The most critical difference between the political right and the political left is...

[Coyote]

…what they believe with regard to the size and scope of government. To me, that is what defines one as being either right or left wing. Do you agree? If not, then what is it?

Republicans claim to favour small government, but yet it was Clinton and Obama was actually reduced the number of federal employees. Reagan massively increased the size of the civil service when the unemployment rate hit 6%, saying that it was necessary because government workers buy food, clothing and stimulate the economy too.

Republicans also over-burden government programs with excessive administration to reduce "fraud and abuse", but the increased costs of their fraud prevention efforts cost far more than the fraud they are purporting to prevent. I'm firmly of the opinion that Republicans overburden these programs administratively in the hopes of convincing voters that they're excessively expensive and inefficient. For example: drug testing of welfare recipients cost over $1 million dollars in one state, and they found a small handful of drug users and saved the state $100,000 per year.

Food stamps is another program that is expensive to administer. Why not just increase welfare payments by the amount of food stamps and end the wages and costs of processing and wage testing additional applications, send out monthly amounts to the states and adding them to the electronic cards?

Why not give people the pride of working for a living because they can. There's nothing like being like everybody else, and a little work never killed anyone. There are people too sick to work, no doubt about it, and single moms may need to be full-time housekeepers if they have more than 2 children, or just one special needs kid. Seems the current raise will be well received by those who really need help, but it's also beneficial that 700,000 people were glad to get better paying jobs and were given the incentives to get off welfare and work toward self-sufficiency. If something goes wrong, and the need a cushion, they have one. But some of those who are off welfare actually like to work if the pay raise is good enough.

There's a flip side to finding drug users and letting them know they need to clean up their lives and work toward living life without the crutch that drugs can be, incarcerating the user in a world where overdoses are killers, and dependents lose their childhood after that all too many times. If someone knows about their addiction, they can be encouraged to try life without addiction issues cluttering their lives and destroying their children's childhood.

Addiction is, I"ve come to realize in my own family - an illness, not a choice. No one takes the first hit or first drink and decides they will become an addict.

I think we need to remember that before telling them what they should be doing. I've never smoked and never done drugs. I have no idea how difficult it is to quite but for what I've seen and been told.

My sister's grandchild was barely a year old when his addicted parent was shot after being drugged out of his mind and refused to get off property the owner ordered him off of due to his bizarro-world drug behavior. That baby didn't deserve to lose a daddy due to drugs, and his teenage mother will need government support even more now. There are a lot of bad drugs out there that kill people or remove reality in their victim's brain. I hate those selling the crazy-maker drugs more this year than in the past.

An old friend of mine just buried his 28 year old son because of an OD, just a week before Christmas. No family should have to go through that.

No...they shouldn't . It is a huge huge problem...

 

[candycorn]

Meanwhile back in reality the government under your blob is further in debt than ever. And we’re now starting a comical “space force”.

And more educated Americans is a good thing.

So protecting our satellites from an enemy is comical. I see.
It's the new millennium, Candi, technology is advancing.

Wow, they were not protected before your blob got there?

BTW...where is our manned space program?

Uh....no they weren't protected before Trump, and they aren't protected now, Candi.
What does a manned space program have to do with this topic, darling?

founding a space force when we can’t put a human out there without Russian help

I think that's just why we need a space force, darling.
I certainly would like to stay ahead of the curve than try to catch up in the age of technology.
I know you and the choirboy Rightwinger mock that kind of thought.

I guess that’s a difference between the blob’s people and other Americans. El Blabo and his subjects are in favor of bigger government.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

…what they believe with regard to the size and scope of government. To me, that is what defines one as being either right or left wing. Do you agree? If not, then what is it?

THE most critical difference to me is the Right is pro-American and patriotic, the Left is anti-American and unpatriotic.

Wrong and arrogant.

Correct and PROUD of my country. A pride that very few, if any, liberal loons can honestly claim. You're welcome, as always.

I'm not all too proud to be American, and I'm a Right Winger.
I'm not too fond of Republicans, and I'm a Right Winger.
I'm not all fond of Capitalism, and I'm a Right Winger.

I'm scratching my head wondering why so proud?

I mean a ton of wars, genocides, slavery,
then
Affirmative Action, and Multiculturalism.

About the only height so called peak era I can think of was the Moon landing done by Nazi member scientist Werhner Von Braun.
Who did such by following the blueprints of Rocket-Science by Polish-Soviet Konstantin Ciolkowski.

A lot of the greatest intellects in America, were immigrants from Europe & or the sons of recent immigrants from Europe.

Tesla, Einstein, Oppenheimer, Ulam & Teller, Nikodem Poplawski, Enrico Fermi, Leo Szilard, Igor Sikorsky, Frank Piasecki, Henry Ford, Steven Wozniak, Steve Jobs, John Atanasoff, Richard Feynman, Albert Michelson, John Von Neumann, Henryk Magnuski, Karl Jansky, Frank Wilczek, Jack Szostak, Martin Cooper,

 

[candycorn]

Meanwhile back in reality the government under your blob is further in debt than ever. And we’re now starting a comical “space force”.

And more educated Americans is a good thing.

