The most fucked in the head opinion piece I have ever read to justify criminals.

You have to be kidding me hey politico THEY ARE CRIMINALS ...we are a nation of laws you numb nuts..


The ICE raids aren’t just wrong – they’re expensive


The ICE raids aren’t just wrong – they’re expensive

Does it make sense to spend $50,000 locking up someone for supporting her family?

This week, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement raided seven Mississippi food processing plants and arrested 680 workers for immigration violations. The moral cost of these raids to our shared humanity is apparent in stories like that of a tearful 13-year-old boy waving goodbye to his mother or an 11-year old girl pleading for her father’s release. But some people might feel differently, believing such scenes are just the cost of enforcing our immigration laws. If that’s you, I urge you to weigh another cost instead: the sheer financial expense of such cruelty.

First, there’s lost income. ICE was created in 2003 to “protect national security and public safety after 9/11,” but this week’s raids were not about security or safety or terrorism. They targeted immigrants while they worked to support their families and our economy. Many of the arrested individuals now leave behind jobs that won’t be filled and children and spouses who now live without a family member and their associated income. Their communities and local businesses will suffer down the line. And state and local governments will lose the associated tax revenues; undocumented workers pay an estimated $12 billion a year in taxes.

Then there are the costs of enforcement and detention. ICE Acting Director Matt Albence admitted that the raids required a yearlong investigation and 600 agents to execute. The 680 arrested individuals now languish in detention facilities. According to ICE, the average daily cost of detaining one person is $134. Some estimates place the cost at closer to $200 per day. Given this administration’s immigration policies, from family separation to zero tolerance to mass raids, the number of immigrants in detention is rapidly expanding, not retracting. For every person who leaves detention, another replaces them, if not two. Even using ICE’s conservative figure of $134, the cost of keeping one immigrant in detention is almost $50,000 per year. The detention expense alone for the group detained on Wednesday is approximately $100,000 a day, $3 million per month, and $36 million a year. Given that more raids are coming, these costs are only going to go up.

Leftists don't care about the laws. Until you come to grips with that this stuff will freak you out.
 
You have to be kidding me hey politico THEY ARE CRIMINALS ...we are a nation of laws you numb nuts..


The ICE raids aren’t just wrong – they’re expensive


The ICE raids aren’t just wrong – they’re expensive

Does it make sense to spend $50,000 locking up someone for supporting her family?

This week, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement raided seven Mississippi food processing plants and arrested 680 workers for immigration violations. The moral cost of these raids to our shared humanity is apparent in stories like that of a tearful 13-year-old boy waving goodbye to his mother or an 11-year old girl pleading for her father’s release. But some people might feel differently, believing such scenes are just the cost of enforcing our immigration laws. If that’s you, I urge you to weigh another cost instead: the sheer financial expense of such cruelty.

First, there’s lost income. ICE was created in 2003 to “protect national security and public safety after 9/11,” but this week’s raids were not about security or safety or terrorism. They targeted immigrants while they worked to support their families and our economy. Many of the arrested individuals now leave behind jobs that won’t be filled and children and spouses who now live without a family member and their associated income. Their communities and local businesses will suffer down the line. And state and local governments will lose the associated tax revenues; undocumented workers pay an estimated $12 billion a year in taxes.

Then there are the costs of enforcement and detention. ICE Acting Director Matt Albence admitted that the raids required a yearlong investigation and 600 agents to execute. The 680 arrested individuals now languish in detention facilities. According to ICE, the average daily cost of detaining one person is $134. Some estimates place the cost at closer to $200 per day. Given this administration’s immigration policies, from family separation to zero tolerance to mass raids, the number of immigrants in detention is rapidly expanding, not retracting. For every person who leaves detention, another replaces them, if not two. Even using ICE’s conservative figure of $134, the cost of keeping one immigrant in detention is almost $50,000 per year. The detention expense alone for the group detained on Wednesday is approximately $100,000 a day, $3 million per month, and $36 million a year. Given that more raids are coming, these costs are only going to go up.
Lol
Yep,
Illegal aliens are illegal aliens… They have no fucking right to be here and should be treated like the pieces of shit they are… Kids or no kids


Natives can hardly be considered illegal aliens compared to US citizens who are descendants of the most illegal European immigrants that ever existed.
Go read treaties like the Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo and you will see that we can not legally prevent immigration to the 7 states that used to be Mexico or Spain.

