The next Republican President hasn't been born yet

[Correll]

Correll, you are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts.

Which fact have I sited that you consider false?

That McCain was a moderate who's nomination was a massive defeat for conservatives?

That McCain did NOT run a racist campaign?

That McCain lost Hispanics by 2 to 1? Despite a long career of screwing Conservatives, and I don't mean in a romantic way?

You are ignoring the fact that most Americans are very scared of our far right.

The far right is doing nothing to change that.

The Far Right aren't the ones poised for total control, Jake.

The Far Left is.

Why aren't you afraid of them?

The far right is one election away from near total control, with only a divided Senate standing in their way of imposing their will on America.

The Democrats have no candidate capable of winning in 2016, so I'm hoping you guys come up with somebody decent in your primary, not Cruz or Trump.

Even if Trump wins, the Far Right will NOT be in control of Congress. NOr the Supreme Court.

But, if current trends continue, it won't be long until the Far Left is.

 

[nuhuh]

You need to update your history of the election if you think it wasn't driven by other things than just politics.

"What makes them different, and what has pumped up the Weimar-like rage at McCain-Palin rallies, is the violent escalation in rhetoric, especially (though not exclusively) by Palin. Obama “launched his political career in the living room of a domestic terrorist.” He is “palling around with terrorists” (note the plural noun). Obama is “not a man who sees America the way you and I see America.” Wielding a wildly out-of-context Obama quote, Palin slurs him as an enemy of American troops.

By the time McCain asks the crowd “Who is the real Barack Obama?” it’s no surprise that someone cries out “Terrorist!” The rhetorical conflation of Obama with terrorism is complete. It is stoked further by the repeated invocation of Obama’s middle name by surrogates introducing McCain and Palin at these rallies. This sleight of hand at once synchronizes with the poisonous Obama-is-a-Muslim e-mail blasts and shifts the brand of terrorism from Ayers’s Vietnam-era variety to the radical Islamic threats of today.

That’s a far cry from simply accusing Obama of being a guilty-by-association radical leftist. Obama is being branded as a potential killer and an accessory to past attempts at murder. “Barack Obama’s friend tried to kill my family” was how a McCain press release last week packaged the remembrance of a Weather Underground incident from 1970 — when Obama was 8." http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/opinion/12rich.html

Thank you for your fine example of the type of branding and racial demagoguery I was referring to.

Though a little light on the race aspect.

But still, yes.

Ohh, "Weimar-like rage" Good one! A very subtle Godwin!


Yes, no amount of policy is going to affect this image you libs have crafted.

At this point your One Party State is nearly assured.

Congratulations.

Somehow I am neither surprised nor disappointed that you still don't get it.

i got it, Mr "Wemiar like Rage".

It's bullshit propaganda, and it is driving the political process in this country.

You are winning and you will almost certainly get what you want.



What do you hope to have happen once you get your control?

I didn't write that, the Opinion page of the New York Times did and their reaction was to the over the top campaigning by McCain-Palin that caused them to respond that way. You can accept or reject that analysis, but the number of reasons for minorities deserting the Republican party gets ever smaller and smaller.

Over the top campaigning by McCain?

But Obama falsely accusing McCain of running a racist campaign is cool?


Like I said, thanks for the fine example of the type of branding and racial demagoguery I was referring to.

Heh Heh, "Wemiar like Rage"!

Yes, over the top campaign by McCain, as written about in the editorial. To say it didn't exist is an odd self denial when examples are so readily available.

 

[Avatar4321]

Well if you are looking there no wonder you are blind.

 

[Correll]

Thank you for your fine example of the type of branding and racial demagoguery I was referring to.

Though a little light on the race aspect.

But still, yes.

Ohh, "Weimar-like rage" Good one! A very subtle Godwin!


Yes, no amount of policy is going to affect this image you libs have crafted.

At this point your One Party State is nearly assured.

Congratulations.

Somehow I am neither surprised nor disappointed that you still don't get it.

i got it, Mr "Wemiar like Rage".

It's bullshit propaganda, and it is driving the political process in this country.

You are winning and you will almost certainly get what you want.