So protecting our satellites from an enemy is comical. I see.
It's the new millennium, Candi, technology is advancing.

Wow, they were not protected before your blob got there?

BTW...where is our manned space program?

Uh....no they weren't protected before Trump, and they aren't protected now, Candi.
What does a manned space program have to do with this topic, darling?

your blob isn’t protecting our satellites?

My blob and your messiah hasn't had the technology to protect the satellites, darling.
Hence......space force. If you don't think some countries aren't trying to gain the technology
to destroy orbiting equipment of other countries, you are either stupid, ignorant, or naive.
I'll let you choose.
We have a person in the WH that has the vision to protect us from the future weapons, and you
are too much a political minion to even understand. sad

Im sure you believe that. Thus is the same idiotic mentality that leads us to spending trillions on weapons we’ve never used and spending half of the entire amount spent world wide on defense.

you big spending conservatives are so full of shit

 

[Meister]

So protecting our satellites from an enemy is comical. I see.
It's the new millennium, Candi, technology is advancing.

Wow, they were not protected before your blob got there?

BTW...where is our manned space program?

Uh....no they weren't protected before Trump, and they aren't protected now, Candi.
What does a manned space program have to do with this topic, darling?

founding a space force when we can’t put a human out there without Russian help

I think that's just why we need a space force, darling.
I certainly would like to stay ahead of the curve than try to catch up in the age of technology.
I know you and the choirboy Rightwinger mock that kind of thought.

I guess that’s a difference between the blob’s people and other Americans. El Blabo and his subjects are in favor of bigger government.

If you haven't figured it out by now, Einstein, let me help. Both parties are in favor of bigger government. Sheesh, is she 8 years old?

Having said that, protecting our country, land, sea, air, and now space....is what our government was supposed to do.
Sorry that you're not equipped to understand that.

 

[Coyote]

I totally disagree with you on that - that is just another example of assumptions. The left supports abuse? Nothing below indicates a support of abuse. No one I know supports abuse. So where do you come up with this?

Let me put it this way. It's like me saying the right doesn't support safety nets. Is that true?

It's what you said. You said the right supports limited social safety nets that are private.

That isn't an issue of "the left supporting abuse" - largely it is an issue of lack of local enforcement of basic codes and - maybe more to the point - it ignores the many occasions of people NOT HUD who also strew garbage (I know, I've seen it). It's nothing to do with supporting abuse and it's not just HUD

HUD is the only agency that places people into homes. There is no reason our tax dollars should be supporting suburban living. If you want to live in the suburbs, then make enough money to do so. But what government does is suck up taxpayer dollars to provide great housing instead of just housing. Sorry, that's an abuse of our social safety nets.

DO they? I don't think so. I think the biggest complaint with these programs is bureaucracy.

And it's the bureaucracy that places them here, because they have all the money in the world--yours and mine.

And I would you say when you see that...what ASSUMPTIONS are you making?

For one - the cheapest food, and the most accessible food I food deserts is FATTENING. Do you have any idea how many grocery stores have closed in small towns that have lost population or cities that no longer support urban grocery stores.? So..you have to throw in she is 300 lbs. Why? So she has 4 kids - so WHAT? What do you know about her? She buys dog food - good for her. Dog's offer a lot of positive health benefits to people. You against that? Welfare doesn't pay for cigarettes and wine. But again - who are you to mandate that a person can't have something good like wine occasionally? You describe a textbook description - how often do you really see that?

I don't think anyone is for actual abuse. But I seriously question how much is stereotyping.

I throw in her weight because she's obviously eating way too much. Having an animal in your home is healthy? Since when? Ever notice how they clean themselves? You support this abuse as well. What you're saying is that you have no problem with taxpayers feeding her and her kids while she uses her personal money to feed her dogs and get drunk on beer or wine and smoking two packs of cigarettes. I do have a problem with that. If you don't have enough money for food, get rid of the dog, booze and cigarettes and feed yourself.

I think you make a lot of assumptions here.

Weight is a complex issue that isn't related to simply "eating too much" - as I pointed out there is also access to healthy food, affordability etc. I live in a state that has a lot of "food deserts". My town does not have a grocery store anymore - the best we have is a Dollar General and, now, a private butcher that also sells some farm produce in season. But that is new. It isn't an issue for me - I have a car. I can drive 30 miles to the a bigger town and go to Krogers. There are other communities in WV where driving to a grocery store is a lot longer - maybe 60 miles. Not everyone has a car. So what are your healthy choices? The cheapest food is usually extremely fattening. What I'm trying to say is you can't just look at someone and assume you know everything about her.

And yes, having a pet can be healthy. It's been shown to relieve loneliness, lower blood pressure etc. Maybe not for you, but for many others especially the elderly. Sometimes that is the only companion they have. Just because they are also poor, should they be robbed of that companionship? We're not talking about someone keeping a horse after all , but a dog or a cat.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Wow, they were not protected before your blob got there?

BTW...where is our manned space program?

Uh....no they weren't protected before Trump, and they aren't protected now, Candi.
What does a manned space program have to do with this topic, darling?

founding a space force when we can’t put a human out there without Russian help

I think that's just why we need a space force, darling.
I certainly would like to stay ahead of the curve than try to catch up in the age of technology.
I know you and the choirboy Rightwinger mock that kind of thought.