It's our country and we can make any laws we desire. If there are no borders, then there is no country.


Its not really our country.
The Native Americans never wanted us here, and we took over by force, murdering most of the actual owners.
You can say we have been here long enough to have some rights to it, but not to the 7 states we bought from Mexico/Spain, with treaties we signed that prevent us from interfering with total freedom of movement.

In fact, each state is more like a country, and the USA is just a federation of sovereign states.

In 1924 the US gave all Native Americans in the US citizenship, but that was really just an attempt to make us seem more legitimate. They were here first, so they get to decide who belongs were. We may have been born here, but we do not understand the land and are destroying it. We over populate, cut more trees than we plant, pollute, etc. We really do not belong anywhere, because we are irresponsibly destructive, to the point of being criminal.
 
these were WORKING undoc' immigrants, not welfare suckers...?

The left wants to turn them into welfare recipients by not following through with our laws and kicking them out. How long until you fight to give them access to welfare and turn them all into citizens?

*** In this very thread people are calling our border security laws illegitimate laws that should be broken.

Even without welfare they use our infrastructure and emergency services. They also send money out of the nation back to where they came from. They cost us even before you start fighting to give them welfare.

You have no respect for our nation or its laws. People like me are trying to stop people like you from pushing us down a slippery slope to appease your bleeding hearts. As logical people it is our responsibility to stop you overemotional types from ruining our nation with your good intentions.

It’s far more complicated than that.

These people that are here are economically and politically imbedded in our society. It’s very easy for people like you to say deport deport........ But ignored their importance and contributions to the booming economy.


*** Do you understand how this come about? Let me explain. Ugly inhumane disgusting Americans called illegal border crossing are criminals.
Decent Americans with a good heart and human being totally disagree with you. We do not called them criminals. So we ( not you) are going to change that law.


They're called illegal aliens in the law for a reason dumb ass.

.

Most or all Illegals crossing the borders are only seeking a better life. Not criminals like some of you defined.
Who cares what they are seeking? They weren't invited in.

They are all ready here. I’m sure you are scared.
Who cares what cockroaches think?
 
If you own agricultural farm and you cannot find workers that want to work or no one is applying.
Question #1. What are you going to do with your farm?

If you own a poultry or slaughter house and you cannot find workers or no one is applying?
Question #2. What are you going to do with your poultry farm?

These are very simple honest questions.

Pay a wage that Americans will work for. People want jobs and will work for reasonable wages. Saying "Nobody will do that job." is horseshit. Nobody will do that job for 5 dollars an hour under the table. Americans work all kinds of backbreaking manual labor jobs.

I’ve been through with these topics several times here in this site and in real life.
I personally know 2 farmers here in Ca and one in Arizona. They will not vote for Trump again.

What I’m telling you are real life no bullshit or horseshit. These illegals are are getting rare that they are demanding their rates nobody is getting paid $5. These farmers are willing to take any workers that apply.

You are absolutely correct. Pay wages that Americans will work. You probably talking about old timers. I still have several of them. Tough hard workers dedicated but they are getting old and retiring soon.

Let say you are willing to work at the farm picking strawberries or avocados. How much do you think are you willing to accept $16 $20?
1. How much do you think those strawberries or avocados will cost at the groceries?
2. With the heat, heavy lifting. How long are you going to last?
3. How far is your house to these farms? Are you willing to travel?
4. You probably wants break time, shoes or uniform.
5. And if you have a kid. Is your babysitting cost more?

For lousy $16 with all those factors. Will it be easier or cheaper if you just stay home or at works McDonald’s?





Here’s How Immigration Policy Impacts Your Avocados and Other Produce – Fortune

To attract workers, farmers are raising wages to well above the minimum wage, which in California is $11 per hour, especially in higher cost places like Napa, Calif. Farmers are also increasingly paying for H-2A visas for guest workers.


Tell the class why all the restaurants were crying about avocado prices when Trump threatened to put tariffs on Mexico?

.