What do you hope to have happen once you get your control?

I didn't write that, the Opinion page of the New York Times did and their reaction was to the over the top campaigning by McCain-Palin that caused them to respond that way. You can accept or reject that analysis, but the number of reasons for minorities deserting the Republican party gets ever smaller and smaller.

Over the top campaigning by McCain?

But Obama falsely accusing McCain of running a racist campaign is cool?


Like I said, thanks for the fine example of the type of branding and racial demagoguery I was referring to.

Heh Heh, "Wemiar like Rage"!

Yes, over the top campaign by McCain, as written about in the editorial. To say it didn't exist is an odd self denial when examples are so readily available.

Personal attack, negative attacks, ect, are completely normal in US politics.

That you libs have managed to get a lock on the Hispanics is not that unusual either.

That it will almost certainly lead to a defacto One Party State is.

What do you hope to have happened once your side has total dominance?

 

[WelfareQueen]

Even worse for Republicans is changing demographics and the inability of Republicans to adapt

They got only 29% of the Hispanic vote in 2012. Given their recent histerics and blocking of immigration reform....that could drop to 15%

15% of the Hispanic vote would give Florida to the Dems. With rising Hispanic populations in Texas, it could turn Texas blue in the next 20 years

Florida and Texas turning blue would mean we will never see another Republican President




.

And Dems only got 37% of the white vote last year. Sorry.....Dems cannot win any election with those numbers. Question: Have the Dems lost white voters forever? They have certainly lost white men.

 

[nuhuh]

Well if you are looking there no wonder you are blind.

Says you. I'm pretty sure that's exactly where they found most of the current candidates.

 

[Davros]

Correll, you are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts.

Which fact have I sited that you consider false?

That McCain was a moderate who's nomination was a massive defeat for conservatives?

That McCain did NOT run a racist campaign?

That McCain lost Hispanics by 2 to 1? Despite a long career of screwing Conservatives, and I don't mean in a romantic way?

You are ignoring the fact that most Americans are very scared of our far right.

The far right is doing nothing to change that.

The Far Right aren't the ones poised for total control, Jake.

The Far Left is.

Why aren't you afraid of them?

The far right is one election away from near total control, with only a divided Senate standing in their way of imposing their will on America.

The Democrats have no candidate capable of winning in 2016, so I'm hoping you guys come up with somebody decent in your primary, not Cruz or Trump.

Even if Trump wins, the Far Right will NOT be in control of Congress. NOr the Supreme Court.

But, if current trends continue, it won't be long until the Far Left is.

It seems your definition of far left is anyone who isn't far right. This Supreme Court is split. The far right just forced out two moderates from House Speakership (or running for it) and they recently primaried out the majority leader. I envision in 2017 a radical right president (Cruz), a radical right House, and only a split Senate standing in their way. Should be interesting anyways.

 

[nuhuh]

Somehow I am neither surprised nor disappointed that you still don't get it.

i got it, Mr "Wemiar like Rage".

It's bullshit propaganda, and it is driving the political process in this country.

You are winning and you will almost certainly get what you want.



What do you hope to have happen once you get your control?

I didn't write that, the Opinion page of the New York Times did and their reaction was to the over the top campaigning by McCain-Palin that caused them to respond that way. You can accept or reject that analysis, but the number of reasons for minorities deserting the Republican party gets ever smaller and smaller.

Over the top campaigning by McCain?

But Obama falsely accusing McCain of running a racist campaign is cool?


Like I said, thanks for the fine example of the type of branding and racial demagoguery I was referring to.

Heh Heh, "Wemiar like Rage"!

Yes, over the top campaign by McCain, as written about in the editorial. To say it didn't exist is an odd self denial when examples are so readily available.

Personal attack, negative attacks, ect, are completely normal in US politics.

That you libs have managed to get a lock on the Hispanics is not that unusual either.

That it will almost certainly lead to a defacto One Party State is.

What do you hope to have happened once your side has total dominance?

If you ever want to be back in power what will become important is what you will have to change to become a participant and partner again. Normal people hope you just don't lay there and take it.

 

[Correll]

Which fact have I sited that you consider false?