I guess that’s a difference between the blob’s people and other Americans. El Blabo and his subjects are in favor of bigger government.

If you haven't figured it out by now, Einstein, let me help. Both parties are in favor of bigger government. Sheesh, is she 8 years old?

Having said that, protecting our country, land, sea, air, and now space....is what our government was supposed to do.
Sorry that you're not equipped to understand that.

Protecting America being invaded by immigrants?
Or protect a certain country that shall remain nameless.

I'm sure 48% of the entire World's military budget is enough.

If we lose our country, its because of a Civil War, or Immigrants.

PS.
Thomas Jefferson was initially against a standing army, and is commonly quoted by Republicans / Libertarians.

 

[Norman]

…what they believe with regard to the size and scope of government. To me, that is what defines one as being either right or left wing. Do you agree? If not, then what is it?

THE most critical difference to me is the Right is pro-American and patriotic, the Left is anti-American and unpatriotic.

Wrong and arrogant.

Correct and PROUD of my country. A pride that very few, if any, liberal loons can honestly claim. You're welcome, as always.

I'm not all too proud to be American, and I'm a Right Winger.
I'm not too fond of Republicans, and I'm a Right Winger.
I'm not all fond of Capitalism, and I'm a Right Winger.

I'm scratching my head wondering why so proud?

I mean a ton of wars, genocides, slavery,
then
Affirmative Action, and Multiculturalism.

About the only height so called peak era I can think of was the Moon landing done by Nazi member scientist Werhner Von Braun.
Who did such by following the blueprints of Rocket-Science by Polish-Soviet Konstantin Ciolkowski.

A lot of the greatest intellects in America, were immigrants from Europe & or the sons of recent immigrants from Europe.

Tesla, Einstein, Oppenheimer, Ulam & Teller, Nikodem Poplawski, Enrico Fermi, Leo Szilard, Igor Sikorsky, Frank Piasecki, Henry Ford, Steven Wozniak, Steve Jobs, John Atanasoff, Richard Feynman, Albert Michelson, John Von Neumann, Henryk Magnuski, Karl Jansky, Frank Wilczek, Jack Szostak, Martin Cooper,

Yeah but the moon landing was pretty awesome though, and soon a Mars landing. Multiculturalism will be exported back to Brazil in time.

So yes you may be correct, still the best country ever.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

…what they believe with regard to the size and scope of government. To me, that is what defines one as being either right or left wing. Do you agree? If not, then what is it?

THE most critical difference to me is the Right is pro-American and patriotic, the Left is anti-American and unpatriotic.

Wrong and arrogant.

Correct and PROUD of my country. A pride that very few, if any, liberal loons can honestly claim. You're welcome, as always.

I'm not all too proud to be American, and I'm a Right Winger.
I'm not too fond of Republicans, and I'm a Right Winger.
I'm not all fond of Capitalism, and I'm a Right Winger.

I'm scratching my head wondering why so proud?

I mean a ton of wars, genocides, slavery,
then
Affirmative Action, and Multiculturalism.

About the only height so called peak era I can think of was the Moon landing done by Nazi member scientist Werhner Von Braun.
Who did such by following the blueprints of Rocket-Science by Polish-Soviet Konstantin Ciolkowski.

A lot of the greatest intellects in America, were immigrants from Europe & or the sons of recent immigrants from Europe.

Tesla, Einstein, Oppenheimer, Ulam & Teller, Nikodem Poplawski, Enrico Fermi, Leo Szilard, Igor Sikorsky, Frank Piasecki, Henry Ford, Steven Wozniak, Steve Jobs, John Atanasoff, Richard Feynman, Albert Michelson, John Von Neumann, Henryk Magnuski, Karl Jansky, Frank Wilczek, Jack Szostak, Martin Cooper,

Yeah but the moon landing was pretty awesome though, and soon a Mars landing. Multiculturalism will be exported back to Brazil in time.

So yes you may be correct, still the best country ever.

Werhner Von Braun was probably more Polish, than he was American.

Even though he'd be overwhelmingly a Nazi of German (Prussian) birth-right.

 

[Meister]

So protecting our satellites from an enemy is comical. I see.
It's the new millennium, Candi, technology is advancing.

Wow, they were not protected before your blob got there?

BTW...where is our manned space program?

Uh....no they weren't protected before Trump, and they aren't protected now, Candi.
What does a manned space program have to do with this topic, darling?

your blob isn’t protecting our satellites?

My blob and your messiah hasn't had the technology to protect the satellites, darling.
Hence......space force. If you don't think some countries aren't trying to gain the technology
to destroy orbiting equipment of other countries, you are either stupid, ignorant, or naive.
I'll let you choose.
We have a person in the WH that has the vision to protect us from the future weapons, and you
are too much a political minion to even understand. sad

Im sure you believe that. Thus is the same idiotic mentality that leads us to spending trillions on weapons we’ve never used and spending half of the entire amount spent world wide on defense.

you big spending conservatives are so full of shit

You will deny this direction until you don't.
When you get on your government paid cell phone and it's dead, you will understand.
When you turn on your TV with that bucket of popcorn and it's dead, you will understand.
When your Welfare check doesn't hit your bank account because it's dead, you will understand.
When your food stamp card doesn't work to feed your children from your baby daddies, you will understand.