You probably don’t even understand what that means.
 
these were WORKING undoc' immigrants, not welfare suckers...?

The left wants to turn them into welfare recipients by not following through with our laws and kicking them out. How long until you fight to give them access to welfare and turn them all into citizens?

*** In this very thread people are calling our border security laws illegitimate laws that should be broken.

Even without welfare they use our infrastructure and emergency services. They also send money out of the nation back to where they came from. They cost us even before you start fighting to give them welfare.

You have no respect for our nation or its laws. People like me are trying to stop people like you from pushing us down a slippery slope to appease your bleeding hearts. As logical people it is our responsibility to stop you overemotional types from ruining our nation with your good intentions.

It’s far more complicated than that.

These people that are here are economically and politically imbedded in our society. It’s very easy for people like you to say deport deport........ But ignored their importance and contributions to the booming economy.


*** Do you understand how this come about? Let me explain. Ugly inhumane disgusting Americans called illegal border crossing are criminals.
Decent Americans with a good heart and human being totally disagree with you. We do not called them criminals. So we ( not you) are going to change that law.


Say what, so you want to let in 5 billion people? To want open borders to let the world come here freely and trash America's limited resources ?


.

We never said that. NEVER. We do not have open borders. We do not trash America.

But making poor Americans pay more at the groceries and everything because of trade wars.

But seeing those kids crying while their parents being yank from them because of papers.

That is called TRASHING America. Seeing around the globe is very very disgusting.

Your cult leader scared you well. And You should ask your cult inept leader who is trashing America. All these crisis are fabricated by Trump.


Tissue? LMAO

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Using their logic we should allow all criminals out of prisons it cost too much to have murderers and rapists in jail. It costs too much to prosecute them. Obviously we would be better off to either do away with laws and justice altogether or we should just shoot every suspect, no trial, no jail.
Can't have it both ways. We either enforce laws or we do away with them.

I realize that there are crazies who want to pick and choose but things don't work that way in the real world.

The reason you are totally and completely wrong is that a criminal commits crimes, which are inherently evil and despicable acts, like rape, robbery, or murder. Looking for safety, income, opportunities, etc., is not inherently evil or despicable. In fact, it is smart, noble, proper, etc. So the problem obviously is that what immigration clearly should never be criminalized. It is wrong to pass a law against that which obviously is normal.
Lol. Doing it legally is in fact smart, noble, proper.
So you think that trying to sell someone the Brooklyn bridge is not wrong?
See the whole problem with no immigration laws is that it allows anyone to enter unhindered. Which means ANYONE. So you could be letting in mudrers, rapists or even suicide bombers.
So unless you think that we as a country have no right to feel free to go down to a local cafe without fear of being blown up. We have to pay those that do not have the means to support themselves. That we have no right to gun control or other laws then you may be correct. Unfortunately you are far from correct.


The whole point of a democratic republic is to try to ensure equality of opportunity.
It is elitist and corrupt to only take in wealthy immigrants, and not those who really need the opportunity.

Murders, rapists, and suicide bombers are all pretty much equal or better than what we have.
Look at our record, torturing mere suspects at Guantanamo, invading Iraq over obvious lies, and deliberately murdering about half a million innocent Iraqis with Shock and Awe, a deliberate war crime.
 
Most or all Illegals crossing the borders are only seeking a better life.

We do not have the means to provide a better life to all who seek one. That is reality.

We have 20 millions of them that are already here.

Yeah, no shit. How many will there be when left wing lunatics get their way with immigration?

You get me wrong. I’m only speaking for the illegals that are already here living with jobs following law.
 
You have to be kidding me hey politico THEY ARE CRIMINALS ...we are a nation of laws you numb nuts..


The ICE raids aren’t just wrong – they’re expensive


The ICE raids aren’t just wrong – they’re expensive

Does it make sense to spend $50,000 locking up someone for supporting her family?

This week, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement raided seven Mississippi food processing plants and arrested 680 workers for immigration violations. The moral cost of these raids to our shared humanity is apparent in stories like that of a tearful 13-year-old boy waving goodbye to his mother or an 11-year old girl pleading for her father’s release. But some people might feel differently, believing such scenes are just the cost of enforcing our immigration laws. If that’s you, I urge you to weigh another cost instead: the sheer financial expense of such cruelty.