That McCain was a moderate who's nomination was a massive defeat for conservatives?

That McCain did NOT run a racist campaign?

That McCain lost Hispanics by 2 to 1? Despite a long career of screwing Conservatives, and I don't mean in a romantic way?

You are ignoring the fact that most Americans are very scared of our far right.

The far right is doing nothing to change that.

The Far Right aren't the ones poised for total control, Jake.

The Far Left is.

Why aren't you afraid of them?

The far right is one election away from near total control, with only a divided Senate standing in their way of imposing their will on America.

The Democrats have no candidate capable of winning in 2016, so I'm hoping you guys come up with somebody decent in your primary, not Cruz or Trump.

Even if Trump wins, the Far Right will NOT be in control of Congress. NOr the Supreme Court.

But, if current trends continue, it won't be long until the Far Left is.

It seems your definition of far left is anyone who isn't far right. This Supreme Court is split. The far right just forced out two moderates from House Speakership (or running for it) and they recently primaried out the majority leader. I envision in 2017 a radical right president (Cruz), a radical right House, and only a split Senate standing in their way. Should be interesting anyways.

NO, I was think a little longer range.

 

[Correll]

i got it, Mr "Wemiar like Rage".

It's bullshit propaganda, and it is driving the political process in this country.

You are winning and you will almost certainly get what you want.



What do you hope to have happen once you get your control?

I didn't write that, the Opinion page of the New York Times did and their reaction was to the over the top campaigning by McCain-Palin that caused them to respond that way. You can accept or reject that analysis, but the number of reasons for minorities deserting the Republican party gets ever smaller and smaller.

Over the top campaigning by McCain?

But Obama falsely accusing McCain of running a racist campaign is cool?


Like I said, thanks for the fine example of the type of branding and racial demagoguery I was referring to.

Heh Heh, "Wemiar like Rage"!

Yes, over the top campaign by McCain, as written about in the editorial. To say it didn't exist is an odd self denial when examples are so readily available.

Personal attack, negative attacks, ect, are completely normal in US politics.

That you libs have managed to get a lock on the Hispanics is not that unusual either.

That it will almost certainly lead to a defacto One Party State is.

What do you hope to have happened once your side has total dominance?

If you ever want to be back in power what will become important is what you will have to change to become a participant and partner again. Normal people hope you just don't lay there and take it.

We are not going to win the Hispanic vote any more than we will win the Black vote.

It is just not going to happen, no matter what we do.

What do you hope to have happen once your side has total dominance?

 

[Davros]

You are ignoring the fact that most Americans are very scared of our far right.

The far right is doing nothing to change that.

The Far Right aren't the ones poised for total control, Jake.

The Far Left is.

Why aren't you afraid of them?

The far right is one election away from near total control, with only a divided Senate standing in their way of imposing their will on America.

The Democrats have no candidate capable of winning in 2016, so I'm hoping you guys come up with somebody decent in your primary, not Cruz or Trump.

Even if Trump wins, the Far Right will NOT be in control of Congress. NOr the Supreme Court.

But, if current trends continue, it won't be long until the Far Left is.

It seems your definition of far left is anyone who isn't far right. This Supreme Court is split. The far right just forced out two moderates from House Speakership (or running for it) and they recently primaried out the majority leader. I envision in 2017 a radical right president (Cruz), a radical right House, and only a split Senate standing in their way. Should be interesting anyways.

NO, I was think a little longer range.

I'm concerned about what the far right would do if they obtained enough power in 2017 to prevent your future vision from ever happening.

Believing themselves ensured of the military having their back on far right wing positions, I imagine Cruz or Trump suspending the constitution, dissolving the Senate, packing the Supreme Court with radicals, and finishing with a major revision of the constitution before reactivating it ... all because they believed they were 100% doing the right thing to save America. And many of you would support them all the way.

 

[nuhuh]

I didn't write that, the Opinion page of the New York Times did and their reaction was to the over the top campaigning by McCain-Palin that caused them to respond that way. You can accept or reject that analysis, but the number of reasons for minorities deserting the Republican party gets ever smaller and smaller.