It takes a good bitch slapping before people like you get up to speed. I'm just helping you get up to speed. Not sure you will get it, though

 

[Norman]

THE most critical difference to me is the Right is pro-American and patriotic, the Left is anti-American and unpatriotic.

Wrong and arrogant.

Correct and PROUD of my country. A pride that very few, if any, liberal loons can honestly claim. You're welcome, as always.

I'm not all too proud to be American, and I'm a Right Winger.
I'm not too fond of Republicans, and I'm a Right Winger.
I'm not all fond of Capitalism, and I'm a Right Winger.

I'm scratching my head wondering why so proud?

I mean a ton of wars, genocides, slavery,
then
Affirmative Action, and Multiculturalism.

About the only height so called peak era I can think of was the Moon landing done by Nazi member scientist Werhner Von Braun.
Who did such by following the blueprints of Rocket-Science by Polish-Soviet Konstantin Ciolkowski.

A lot of the greatest intellects in America, were immigrants from Europe & or the sons of recent immigrants from Europe.

Tesla, Einstein, Oppenheimer, Ulam & Teller, Nikodem Poplawski, Enrico Fermi, Leo Szilard, Igor Sikorsky, Frank Piasecki, Henry Ford, Steven Wozniak, Steve Jobs, John Atanasoff, Richard Feynman, Albert Michelson, John Von Neumann, Henryk Magnuski, Karl Jansky, Frank Wilczek, Jack Szostak, Martin Cooper,

Yeah but the moon landing was pretty awesome though, and soon a Mars landing. Multiculturalism will be exported back to Brazil in time.

So yes you may be correct, still the best country ever.

Werhner Von Braun was probably more Polish, than he was American.

Even though he'd be overwhelmingly a Nazi of German (Prussian) birth-right.

It was still Americans that put it all together.

Sounds like you have been having some black pills.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

The left wants to dictate and micro mange everything ...from what you eat to your healthcare ....

Well they do know what's best for you and yours ......derp

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I totally disagree with you on that - that is just another example of assumptions. The left supports abuse? Nothing below indicates a support of abuse. No one I know supports abuse. So where do you come up with this?

Let me put it this way. It's like me saying the right doesn't support safety nets. Is that true?

It's what you said. You said the right supports limited social safety nets that are private.

That isn't an issue of "the left supporting abuse" - largely it is an issue of lack of local enforcement of basic codes and - maybe more to the point - it ignores the many occasions of people NOT HUD who also strew garbage (I know, I've seen it). It's nothing to do with supporting abuse and it's not just HUD

HUD is the only agency that places people into homes. There is no reason our tax dollars should be supporting suburban living. If you want to live in the suburbs, then make enough money to do so. But what government does is suck up taxpayer dollars to provide great housing instead of just housing. Sorry, that's an abuse of our social safety nets.

DO they? I don't think so. I think the biggest complaint with these programs is bureaucracy.

And it's the bureaucracy that places them here, because they have all the money in the world--yours and mine.

And I would you say when you see that...what ASSUMPTIONS are you making?

For one - the cheapest food, and the most accessible food I food deserts is FATTENING. Do you have any idea how many grocery stores have closed in small towns that have lost population or cities that no longer support urban grocery stores.? So..you have to throw in she is 300 lbs. Why? So she has 4 kids - so WHAT? What do you know about her? She buys dog food - good for her. Dog's offer a lot of positive health benefits to people. You against that? Welfare doesn't pay for cigarettes and wine. But again - who are you to mandate that a person can't have something good like wine occasionally? You describe a textbook description - how often do you really see that?

I don't think anyone is for actual abuse. But I seriously question how much is stereotyping.

I throw in her weight because she's obviously eating way too much. Having an animal in your home is healthy? Since when? Ever notice how they clean themselves? You support this abuse as well. What you're saying is that you have no problem with taxpayers feeding her and her kids while she uses her personal money to feed her dogs and get drunk on beer or wine and smoking two packs of cigarettes. I do have a problem with that. If you don't have enough money for food, get rid of the dog, booze and cigarettes and feed yourself.

I think you make a lot of assumptions here.

Weight is a complex issue that isn't related to simply "eating too much" - as I pointed out there is also access to healthy food, affordability etc. I live in a state that has a lot of "food deserts". My town does not have a grocery store anymore - the best we have is a Dollar General and, now, a private butcher that also sells some farm produce in season. But that is new. It isn't an issue for me - I have a car. I can drive 30 miles to the a bigger town and go to Krogers. There are other communities in WV where driving to a grocery store is a lot longer - maybe 60 miles. Not everyone has a car. So what are your healthy choices? The cheapest food is usually extremely fattening. What I'm trying to say is you can't just look at someone and assume you know everything about her.

And yes, having a pet can be healthy. It's been shown to relieve loneliness, lower blood pressure etc. Maybe not for you, but for many others especially the elderly. Sometimes that is the only companion they have. Just because they are also poor, should they be robbed of that companionship? We're not talking about someone keeping a horse after all , but a dog or a cat.