First, there’s lost income. ICE was created in 2003 to “protect national security and public safety after 9/11,” but this week’s raids were not about security or safety or terrorism. They targeted immigrants while they worked to support their families and our economy. Many of the arrested individuals now leave behind jobs that won’t be filled and children and spouses who now live without a family member and their associated income. Their communities and local businesses will suffer down the line. And state and local governments will lose the associated tax revenues; undocumented workers pay an estimated $12 billion a year in taxes.

Then there are the costs of enforcement and detention. ICE Acting Director Matt Albence admitted that the raids required a yearlong investigation and 600 agents to execute. The 680 arrested individuals now languish in detention facilities. According to ICE, the average daily cost of detaining one person is $134. Some estimates place the cost at closer to $200 per day. Given this administration’s immigration policies, from family separation to zero tolerance to mass raids, the number of immigrants in detention is rapidly expanding, not retracting. For every person who leaves detention, another replaces them, if not two. Even using ICE’s conservative figure of $134, the cost of keeping one immigrant in detention is almost $50,000 per year. The detention expense alone for the group detained on Wednesday is approximately $100,000 a day, $3 million per month, and $36 million a year. Given that more raids are coming, these costs are only going to go up.

Leftists don't care about the laws. Until you come to grips with that this stuff will freak you out.

Laws are supposed to be about things that are inherently good or evil, like rape, murder, or theft.
Immigration is not inherently evil.
In fact, it is essentially an inherent individual right.
It is not legal to set tight quotas on Native American immigrants while allowing wide open immigration for Europeans.
 
They're called illegal aliens in the law for a reason dumb ass.

.

Most or all Illegals crossing the borders are only seeking a better life. Not criminals like some of you defined.
Who cares what they are seeking? They weren't invited in.

Yes they were.
Wrong. If they were, they would have a visa.

Business does not hand out visa's.


Tyson Foods Indicted in Plan To Smuggle Illegal Workers

Tyson Foods Indicted in Plan To Smuggle Illegal Workers

Indictment alleges conspiracy behind recruitment, hiring of undocumented workers in Midwest


FBI Reportedly Has Fake Green Cards Given to Undocumented Immigrants Working at Trump Golf Course
Who said they did. If they were invited, they would have a visa. Tyson foods doesn't have the authority to "invite" anyone.
 
If you own agricultural farm and you cannot find workers that want to work or no one is applying.
Question #1. What are you going to do with your farm?

If you own a poultry or slaughter house and you cannot find workers or no one is applying?
Question #2. What are you going to do with your poultry farm?

These are very simple honest questions.

Pay a wage that Americans will work for. People want jobs and will work for reasonable wages. Saying "Nobody will do that job." is horseshit. Nobody will do that job for 5 dollars an hour under the table. Americans work all kinds of backbreaking manual labor jobs.

I’ve been through with these topics several times here in this site and in real life.
I personally know 2 farmers here in Ca and one in Arizona. They will not vote for Trump again.

What I’m telling you are real life no bullshit or horseshit. These illegals are are getting rare that they are demanding their rates nobody is getting paid $5. These farmers are willing to take any workers that apply.

You are absolutely correct. Pay wages that Americans will work. You probably talking about old timers. I still have several of them. Tough hard workers dedicated but they are getting old and retiring soon.

Let say you are willing to work at the farm picking strawberries or avocados. How much do you think are you willing to accept $16 $20?
1. How much do you think those strawberries or avocados will cost at the groceries?
2. With the heat, heavy lifting. How long are you going to last?
3. How far is your house to these farms? Are you willing to travel?
4. You probably wants break time, shoes or uniform.
5. And if you have a kid. Is your babysitting cost more?

For lousy $16 with all those factors. Will it be easier or cheaper if you just stay home or at works McDonald’s?





Here’s How Immigration Policy Impacts Your Avocados and Other Produce – Fortune

To attract workers, farmers are raising wages to well above the minimum wage, which in California is $11 per hour, especially in higher cost places like Napa, Calif. Farmers are also increasingly paying for H-2A visas for guest workers.