Over the top campaigning by McCain?

But Obama falsely accusing McCain of running a racist campaign is cool?


Like I said, thanks for the fine example of the type of branding and racial demagoguery I was referring to.

Heh Heh, "Wemiar like Rage"!

Yes, over the top campaign by McCain, as written about in the editorial. To say it didn't exist is an odd self denial when examples are so readily available.

Personal attack, negative attacks, ect, are completely normal in US politics.

That you libs have managed to get a lock on the Hispanics is not that unusual either.

That it will almost certainly lead to a defacto One Party State is.

What do you hope to have happened once your side has total dominance?

If you ever want to be back in power what will become important is what you will have to change to become a participant and partner again. Normal people hope you just don't lay there and take it.

We are not going to win the Hispanic vote any more than we will win the Black vote.

It is just not going to happen, no matter what we do.

What do you hope to have happen once your side has total dominance?

There was a time when the Black and Hispanic vote was important to the GOP and not that long ago. What happened and why despair? Digest this part of the 2000 Republican Party platform and tell me what has changed in just 15 years?


"We recommit ourselves to the values that strengthen our culture and sustain our nation: family, faith, personal responsibility, and a belief in the dignity of every human life.

We offer not only a new agenda, but also a new approach — a vision of a welcoming society in which all have a place. To all Americans, particularly immigrants and minorities, we send a clear message: this is the party of freedom and progress, and it is your home.

The diversity of our nation is reflected in this platform. We ask for the support and participation of all who substantially share our agenda. In one way or another, every Republican is a dissenter. At the same time, we are not morally indifferent. In this, as in many things, Lincoln is our model. He spoke words of healing and words of conviction. We do likewise, for we are bound together in a great enterprise for our children's future." http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25849

 

[Correll]

The Far Right aren't the ones poised for total control, Jake.

The Far Left is.

Why aren't you afraid of them?

The far right is one election away from near total control, with only a divided Senate standing in their way of imposing their will on America.

The Democrats have no candidate capable of winning in 2016, so I'm hoping you guys come up with somebody decent in your primary, not Cruz or Trump.

Even if Trump wins, the Far Right will NOT be in control of Congress. NOr the Supreme Court.

But, if current trends continue, it won't be long until the Far Left is.

It seems your definition of far left is anyone who isn't far right. This Supreme Court is split. The far right just forced out two moderates from House Speakership (or running for it) and they recently primaried out the majority leader. I envision in 2017 a radical right president (Cruz), a radical right House, and only a split Senate standing in their way. Should be interesting anyways.

NO, I was think a little longer range.

I'm concerned about what the far right would do if they obtained enough power in 2017 to prevent your future vision from ever happening.

Believing themselves ensured of the military having their back on far right wing positions, I imagine Cruz or Trump suspending the constitution, dissolving the Senate, packing the Supreme Court with radicals, and finishing with a major revision of the constitution before reactivating it ... all because they believed they were 100% doing the right thing to save America. And many of you would support them all the way.

Wow. That is, to borrow a phrase, completely over the top.

None of that has anything to do with what conservatives are about.

What do you hope to see if your side gets complete control?

 

[Correll]

Over the top campaigning by McCain?

But Obama falsely accusing McCain of running a racist campaign is cool?


Like I said, thanks for the fine example of the type of branding and racial demagoguery I was referring to.

Heh Heh, "Wemiar like Rage"!

Yes, over the top campaign by McCain, as written about in the editorial. To say it didn't exist is an odd self denial when examples are so readily available.

Personal attack, negative attacks, ect, are completely normal in US politics.

That you libs have managed to get a lock on the Hispanics is not that unusual either.

That it will almost certainly lead to a defacto One Party State is.

What do you hope to have happened once your side has total dominance?

If you ever want to be back in power what will become important is what you will have to change to become a participant and partner again. Normal people hope you just don't lay there and take it.

We are not going to win the Hispanic vote any more than we will win the Black vote.

It is just not going to happen, no matter what we do.

What do you hope to have happen once your side has total dominance?