Dogs and cats can be expensive. It's not just food, but after Commie Care passed, vet bills went through the roof.

What I am talking about here are necessities, not making life nice and easy for everybody. That's not what our federal government is for. And when our social programs have that explicitly in mind, it's not a wonder when those of us on the right are outraged by it.

Yes, I've seen this in my grocery story many times. When that happens, the grocery store should be allowed to contact the federal government and report what they experienced. Yes, I've seen that 300 lbs woman leave the grocery line after checkout and buy lottery tickets at the customer service window. I've been behind them leaving the store and watch them pack those groceries in a $40,000 SUV; something I could only dream of owning.

Why would healthy food be so expensive? What kind of items are you talking about here? Vegetables are relatively cheap, so are many kinds of fruits. A pot of spaghetti is only about five bucks or less to make, and it can feed a family of four, twice.

Now there is a new scam they dreamed up. They go to customers in the grocery line and ask if they can use their food stamps to buy some of your food. After they pay for your food, you give them the cash for your items they used for their food stamps. They usually ask to buy 40 bucks of your food, and sell it back to you for 30 bucks. Then they go back into the store and buy two 18 packs of beer.

 

[bluzman61]

Wrong and arrogant.

Correct and PROUD of my country. A pride that very few, if any, liberal loons can honestly claim. You're welcome, as always.

I'm not all too proud to be American, and I'm a Right Winger.
I'm not too fond of Republicans, and I'm a Right Winger.
I'm not all fond of Capitalism, and I'm a Right Winger.

I'm scratching my head wondering why so proud?

I mean a ton of wars, genocides, slavery,
then
Affirmative Action, and Multiculturalism.

About the only height so called peak era I can think of was the Moon landing done by Nazi member scientist Werhner Von Braun.
Who did such by following the blueprints of Rocket-Science by Polish-Soviet Konstantin Ciolkowski.

A lot of the greatest intellects in America, were immigrants from Europe & or the sons of recent immigrants from Europe.

Tesla, Einstein, Oppenheimer, Ulam & Teller, Nikodem Poplawski, Enrico Fermi, Leo Szilard, Igor Sikorsky, Frank Piasecki, Henry Ford, Steven Wozniak, Steve Jobs, John Atanasoff, Richard Feynman, Albert Michelson, John Von Neumann, Henryk Magnuski, Karl Jansky, Frank Wilczek, Jack Szostak, Martin Cooper,

Yeah but the moon landing was pretty awesome though, and soon a Mars landing. Multiculturalism will be exported back to Brazil in time.

So yes you may be correct, still the best country ever.

Werhner Von Braun was probably more Polish, than he was American.

Even though he'd be overwhelmingly a Nazi of German (Prussian) birth-right.

It was still Americans that put it all together.

Sounds like you have been having some black pills.

Well, Sobieski IS a bit dim. Just look at his avatar picture............

 

[Norman]

I totally disagree with you on that - that is just another example of assumptions. The left supports abuse? Nothing below indicates a support of abuse. No one I know supports abuse. So where do you come up with this?

Let me put it this way. It's like me saying the right doesn't support safety nets. Is that true?

It's what you said. You said the right supports limited social safety nets that are private.

That isn't an issue of "the left supporting abuse" - largely it is an issue of lack of local enforcement of basic codes and - maybe more to the point - it ignores the many occasions of people NOT HUD who also strew garbage (I know, I've seen it). It's nothing to do with supporting abuse and it's not just HUD

HUD is the only agency that places people into homes. There is no reason our tax dollars should be supporting suburban living. If you want to live in the suburbs, then make enough money to do so. But what government does is suck up taxpayer dollars to provide great housing instead of just housing. Sorry, that's an abuse of our social safety nets.

DO they? I don't think so. I think the biggest complaint with these programs is bureaucracy.

And it's the bureaucracy that places them here, because they have all the money in the world--yours and mine.

And I would you say when you see that...what ASSUMPTIONS are you making?

For one - the cheapest food, and the most accessible food I food deserts is FATTENING. Do you have any idea how many grocery stores have closed in small towns that have lost population or cities that no longer support urban grocery stores.? So..you have to throw in she is 300 lbs. Why? So she has 4 kids - so WHAT? What do you know about her? She buys dog food - good for her. Dog's offer a lot of positive health benefits to people. You against that? Welfare doesn't pay for cigarettes and wine. But again - who are you to mandate that a person can't have something good like wine occasionally? You describe a textbook description - how often do you really see that?

I don't think anyone is for actual abuse. But I seriously question how much is stereotyping.

I throw in her weight because she's obviously eating way too much. Having an animal in your home is healthy? Since when? Ever notice how they clean themselves? You support this abuse as well. What you're saying is that you have no problem with taxpayers feeding her and her kids while she uses her personal money to feed her dogs and get drunk on beer or wine and smoking two packs of cigarettes. I do have a problem with that. If you don't have enough money for food, get rid of the dog, booze and cigarettes and feed yourself.

I think you make a lot of assumptions here.