Tell the class why all the restaurants were crying about avocado prices when Trump threatened to put tariffs on Mexico?

.

You probably don’t even understand what that means.


It means our economy needs immigrant labor because citizens don't know how to do agriculture, and don't want to learn.
 
Most or all Illegals crossing the borders are only seeking a better life.

We do not have the means to provide a better life to all who seek one. That is reality.

We have 20 millions of them that are already here.

There were more than 10 million native Americans back when Christopher Columbus landed, and we caused the death of over 95% of them.
disease caused the death of 95% of them. Europeans had no clue what caused contagious diseases, so it's disingenuous to claim the were morally culpable for those deaths.
 
If you own agricultural farm and you cannot find workers that want to work or no one is applying.
Question #1. What are you going to do with your farm?

If you own a poultry or slaughter house and you cannot find workers or no one is applying?
Question #2. What are you going to do with your poultry farm?

These are very simple honest questions.

Pay a wage that Americans will work for. People want jobs and will work for reasonable wages. Saying "Nobody will do that job." is horseshit. Nobody will do that job for 5 dollars an hour under the table. Americans work all kinds of backbreaking manual labor jobs.

I’ve been through with these topics several times here in this site and in real life.
I personally know 2 farmers here in Ca and one in Arizona. They will not vote for Trump again.

What I’m telling you are real life no bullshit or horseshit. These illegals are are getting rare that they are demanding their rates nobody is getting paid $5. These farmers are willing to take any workers that apply.

You are absolutely correct. Pay wages that Americans will work. You probably talking about old timers. I still have several of them. Tough hard workers dedicated but they are getting old and retiring soon.

Let say you are willing to work at the farm picking strawberries or avocados. How much do you think are you willing to accept $16 $20?
1. How much do you think those strawberries or avocados will cost at the groceries?
2. With the heat, heavy lifting. How long are you going to last?
3. How far is your house to these farms? Are you willing to travel?
4. You probably wants break time, shoes or uniform.
5. And if you have a kid. Is your babysitting cost more?

For lousy $16 with all those factors. Will it be easier or cheaper if you just stay home or at works McDonald’s?





Here’s How Immigration Policy Impacts Your Avocados and Other Produce – Fortune

To attract workers, farmers are raising wages to well above the minimum wage, which in California is $11 per hour, especially in higher cost places like Napa, Calif. Farmers are also increasingly paying for H-2A visas for guest workers.


Tell the class why all the restaurants were crying about avocado prices when Trump threatened to put tariffs on Mexico?

.

You probably don’t even understand what that means.


It means our economy needs immigrant labor because citizens don't know how to do agriculture, and don't want to learn.
ROFL! They can learn in a week.
 
Most or all Illegals crossing the borders are only seeking a better life.

We do not have the means to provide a better life to all who seek one. That is reality.

We have 20 millions of them that are already here.

Yeah, no shit. How many will there be when left wing lunatics get their way with immigration?

No shit.....

What happened to my post #213? No rebuttal?

I can safely say that you are ......... Scared, you don’t know what you are talking about or just plain economically ignorant.
 
Most or all Illegals crossing the borders are only seeking a better life. Not criminals like some of you defined.
Who cares what they are seeking? They weren't invited in.

Yes they were.
Wrong. If they were, they would have a visa.

Business does not hand out visa's.


Tyson Foods Indicted in Plan To Smuggle Illegal Workers

Tyson Foods Indicted in Plan To Smuggle Illegal Workers

Indictment alleges conspiracy behind recruitment, hiring of undocumented workers in Midwest


FBI Reportedly Has Fake Green Cards Given to Undocumented Immigrants Working at Trump Golf Course
Who said they did. If they were invited, they would have a visa. Tyson foods doesn't have the authority to "invite" anyone.

According to the Constitution, Tyson is exactly who is supposed to invite immigrants.
Absolutely no authority was given the federal government over immigration in the Constitution.
 
You have to be kidding me hey politico THEY ARE CRIMINALS ...we are a nation of laws you numb nuts..


The ICE raids aren’t just wrong – they’re expensive


The ICE raids aren’t just wrong – they’re expensive

Does it make sense to spend $50,000 locking up someone for supporting her family?

