The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

[elektra]

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a330223.pdf

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what do you believe you posted here? again it does not support anything you have posted previously?
do you understand what it means to provide a link to things you have quoted?
you have not

 

[sparky]

what do you believe you posted here? again it does not support anything you have posted previously?

Do you believe a biography by a biased author written 40 odd years after an incident trumps what the actual person was quoted at the time ?

~S~

 

[elektra]

Do you believe a biography by a biased author written 40 odd years after an incident trumps what the actual person was quoted at the time ?

You linked to my biography to confirm what you quoted, so now you want to state your link is biased? Now that you see you fucked up you set up a strawman argument as to why you are right?

Well, again, link to the original quote, as in where it originally appeared.

I do not rely on one book. I cross reference the quote or event with many other books. I also use magazines.

So link to your quote. Nothing has stopped you yet, other than you seem to not know where the quotes came from. Why won't you link your quotes?

 

[Unkotare]

... I should keep my mouth shut. ....

Good luck with that.

 

[mikegriffith1]

In his radio address to announce the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, Harry Truman claimed that Hiroshima was "a military base," and that it was chosen as the first target in order to minimize "the killing of civilians." Either Truman did not want the American people to know the truth about Hiroshima or he was ignorantly repeating what others had told him.

Ralph Raico, a professor of history at Buffalo State College, had this to say about Truman's claim:

Truman doubtless was aware of this, so from time to time he advanced other pretexts. On August 9, 1945, he stated: "The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians."​

This, however, is absurd. Pearl Harbor was a military base. Hiroshima was a city, inhabited by some three hundred thousand people, which contained military elements. In any case, since the harbor was mined and the U.S. Navy and Air Force were in control of the waters around Japan, whatever troops were stationed in Hiroshima had been effectively neutralized.​

On other occasions, Truman claimed that Hiroshima was bombed because it was an industrial center. But, as noted in the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey, "all major factories in Hiroshima were on the periphery of the city – and escaped serious damage." The target was the center of the city. That Truman realized the kind of victims the bombs consumed is evident from his comment to his cabinet on August 10, explaining his reluctance to drop a third bomb: "The thought of wiping out another 100,000 people was too horrible," he said; he didn’t like the idea of killing "all those kids." Wiping out another one hundred thousand people . . . all those kids. . . .​

The bombings were condemned as barbaric and unnecessary by high American military officers, including Eisenhower and MacArthur. The view of Admiral William D. Leahy, Truman’s own chief of staff, was typical:​

“The use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. . . . My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make wars in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.” (The War Criminal Harry Truman - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com)​

Many books incorrectly claim there were 30,000 to 40,000 soldiers stationed in Hiroshima, but there were actually only about 10,000, and they were reservists and supply troops (Paul Ham, Hiroshima Nagasaki: The Real Story of the Atomic Bombings and Their Aftermath, p. 410).

The British scientific mission to Japan, aka the British Mission, concluded that at the time of the attack there were 10,000 soldiers in Hiroshima and that the city’s population might have been as high as 320,000:

The census figures quoted are probably what Japanese call the “registered” population, used for such purposes as rationing. This is usually thought to be about 80 per cent, of the actual population which, with about 10,000 troops, and perhaps 5,000 workers brought in to cut fire breaks, may therefore have been as high as 320,000 at the time of the attack. (The Effects of the Atomic Bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki: Report of the British Mission to Japan, London: His Majesty’s Stationary Office, 1946, p. 1)​

I might add that Hiroshima had no fortifications and that its troops were garrison troops.

Why do we suppose that the Enola Gay flew with no fighter escorts? There was a weather plane and another plane to take photos and footage of the blast. But there were no fighters. Why? Because we knew that Hiroshima was not a military target, certainly not a “military base,” and because we also knew that Japan was virtually defenseless against air attack.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

In his radio address to announce the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, Harry Truman claimed that Hiroshima was "a military base," and that it was chosen as the first target in order to minimize "the killing of civilians." Either Truman did not want the American people to know the truth about Hiroshima or he was ignorantly repeating what others had told him.

Ralph Raico, a professor of history at Buffalo State College, had this to say about Truman's claim:

Truman doubtless was aware of this, so from time to time he advanced other pretexts. On August 9, 1945, he stated: "The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians."​

This, however, is absurd. Pearl Harbor was a military base. Hiroshima was a city, inhabited by some three hundred thousand people, which contained military elements. In any case, since the harbor was mined and the U.S. Navy and Air Force were in control of the waters around Japan, whatever troops were stationed in Hiroshima had been effectively neutralized.​

On other occasions, Truman claimed that Hiroshima was bombed because it was an industrial center. But, as noted in the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey, "all major factories in Hiroshima were on the periphery of the city – and escaped serious damage." The target was the center of the city. That Truman realized the kind of victims the bombs consumed is evident from his comment to his cabinet on August 10, explaining his reluctance to drop a third bomb: "The thought of wiping out another 100,000 people was too horrible," he said; he didn’t like the idea of killing "all those kids." Wiping out another one hundred thousand people . . . all those kids. . . .​

The bombings were condemned as barbaric and unnecessary by high American military officers, including Eisenhower and MacArthur. The view of Admiral William D. Leahy, Truman’s own chief of staff, was typical:​

“The use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. . . . My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make wars in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.” (The War Criminal Harry Truman - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com)​

Many books incorrectly claim there were 30,000 to 40,000 soldiers stationed in Hiroshima, but there were actually only about 10,000, and they were reservists and supply troops (Paul Ham, Hiroshima Nagasaki: The Real Story of the Atomic Bombings and Their Aftermath, p. 410).

