is no “suggestion” about it. America has had charity since the U.S. Constitution. But welfare? That’s literally more absurd than claiming that America has had the NFL since the U.S. Constitution.

Does America have welfare now? Did it have welfare during the Great Depression. Of course if you make the definitions, for welfare, as has been done with fascism, you can define most things and declare your definitions correct. So we should start with your definition of welfare. What is welfare, what is charity? We can leave the NFL for later.

 

[P@triot]

Does America have welfare now?

If you have to ask a question that rudimentary, you really shouldn’t be here.

 

[P@triot]

Of course if you make the definitions, for welfare, as has been done with fascism, you can define most things and declare your definitions correct.

I know how much facts irritate you Regent...but...here is yet another PhD confirming what rational people already know: that fascism is totalitarianism - which is exclusively left-wing and completely incompatible with the right-wing ideology.

 

[bripat9643]

America has had welfare since the Constitution, and even before.

Are you suggesting they didn't?

There is no “suggestion” about it. America has had charity since the U.S. Constitution. But welfare? That’s literally more absurd than claiming that America has had the NFL since the U.S. Constitution.

Does America have welfare now? Did it have welfare during the Great Depression. Of course if you make the definitions, for welfare, as has been done with fascism, you can define most things and declare your definitions correct. So we should start with your definition of welfare. What is welfare, what is charity? We can leave the NFL for later.

Charity is voluntary. Paying for welfare is compulsory.

 

[danielpalos]

Of course they did, they even wrote it in the federal doctrine.

You mean the one that explicitly limited the federal government to 18 enumerated powers? Not one of which includes “welfare” of any kind.

The powers to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States, are general powers.

Except that there are no “general powers”. There never were. Thanks for playing.

Yes, they are. Why do you believe they are not the general powers delegated by the People, to Congress?

 

[danielpalos]

America has had welfare since the Constitution, and even before.

Are you suggesting they didn't?

There is no “suggestion” about it. America has had charity since the U.S. Constitution. But welfare? That’s literally more absurd than claiming that America has had the NFL since the U.S. Constitution.

Does America have welfare now? Did it have welfare during the Great Depression. Of course if you make the definitions, for welfare, as has been done with fascism, you can define most things and declare your definitions correct. So we should start with your definition of welfare. What is welfare, what is charity? We can leave the NFL for later.

did you know that Both terms, promote and provide are used in reference to the general welfare but not the common defense?

 

[danielpalos]

Of course if you make the definitions, for welfare, as has been done with fascism, you can define most things and declare your definitions correct.

I know how much facts irritate you Regent...but...here is yet another PhD confirming what rational people already know: that fascism is totalitarianism - which is exclusively left-wing and completely incompatible with the right-wing ideology.

yes, your right wing alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are incompatible with the left, because the right wing refuses to pay higher tax rates for them.

 

[danielpalos]

America has had welfare since the Constitution, and even before.

Are you suggesting they didn't?

There is no “suggestion” about it. America has had charity since the U.S. Constitution. But welfare? That’s literally more absurd than claiming that America has had the NFL since the U.S. Constitution.

Does America have welfare now? Did it have welfare during the Great Depression. Of course if you make the definitions, for welfare, as has been done with fascism, you can define most things and declare your definitions correct. So we should start with your definition of welfare. What is welfare, what is charity? We can leave the NFL for later.

Charity is voluntary. Paying for welfare is compulsory.

Your point? It is a Power delegated to Congress for the benefit of the People of our Republic.

 

[P@triot]

Yes, they are. Why do you believe they are not the general powers delegated by the People, to Congress?

1. Because there were no “general” powers ever granted

2. It as a legal document made by the greatest legal minds of that time. They didn’t half-ass it with “general” powers.

3. They clearly and explicitly restricted the federal government to 18 enumerated powers. They didn’t leave the slightest shred of doubt about the fact that the states retained all of the power and they were delegating 18 specific items to the federal government because it made sense to be completely united in those 18 items and to have them centrally managed.

4. A government with “general” powers is a government with unlimited powers. A fact that I’ve illustrated many times (and which you’ve run from like the disingenuous troll that you are).

5. I’ve proven you wrong hundreds of times by quoting Thomas Jefferson who specifically addressed this on two different occasions to clarify exactly what the founders position was and what the U.S. Constitution said.

 

[danielpalos]

Yes, they are. Why do you believe they are not the general powers delegated by the People, to Congress?

1. Because there were no “general” powers ever granted

2. It as a legal document made by the greatest legal minds of that time. They didn’t half-ass it with “general” powers.

3. They clearly and explicitly restricted the federal government to 18 enumerated powers. They didn’t leave the slightest shred of doubt about the fact that the states retained all of the power and they were delegating 18 specific items to the federal government because it made sense to be completely united in those 18 items and to have them centrally managed.

4. A government with “general” powers is a government with unlimited powers. A fact that I’ve illustrated many times (and which you’ve run from like the disingenuous troll that you are).

5. I’ve proven you wrong hundreds of times by quoting Thomas Jefferson who specifically addressed this on two different occasions to clarify exactly what the founders position was and what the U.S. Constitution said.

It is, specifically for the general welfare since it is specifically the power delegated for the general, not common welfare.

 

[P@triot]

It is, specifically for the general welfare since it is specifically the power delegated for the general, not common welfare.

That may be the most illiterate statement ever made on USMB. “Specifically the power delegated for the general”? Are you freaking kidding me?

Here’s the thing - the federal government was delegated (key word) 18 enumerated powers. Unless you can’t count, then there is absolutely no doubt that the “General Welfare” clause is not a power itself. It is a term to encompass what the federal government could do within their 18 enumerated powers so that the founders did not have to draft a 14,000 page document outlining everything the federal government could fund under defense, under the patent office, under coining currency, etc.

 

[P@triot]

This country has no central planning. So, when Mexico steps in and props up a Mexican majority fifth column to our demise, and then China decides to invade the weakened U.S.A, and colonize it for not paying back W Bush's War debt. We can blame Capitalist idiots for this all.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

This country has no central planning. So, when Mexico steps in and props up a Mexican majority fifth column to our demise, and then China decides to invade the weakened U.S.A, and colonize it for not paying back W Bush's War debt. We can blame Capitalist idiots for this all.

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You just don't get much of anything, because like most Liberals you're incapable of logical processes.

 

[danielpalos]

It is, specifically for the general welfare since it is specifically the power delegated for the general, not common welfare.

That may be the most illiterate statement ever made on USMB. “Specifically the power delegated for the general”? Are you freaking kidding me?

Here’s the thing - the federal government was delegated (key word) 18 enumerated powers. Unless you can’t count, then there is absolutely no doubt that the “General Welfare” clause is not a power itself. It is a term to encompass what the federal government could do within their 18 enumerated powers so that the founders did not have to draft a 14,000 page document outlining everything the federal government could fund under defense, under the patent office, under coining currency, etc.

That is the republican doctrine, not the federal doctrine.

When are the republicans going to be moral enough to bear true witness to their own doctrine, before criticizing others.