There was a time when the Black and Hispanic vote was important to the GOP and not that long ago. What happened and why despair? Digest this part of the 2000 Republican Party platform and tell me what has changed in just 15 years?


"We recommit ourselves to the values that strengthen our culture and sustain our nation: family, faith, personal responsibility, and a belief in the dignity of every human life.

We offer not only a new agenda, but also a new approach — a vision of a welcoming society in which all have a place. To all Americans, particularly immigrants and minorities, we send a clear message: this is the party of freedom and progress, and it is your home.

The diversity of our nation is reflected in this platform. We ask for the support and participation of all who substantially share our agenda. In one way or another, every Republican is a dissenter. At the same time, we are not morally indifferent. In this, as in many things, Lincoln is our model. He spoke words of healing and words of conviction. We do likewise, for we are bound together in a great enterprise for our children's future." http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25849

And they didn't win the hispanic or black vote either.


You like ONe Party States?

 

[nuhuh]

Yes, over the top campaign by McCain, as written about in the editorial. To say it didn't exist is an odd self denial when examples are so readily available.

Personal attack, negative attacks, ect, are completely normal in US politics.

That you libs have managed to get a lock on the Hispanics is not that unusual either.

That it will almost certainly lead to a defacto One Party State is.

What do you hope to have happened once your side has total dominance?

If you ever want to be back in power what will become important is what you will have to change to become a participant and partner again. Normal people hope you just don't lay there and take it.

We are not going to win the Hispanic vote any more than we will win the Black vote.

It is just not going to happen, no matter what we do.

What do you hope to have happen once your side has total dominance?

There was a time when the Black and Hispanic vote was important to the GOP and not that long ago. What happened and why despair? Digest this part of the 2000 Republican Party platform and tell me what has changed in just 15 years?


"We recommit ourselves to the values that strengthen our culture and sustain our nation: family, faith, personal responsibility, and a belief in the dignity of every human life.

We offer not only a new agenda, but also a new approach — a vision of a welcoming society in which all have a place. To all Americans, particularly immigrants and minorities, we send a clear message: this is the party of freedom and progress, and it is your home.

The diversity of our nation is reflected in this platform. We ask for the support and participation of all who substantially share our agenda. In one way or another, every Republican is a dissenter. At the same time, we are not morally indifferent. In this, as in many things, Lincoln is our model. He spoke words of healing and words of conviction. We do likewise, for we are bound together in a great enterprise for our children's future." http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25849

And they didn't win the hispanic or black vote either.


You like ONe Party States?

They didn't win any black or Hispanic votes because it was empty rhetoric. No, I do not like one party rule and I think America will seek more balance after a short time.

 

[Correll]

Personal attack, negative attacks, ect, are completely normal in US politics.

That you libs have managed to get a lock on the Hispanics is not that unusual either.

That it will almost certainly lead to a defacto One Party State is.

What do you hope to have happened once your side has total dominance?

If you ever want to be back in power what will become important is what you will have to change to become a participant and partner again. Normal people hope you just don't lay there and take it.

We are not going to win the Hispanic vote any more than we will win the Black vote.

It is just not going to happen, no matter what we do.

What do you hope to have happen once your side has total dominance?

There was a time when the Black and Hispanic vote was important to the GOP and not that long ago. What happened and why despair? Digest this part of the 2000 Republican Party platform and tell me what has changed in just 15 years?


"We recommit ourselves to the values that strengthen our culture and sustain our nation: family, faith, personal responsibility, and a belief in the dignity of every human life.

We offer not only a new agenda, but also a new approach — a vision of a welcoming society in which all have a place. To all Americans, particularly immigrants and minorities, we send a clear message: this is the party of freedom and progress, and it is your home.

The diversity of our nation is reflected in this platform. We ask for the support and participation of all who substantially share our agenda. In one way or another, every Republican is a dissenter. At the same time, we are not morally indifferent. In this, as in many things, Lincoln is our model. He spoke words of healing and words of conviction. We do likewise, for we are bound together in a great enterprise for our children's future." http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25849

And they didn't win the hispanic or black vote either.


You like ONe Party States?

They didn't win any black or Hispanic votes because it was empty rhetoric. No, I do not like one party rule and I think America will seek more balance after a short time.