Weight is a complex issue that isn't related to simply "eating too much" - as I pointed out there is also access to healthy food, affordability etc. I live in a state that has a lot of "food deserts". My town does not have a grocery store anymore - the best we have is a Dollar General and, now, a private butcher that also sells some farm produce in season. But that is new. It isn't an issue for me - I have a car. I can drive 30 miles to the a bigger town and go to Krogers. There are other communities in WV where driving to a grocery store is a lot longer - maybe 60 miles. Not everyone has a car. So what are your healthy choices? The cheapest food is usually extremely fattening. What I'm trying to say is you can't just look at someone and assume you know everything about her.

And yes, having a pet can be healthy. It's been shown to relieve loneliness, lower blood pressure etc. Maybe not for you, but for many others especially the elderly. Sometimes that is the only companion they have. Just because they are also poor, should they be robbed of that companionship? We're not talking about someone keeping a horse after all , but a dog or a cat.

Dogs and cats can be expensive. It's not just food, but after Commie Care passed, vet bills went through the roof.

What I am talking about here are necessities, not making life nice and easy for everybody. That's not what our federal government is for. And when our social programs have that explicitly in mind, it's not a wonder when those of us on the right are outraged by it.

Yes, I've seen this in my grocery story many times. When that happens, the grocery store should be allowed to contact the federal government and report what they experienced. Yes, I've seen that 300 lbs woman leave the grocery line after checkout and buy lottery tickets at the customer service window. I've been behind them leaving the store and watch them pack those groceries in a $40,000 SUV; something I could only dream of owning.

Why would healthy food be so expensive? What kind of items are you talking about here? Vegetables are relatively cheap, so are many kinds of fruits. A pot of spaghetti is only about five bucks or less to make, and it can feed a family of four, twice.

Now there is a new scam they dreamed up. They go to customers in the grocery line and ask if they can use their food stamps to buy some of your food. After they pay for your food, you give them the cash for your items they used for their food stamps. They usually ask to buy 40 bucks of your food, and sell it back to you for 30 bucks. Then they go back into the store and buy two 18 packs of beer.

Often when people talk about eating more healthy, what they actually mean is simply eating LESS.

How could that be too expensive?

 

[Meister]

Uh....no they weren't protected before Trump, and they aren't protected now, Candi.
What does a manned space program have to do with this topic, darling?

founding a space force when we can’t put a human out there without Russian help

I think that's just why we need a space force, darling.
I certainly would like to stay ahead of the curve than try to catch up in the age of technology.
I know you and the choirboy Rightwinger mock that kind of thought.

I guess that’s a difference between the blob’s people and other Americans. El Blabo and his subjects are in favor of bigger government.

If you haven't figured it out by now, Einstein, let me help. Both parties are in favor of bigger government. Sheesh, is she 8 years old?

Having said that, protecting our country, land, sea, air, and now space....is what our government was supposed to do.
Sorry that you're not equipped to understand that.

Protecting America being invaded by immigrants?
Or protect a certain country that shall remain nameless.

I'm sure 48% of the entire World's military budget is enough.

If we lose our country, its because of a Civil War, or Immigrants.

PS.
Thomas Jefferson was initially against a standing army, and is commonly quoted by Republicans / Libertarians.

So screw the orbital infrastructure? I think that's what you're saying.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I totally disagree with you on that - that is just another example of assumptions. The left supports abuse? Nothing below indicates a support of abuse. No one I know supports abuse. So where do you come up with this?

Let me put it this way. It's like me saying the right doesn't support safety nets. Is that true?

It's what you said. You said the right supports limited social safety nets that are private.

That isn't an issue of "the left supporting abuse" - largely it is an issue of lack of local enforcement of basic codes and - maybe more to the point - it ignores the many occasions of people NOT HUD who also strew garbage (I know, I've seen it). It's nothing to do with supporting abuse and it's not just HUD

HUD is the only agency that places people into homes. There is no reason our tax dollars should be supporting suburban living. If you want to live in the suburbs, then make enough money to do so. But what government does is suck up taxpayer dollars to provide great housing instead of just housing. Sorry, that's an abuse of our social safety nets.

DO they? I don't think so. I think the biggest complaint with these programs is bureaucracy.

And it's the bureaucracy that places them here, because they have all the money in the world--yours and mine.

And I would you say when you see that...what ASSUMPTIONS are you making?

For one - the cheapest food, and the most accessible food I food deserts is FATTENING. Do you have any idea how many grocery stores have closed in small towns that have lost population or cities that no longer support urban grocery stores.? So..you have to throw in she is 300 lbs. Why? So she has 4 kids - so WHAT? What do you know about her? She buys dog food - good for her. Dog's offer a lot of positive health benefits to people. You against that? Welfare doesn't pay for cigarettes and wine. But again - who are you to mandate that a person can't have something good like wine occasionally? You describe a textbook description - how often do you really see that?

I don't think anyone is for actual abuse. But I seriously question how much is stereotyping.

I throw in her weight because she's obviously eating way too much. Having an animal in your home is healthy? Since when? Ever notice how they clean themselves? You support this abuse as well. What you're saying is that you have no problem with taxpayers feeding her and her kids while she uses her personal money to feed her dogs and get drunk on beer or wine and smoking two packs of cigarettes. I do have a problem with that. If you don't have enough money for food, get rid of the dog, booze and cigarettes and feed yourself.

