The NEWEST Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Hollie]

The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[25]

Link?

Nonsense.

Your Treaty of Lausanne nonsense is a running, 10 year old joke.

Link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

• In 1924 Palestine was created as a state by post war treaties. The Palestinians were the sovereigns inside their territory that was defined by international borders. Palestine was administered by a Mandate that had no sovereignty or territory.
• In 1925 the Palestinians became citizens of Palestine.
• In November of 1947 The UN General Assembly passed a non binding resolution to partition Palestine. This resolution failed and was never implemented by the Security Council.
• In December of 1947 foreign Zionist gangs began ethnically cleansing Palestine. About 300,000 Palestinians became refugees before the start of the 1948 war. This was the beginning of what the Palestinians call the Nakba.
• In May of 1948 five Arab armies entered Palestine to engage Israeli forces. The ethnic cleansing of Palestine continued during this time. Palestine had no army and was not involved in this conflict.
• The fighting of the 1948 war ended when the UN Security Council called for an armistice. An armistice calls for an end of the fighting without designating winners or losers. Nobody lost the 1948 war.
• The Armistice Agreements drew green lines around and through Palestine to limit troop movements. These lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries. Palestine was divided into three areas of occupation. Occupations do not acquire territory or sovereignty. No Palestinian territory or sovereignty was ceded.
• Jordan attempted, but failed, to annex the West Bank. It is illegal to annex occupied territory. Only Britain and Pakistan recognized that move. The rest of the world considered the West Bank to be occupied Palestinian territory as they still do today.
• Palestine has never ceded anything within its international borders.

The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[25]
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A state is inviolable. Its existence as a person under international law is protected. No matter how big or small, each state has the same rights and duties as any other state.

 

[Hollie]

The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[25]
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A state is inviolable. Its existence as a person under international law is protected. No matter how big or small, each state has the same rights and duties as any other state.

Cutting and pasting the same, debunked, cutting and pasting is just an intent to spam the thread.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Cutting and pasting the same, debunked, cutting and pasting is just an intent to spam the thread.

Debunked? Link?

Of course not.

 

[Hollie]

Debunked? Link?

Of course not.

Debunked?

Indeed, yes.

Link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Debunked?

Indeed, yes.

Link?

No link?

Of course not.

 

[Hollie]

No link?

Of course not.

Indeed.

You provided no link.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Indeed.

You provided no link.

I posted my stuff. You never posted your debunk.

 

[Hollie]

I posted my stuff. You never posted your debunk.

Indeed. You cut and pasted the same debunked stuff you litter across most threads.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Indeed. You cut and pasted the same debunked stuff you litter across most threads.

Debunked?

Link?

 

[rosends]

Nonsense.

Your Treaty of Lausanne nonsense is a running, 10 year old joke.

Link?

If you want a good laugh, read this article.

Ratifying the Jewish state

World War I Treaties form legal basis for land Israel won in 1967 war.

www.jpost.com

 

[Hollie]

Debunked?

Link?

Debunked?

Indeed.

There's an entire thread dedicated to the debunking.

Link?

 

[Hollie]

If you want a good laugh, read this article.

Ratifying the Jewish state

World War I Treaties form legal basis for land Israel won in 1967 war.

www.jpost.com

If you want a really, really good laugh, poke our friend P F Tinmore and ask him how the Treaty of Lausanne invented his claimed "State of Pal'istan".

Just a little poke / prod and he will cut and paste the silliest things.

 

[P F Tinmore]

If you want a good laugh, read this article.

Ratifying the Jewish state

World War I Treaties form legal basis for land Israel won in 1967 war.

www.jpost.com

Howard Grief

 

[P F Tinmore]

Debunked?

Indeed.

There's an entire thread dedicated to the debunking.

Link?

Of course you will not name your imaginary thread.

 

[Hollie]

Of course you will not name your imaginary thread.

Of course, you know the thread being referenced because it was created as a result of the thread spam, primarily from you, who decided to derail thread after thread with off topic cutting and pasting.

 

[rosends]

Of course, you know the thread being referenced because it was created as a result of the thread spam, primarily from you, who decided to derail thread after thread with off topic cutting and pasting.

It just doesn't seem that complicted. After 1922 (or 23 or 24 or 25, depending on the specific document one wants to invoke) people who lived in the region called "Palestine" were given the right to a distinct nationality with citizenship rules, as they were no longer part of the Turkish empire. There is no mention in the treaty of "Palestine" or a "Palestinian state" just an explanation of what people who were citizens of the Ottoman empire were supposed to do now. The decision was that separate regions were allowed to establish their own citizenship rules (to the exclusion of citizens of other regions). Some were called "states". Palestine was not. It was still under the mandate and the guardianship (though there as no clearly established system of domestic regulation) of The British government until 1948.

https://ismi.emory.edu/resources/primary-source-docs/1948%20-%20PALESTINE-HMG%20termination%20of%20Mandate%201948.pdf

So while one might (semantically) say that there are "Palestinians" who had distinct citizenship (including the 121,000 Jews) during that time, there was no independent state of Palestine ever created as the area was still under British rule.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It just doesn't seem that complicted. After 1922 (or 23 or 24 or 25, depending on the specific document one wants to invoke) people who lived in the region called "Palestine" were given the right to a distinct nationality with citizenship rules, as they were no longer part of the Turkish empire. There is no mention in the treaty of "Palestine" or a "Palestinian state" just an explanation of what people who were citizens of the Ottoman empire were supposed to do now. The decision was that separate regions were allowed to establish their own citizenship rules (to the exclusion of citizens of other regions). Some were called "states". Palestine was not. It was still under the mandate and the guardianship (though there as no clearly established system of domestic regulation) of The British government until 1948.

https://ismi.emory.edu/resources/primary-source-docs/1948%20-%20PALESTINE-HMG%20termination%20of%20Mandate%201948.pdf

So while one might (semantically) say that there are "Palestinians" who had distinct citizenship (including the 121,000 Jews) during that time, there was no independent state of Palestine ever created as the area was still under British rule.

there was no independent state of Palestine ever created as the area was still under British rule.

There is the kicker for Palestinians. They have always been ruled by foreign entities with a lot of guns. The Mandate was to render administrative assistance and advice to bring them to independence. They were to work in the wishes and best interest of the People.

The Mandates were not there to rule. They were there to help the people develop a functioning state. Britain did not do that. They kicked the Palestinians to the curb and helped the Zionists to create their state.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Of course, you know the thread being referenced because it was created as a result of the thread spam, primarily from you, who decided to derail thread after thread with off topic cutting and pasting.

 

[rosends]

There is the kicker for Palestinians. They have always been ruled by foreign entities with a lot of guns. The Mandate was to render administrative assistance and advice to bring them to independence. They were to work in the wishes and best interest of the People.

You are starting with an error, assuming that there is a discrete "Palestinian" people that existed. The Treaty of Lausanne institutionalized the idea of "Palestinian" as distinct from Syrian, Turkish and Trans-Jordanian. But before that, there was no notion of nationality. The mandate was to ensure that whatever government that was established by the individual peoples could stand on its own. That happened with the nascent Israelis, not with anyone else.

The Mandates were not there to rule. They were there to help the people develop a functioning state. Britain did not do that. They kicked the Palestinians to the curb and helped the Zionists to create their state.

They were there as a guardianship as the local people created a functionisng state.