Both parties spew out plenty of empty rhetoric.

You don't like one Party States?

Strange.

What policies do you support to avoid this?

 

[Davros]

The far right is one election away from near total control, with only a divided Senate standing in their way of imposing their will on America.

The Democrats have no candidate capable of winning in 2016, so I'm hoping you guys come up with somebody decent in your primary, not Cruz or Trump.

Even if Trump wins, the Far Right will NOT be in control of Congress. NOr the Supreme Court.

But, if current trends continue, it won't be long until the Far Left is.

It seems your definition of far left is anyone who isn't far right. This Supreme Court is split. The far right just forced out two moderates from House Speakership (or running for it) and they recently primaried out the majority leader. I envision in 2017 a radical right president (Cruz), a radical right House, and only a split Senate standing in their way. Should be interesting anyways.

NO, I was think a little longer range.

I'm concerned about what the far right would do if they obtained enough power in 2017 to prevent your future vision from ever happening.

Believing themselves ensured of the military having their back on far right wing positions, I imagine Cruz or Trump suspending the constitution, dissolving the Senate, packing the Supreme Court with radicals, and finishing with a major revision of the constitution before reactivating it ... all because they believed they were 100% doing the right thing to save America. And many of you would support them all the way.

Wow. That is, to borrow a phrase, completely over the top.

None of that has anything to do with what conservatives are about.

What do you hope to see if your side gets complete control?

My side is moderates who are willing to work with others to get things done (grand deals on entitlement reform, deficit reduction, immigration). It is people who don't believe they have all the answers but are willing to sit down in a truly bipartisan manner and develop solutions. My side has been losing for years now.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Correll, you are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts.

Which fact have I sited that you consider false?

That McCain was a moderate who's nomination was a massive defeat for conservatives?

That McCain did NOT run a racist campaign?

That McCain lost Hispanics by 2 to 1? Despite a long career of screwing Conservatives, and I don't mean in a romantic way?

You are ignoring the fact that most Americans are very scared of our far right.

The far right is doing nothing to change that.

The Far Right aren't the ones poised for total control, Jake.

The Far Left is.

Why aren't you afraid of them?

What far left? HRC? Don't be silly. The far right is dangerous.

 

[nuhuh]

If you ever want to be back in power what will become important is what you will have to change to become a participant and partner again. Normal people hope you just don't lay there and take it.

We are not going to win the Hispanic vote any more than we will win the Black vote.

It is just not going to happen, no matter what we do.

What do you hope to have happen once your side has total dominance?

There was a time when the Black and Hispanic vote was important to the GOP and not that long ago. What happened and why despair? Digest this part of the 2000 Republican Party platform and tell me what has changed in just 15 years?


"We recommit ourselves to the values that strengthen our culture and sustain our nation: family, faith, personal responsibility, and a belief in the dignity of every human life.

We offer not only a new agenda, but also a new approach — a vision of a welcoming society in which all have a place. To all Americans, particularly immigrants and minorities, we send a clear message: this is the party of freedom and progress, and it is your home.

The diversity of our nation is reflected in this platform. We ask for the support and participation of all who substantially share our agenda. In one way or another, every Republican is a dissenter. At the same time, we are not morally indifferent. In this, as in many things, Lincoln is our model. He spoke words of healing and words of conviction. We do likewise, for we are bound together in a great enterprise for our children's future." http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25849

And they didn't win the hispanic or black vote either.


You like ONe Party States?

They didn't win any black or Hispanic votes because it was empty rhetoric. No, I do not like one party rule and I think America will seek more balance after a short time.

Both parties spew out plenty of empty rhetoric.

You don't like one Party States?

Strange.

What policies do you support to avoid this?

The GOP let the crazies in and they let empty rhetoric become the rule, they have no one else to blame but themselves. Parties attain power by the solutions to problems that resonate best with the public. You want to rule you need to reinvent yourself and beat the game.

 

[Davros]

My over the top scenario is a natural possibility if your side truly believes that continued election trends are going to destroy America. It would be natural for such radicals to do anything to prevent it.