I think you make a lot of assumptions here.

Weight is a complex issue that isn't related to simply "eating too much" - as I pointed out there is also access to healthy food, affordability etc. I live in a state that has a lot of "food deserts". My town does not have a grocery store anymore - the best we have is a Dollar General and, now, a private butcher that also sells some farm produce in season. But that is new. It isn't an issue for me - I have a car. I can drive 30 miles to the a bigger town and go to Krogers. There are other communities in WV where driving to a grocery store is a lot longer - maybe 60 miles. Not everyone has a car. So what are your healthy choices? The cheapest food is usually extremely fattening. What I'm trying to say is you can't just look at someone and assume you know everything about her.

And yes, having a pet can be healthy. It's been shown to relieve loneliness, lower blood pressure etc. Maybe not for you, but for many others especially the elderly. Sometimes that is the only companion they have. Just because they are also poor, should they be robbed of that companionship? We're not talking about someone keeping a horse after all , but a dog or a cat.

Dogs and cats can be expensive. It's not just food, but after Commie Care passed, vet bills went through the roof.

What I am talking about here are necessities, not making life nice and easy for everybody. That's not what our federal government is for. And when our social programs have that explicitly in mind, it's not a wonder when those of us on the right are outraged by it.

Yes, I've seen this in my grocery story many times. When that happens, the grocery store should be allowed to contact the federal government and report what they experienced. Yes, I've seen that 300 lbs woman leave the grocery line after checkout and buy lottery tickets at the customer service window. I've been behind them leaving the store and watch them pack those groceries in a $40,000 SUV; something I could only dream of owning.

Why would healthy food be so expensive? What kind of items are you talking about here? Vegetables are relatively cheap, so are many kinds of fruits. A pot of spaghetti is only about five bucks or less to make, and it can feed a family of four, twice.

Now there is a new scam they dreamed up. They go to customers in the grocery line and ask if they can use their food stamps to buy some of your food. After they pay for your food, you give them the cash for your items they used for their food stamps. They usually ask to buy 40 bucks of your food, and sell it back to you for 30 bucks. Then they go back into the store and buy two 18 packs of beer.

Often when people talk about eating more healthy, what they actually mean is simply eating LESS.

How could that be too expensive?

Yes, those bags of frozen cooked chicken are out of this world. So are TV dinners which I see many times in the food stamp grocery cart. It's not about eating better, it's about avoiding work to prepare a meal. That's why they eat so poorly.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Uh....no they weren't protected before Trump, and they aren't protected now, Candi.
What does a manned space program have to do with this topic, darling?

founding a space force when we can’t put a human out there without Russian help

I think that's just why we need a space force, darling.
I certainly would like to stay ahead of the curve than try to catch up in the age of technology.
I know you and the choirboy Rightwinger mock that kind of thought.

I guess that’s a difference between the blob’s people and other Americans. El Blabo and his subjects are in favor of bigger government.

If you haven't figured it out by now, Einstein, let me help. Both parties are in favor of bigger government. Sheesh, is she 8 years old?

Having said that, protecting our country, land, sea, air, and now space....is what our government was supposed to do.
Sorry that you're not equipped to understand that.

Protecting America being invaded by immigrants?
Or protect a certain country that shall remain nameless.

I'm sure 48% of the entire World's military budget is enough.

If we lose our country, its because of a Civil War, or Immigrants.

PS.
Thomas Jefferson was initially against a standing army, and is commonly quoted by Republicans / Libertarians.

I think Jefferson would not hold that view today. War back in his days were people grab their guns and go out to shoot each other. Today, many strategies have to be learned, you need to be physically fit, you need to understand and learn how to use technology to fight a war. Therefore a standing army is a necessity.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Wrong and arrogant.

Correct and PROUD of my country. A pride that very few, if any, liberal loons can honestly claim. You're welcome, as always.

I'm not all too proud to be American, and I'm a Right Winger.
I'm not too fond of Republicans, and I'm a Right Winger.
I'm not all fond of Capitalism, and I'm a Right Winger.

I'm scratching my head wondering why so proud?

I mean a ton of wars, genocides, slavery,
then
Affirmative Action, and Multiculturalism.

About the only height so called peak era I can think of was the Moon landing done by Nazi member scientist Werhner Von Braun.
Who did such by following the blueprints of Rocket-Science by Polish-Soviet Konstantin Ciolkowski.

A lot of the greatest intellects in America, were immigrants from Europe & or the sons of recent immigrants from Europe.

Tesla, Einstein, Oppenheimer, Ulam & Teller, Nikodem Poplawski, Enrico Fermi, Leo Szilard, Igor Sikorsky, Frank Piasecki, Henry Ford, Steven Wozniak, Steve Jobs, John Atanasoff, Richard Feynman, Albert Michelson, John Von Neumann, Henryk Magnuski, Karl Jansky, Frank Wilczek, Jack Szostak, Martin Cooper,

Yeah but the moon landing was pretty awesome though, and soon a Mars landing. Multiculturalism will be exported back to Brazil in time.

So yes you may be correct, still the best country ever.

Werhner Von Braun was probably more Polish, than he was American.