This week, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement raided seven Mississippi food processing plants and arrested 680 workers for immigration violations. The moral cost of these raids to our shared humanity is apparent in stories like that of a tearful 13-year-old boy waving goodbye to his mother or an 11-year old girl pleading for her father’s release. But some people might feel differently, believing such scenes are just the cost of enforcing our immigration laws. If that’s you, I urge you to weigh another cost instead: the sheer financial expense of such cruelty.

First, there’s lost income. ICE was created in 2003 to “protect national security and public safety after 9/11,” but this week’s raids were not about security or safety or terrorism. They targeted immigrants while they worked to support their families and our economy. Many of the arrested individuals now leave behind jobs that won’t be filled and children and spouses who now live without a family member and their associated income. Their communities and local businesses will suffer down the line. And state and local governments will lose the associated tax revenues; undocumented workers pay an estimated $12 billion a year in taxes.

Then there are the costs of enforcement and detention. ICE Acting Director Matt Albence admitted that the raids required a yearlong investigation and 600 agents to execute. The 680 arrested individuals now languish in detention facilities. According to ICE, the average daily cost of detaining one person is $134. Some estimates place the cost at closer to $200 per day. Given this administration’s immigration policies, from family separation to zero tolerance to mass raids, the number of immigrants in detention is rapidly expanding, not retracting. For every person who leaves detention, another replaces them, if not two. Even using ICE’s conservative figure of $134, the cost of keeping one immigrant in detention is almost $50,000 per year. The detention expense alone for the group detained on Wednesday is approximately $100,000 a day, $3 million per month, and $36 million a year. Given that more raids are coming, these costs are only going to go up.

Leftists don't care about the laws. Until you come to grips with that this stuff will freak you out.

Laws are supposed to be about things that are inherently good or evil, like rape, murder, or theft.
Immigration is not inherently evil.
In fact, it is essentially an inherent individual right.
It is not legal to set tight quotas on Native American immigrants while allowing wide open immigration for Europeans.
What about regulations on automobile design?
 
Who said they did. If they were invited, they would have a visa. Tyson foods doesn't have the authority to "invite" anyone.

Of course they do. They do not have the authority to legally invite them. All the same, since that is not enforced that is just a technicality.
 
The left wants to turn them into welfare recipients by not following through with our laws and kicking them out. How long until you fight to give them access to welfare and turn them all into citizens?

*** In this very thread people are calling our border security laws illegitimate laws that should be broken.

Even without welfare they use our infrastructure and emergency services. They also send money out of the nation back to where they came from. They cost us even before you start fighting to give them welfare.

You have no respect for our nation or its laws. People like me are trying to stop people like you from pushing us down a slippery slope to appease your bleeding hearts. As logical people it is our responsibility to stop you overemotional types from ruining our nation with your good intentions.

It’s far more complicated than that.

These people that are here are economically and politically imbedded in our society. It’s very easy for people like you to say deport deport........ But ignored their importance and contributions to the booming economy.


*** Do you understand how this come about? Let me explain. Ugly inhumane disgusting Americans called illegal border crossing are criminals.
Decent Americans with a good heart and human being totally disagree with you. We do not called them criminals. So we ( not you) are going to change that law.


Say what, so you want to let in 5 billion people? To want open borders to let the world come here freely and trash America's limited resources ?


.

We never said that. NEVER. We do not have open borders. We do not trash America.

Liar. Dims are doing everything in their power to open our borders.

But making poor Americans pay more at the groceries and everything because of trade wars.

But seeing those kids crying while their parents being yank from them because of papers.

That is called TRASHING America. Seeing around the globe is very very disgusting.

Your cult leader scared you well. And You should ask your cult inept leader who is trashing America. MAll these crisis are fabricated by Trump.


Enforcing our borders is not "trashing America," you sleazy lying cockroach. Nothing hurts poor people more than importing low wage labor to take their jobs. That's what you defend.

I understand truth hurts. Im so sorry about that. I’ll be nice to you. I’ll try not to hurt your feelings.



LISTEN TO ME YOU RACIST BIGOT PIECES SHIT. Cockroach are people like you who are not human being.
I called you a cockroach. I find it difficult to believe that you're a human being.
 

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