Even though he'd be overwhelmingly a Nazi of German (Prussian) birth-right.

It was still Americans that put it all together.

Sounds like you have been having some black pills.

Eh,
America might have put up the funds, but not the brains.

Wernher Von Braun was the main man behind the Moon Landing.
The first NASA rockets were German V2 invented by Wernher Von Braun the Nazi German.
The blueprints Von Braun followed mostly came from Polish - Soviet Konstantin Coolkowski.
Not to mention the Kondratyuk Loop Von Braun used by Yuri Kondratyuk a Ukrainian rocket scientist.

 

[Coyote]

I totally disagree with you on that - that is just another example of assumptions. The left supports abuse? Nothing below indicates a support of abuse. No one I know supports abuse. So where do you come up with this?

Let me put it this way. It's like me saying the right doesn't support safety nets. Is that true?

It's what you said. You said the right supports limited social safety nets that are private.

That isn't an issue of "the left supporting abuse" - largely it is an issue of lack of local enforcement of basic codes and - maybe more to the point - it ignores the many occasions of people NOT HUD who also strew garbage (I know, I've seen it). It's nothing to do with supporting abuse and it's not just HUD

HUD is the only agency that places people into homes. There is no reason our tax dollars should be supporting suburban living. If you want to live in the suburbs, then make enough money to do so. But what government does is suck up taxpayer dollars to provide great housing instead of just housing. Sorry, that's an abuse of our social safety nets.

DO they? I don't think so. I think the biggest complaint with these programs is bureaucracy.

And it's the bureaucracy that places them here, because they have all the money in the world--yours and mine.

And I would you say when you see that...what ASSUMPTIONS are you making?

For one - the cheapest food, and the most accessible food I food deserts is FATTENING. Do you have any idea how many grocery stores have closed in small towns that have lost population or cities that no longer support urban grocery stores.? So..you have to throw in she is 300 lbs. Why? So she has 4 kids - so WHAT? What do you know about her? She buys dog food - good for her. Dog's offer a lot of positive health benefits to people. You against that? Welfare doesn't pay for cigarettes and wine. But again - who are you to mandate that a person can't have something good like wine occasionally? You describe a textbook description - how often do you really see that?

I don't think anyone is for actual abuse. But I seriously question how much is stereotyping.

I throw in her weight because she's obviously eating way too much. Having an animal in your home is healthy? Since when? Ever notice how they clean themselves? You support this abuse as well. What you're saying is that you have no problem with taxpayers feeding her and her kids while she uses her personal money to feed her dogs and get drunk on beer or wine and smoking two packs of cigarettes. I do have a problem with that. If you don't have enough money for food, get rid of the dog, booze and cigarettes and feed yourself.

I think you make a lot of assumptions here.

Weight is a complex issue that isn't related to simply "eating too much" - as I pointed out there is also access to healthy food, affordability etc. I live in a state that has a lot of "food deserts". My town does not have a grocery store anymore - the best we have is a Dollar General and, now, a private butcher that also sells some farm produce in season. But that is new. It isn't an issue for me - I have a car. I can drive 30 miles to the a bigger town and go to Krogers. There are other communities in WV where driving to a grocery store is a lot longer - maybe 60 miles. Not everyone has a car. So what are your healthy choices? The cheapest food is usually extremely fattening. What I'm trying to say is you can't just look at someone and assume you know everything about her.

And yes, having a pet can be healthy. It's been shown to relieve loneliness, lower blood pressure etc. Maybe not for you, but for many others especially the elderly. Sometimes that is the only companion they have. Just because they are also poor, should they be robbed of that companionship? We're not talking about someone keeping a horse after all , but a dog or a cat.

Dogs and cats can be expensive. It's not just food, but after Commie Care passed, vet bills went through the roof.

What I am talking about here are necessities, not making life nice and easy for everybody. That's not what our federal government is for. And when our social programs have that explicitly in mind, it's not a wonder when those of us on the right are outraged by it.

Yes, I've seen this in my grocery story many times. When that happens, the grocery store should be allowed to contact the federal government and report what they experienced. Yes, I've seen that 300 lbs woman leave the grocery line after checkout and buy lottery tickets at the customer service window. I've been behind them leaving the store and watch them pack those groceries in a $40,000 SUV; something I could only dream of owning.

Why would healthy food be so expensive? What kind of items are you talking about here? Vegetables are relatively cheap, so are many kinds of fruits. A pot of spaghetti is only about five bucks or less to make, and it can feed a family of four, twice.

Now there is a new scam they dreamed up. They go to customers in the grocery line and ask if they can use their food stamps to buy some of your food. After they pay for your food, you give them the cash for your items they used for their food stamps. They usually ask to buy 40 bucks of your food, and sell it back to you for 30 bucks. Then they go back into the store and buy two 18 packs of beer.

Often when people talk about eating more healthy, what they actually mean is simply eating LESS.

How could that be too expensive?

Yes, those bags of frozen cooked chicken are out of this world. So are TV dinners which I see many times in the food stamp grocery cart. It's not about eating better, it's about avoiding work to prepare a meal. That's why they eat so poorly.

How do you avoid work if you are holding down two or three jobs?