The British scientific mission to Japan, aka the British Mission, concluded that at the time of the attack there were 10,000 soldiers in Hiroshima and that the city’s population might have been as high as 320,000:

The census figures quoted are probably what Japanese call the “registered” population, used for such purposes as rationing. This is usually thought to be about 80 per cent, of the actual population which, with about 10,000 troops, and perhaps 5,000 workers brought in to cut fire breaks, may therefore have been as high as 320,000 at the time of the attack. (The Effects of the Atomic Bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki: Report of the British Mission to Japan, London: His Majesty’s Stationary Office, 1946, p. 1)​

I might add that Hiroshima had no fortifications and that its troops were garrison troops.

Why do we suppose that the Enola Gay flew with no fighter escorts? There was a weather plane and another plane to take photos and footage of the blast. But there were no fighters. Why? Because we knew that Hiroshima was not a military target, certainly not a “military base,” and because we also knew that Japan was virtually defenseless against air attack.

Meanwhile in Reality land Japan REFUSED to surrender and even after the first Bomb refused to surrender. And after the second bomb when the emperor surrendered the Government run by the Army staged a Coup to stop that.

 

[elektra]

In his radio address to announce the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, Harry Truman claimed that Hiroshima was "a military base,"

You have time to post this, yet you can not refute your past posts which show you do not know what you speak of. So be it, I will continue to repeat those posts when I have time. To show everyone how you can not support the premise of your OP and how you contradict yourself and destroy the credibility of your sources. But for now, this one is easy.

Hiroshima was a military base in every sense of the word.

Go ahead, show us how it was not.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Port. Check. Airbase Check. Manufacturing Hub. Check, Army Headquarters. Check, Troops there. Check. Training civilians for invasion. Check. But golly gee it wasn't a military target HONEST.

 

[elektra]

How do you figure that? Internal Japanese records make it clear that it was the Soviet invasion that finally pushed the hardliners into agreeing to surrender. This has been documented in numerous studies.

Fourth time on this one, where are the links to the studies.
I think it is apparent you are simply a low life liar. Seriously, when you spread lies and propaganda, that you can not even link to, that does make you a low life.

Four times, where is the study? You have time to post 5, 6, 7x's? But not the time to prove you are not a liar.

Maybe now that I call you a liar, which you are if you do not post a study, maybe now you will actually post what you claim exists.

Of course, all the revisionist history is easily refuted, as i have done over a dozen times in this OP, so I suspect the reason you wont post a study is because it will be easily refuted as well.

Or maybe I am right, your a low life liar making things up as you go, with a little bit of fact, to support your boat loads of fiction, just to make it seem real to those who are brain handicapped.

 

[Unkotare]

Port. Check. Airbase Check. Manufacturing Hub. Check, Army Headquarters. Check, Troops there. Check. Training civilians for invasion. Check. But golly gee it wasn't a military target HONEST.

300,000 + civilians = a civilian center. You lack the courage to look at the issue clearly and directly.

 

[sparky]

Why do we suppose that the Enola Gay flew with no fighter escorts? There was a weather plane and another plane to take photos and footage of the blast. But there were no fighters. Why? Because we knew that Hiroshima was not a military target, certainly not a “military base,” and because we also knew that Japan was virtually defenseless against air attack.

Good one!

Fourth time on this one, where are the links to the studies.

another internet link dink......eat this>

Truman Revisted: Historian Says Harry Gave 'Em Racism

In 1911, the year he turned 27, Truman wrote to his future wife, Bess: ″I think one man is just as good as another so long as he’s honest and decent and not a ****** or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a white man from dust, a ****** from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman.″



″(Uncle Will) does hate Chinese and Japs,″ Truman continued. ″So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, yellow men in Asia and white men in Europe and America.″

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[elektra]

Port. Check. Airbase Check. Manufacturing Hub. Check, Army Headquarters. Check, Troops there. Check. Training civilians for invasion. Check. But golly gee it wasn't a military target HONEST.

300,000 + civilians = a civilian center. You lack the courage to look at the issue clearly and directly.

300000 civilians did not die in Hiroshima and Nagasaki put together.

 

[elektra]

Why do we suppose that the Enola Gay flew with no fighter escorts? There was a weather plane and another plane to take photos and footage of the blast. But there were no fighters. Why? Because we knew that Hiroshima was not a military target, certainly not a “military base,” and because we also knew that Japan was virtually defenseless against air attack.

Good one!

Fourth time on this one, where are the links to the studies.

another internet link dink......eat this>

Truman Revisted: Historian Says Harry Gave 'Em Racism

In 1911, the year he turned 27, Truman wrote to his future wife, Bess: ″I think one man is just as good as another so long as he’s honest and decent and not a ****** or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a white man from dust, a ****** from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman.″



″(Uncle Will) does hate Chinese and Japs,″ Truman continued. ″So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, yellow men in Asia and white men in Europe and America.″

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Ha, ha, ha, you quote Griffinth and me yet you dont refute what I stated.

And did you forget about linking to the quotes you posted?

 

[elektra]

Why do we suppose that the Enola Gay flew with no fighter escorts? There was a weather plane and another plane to take photos and footage of the blast. But there were no fighters. Why? Because we knew that Hiroshima was not a military target, certainly not a “military base,” and because we also knew that Japan was virtually defenseless against air attack.

Good one!

Fourth time on this one, where are the links to the studies.

another internet link dink......eat this>

Truman Revisted: Historian Says Harry Gave 'Em Racism

In 1911, the year he turned 27, Truman wrote to his future wife, Bess: ″I think one man is just as good as another so long as he’s honest and decent and not a ****** or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a white man from dust, a ****** from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman.″



″(Uncle Will) does hate Chinese and Japs,″ Truman continued. ″So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, yellow men in Asia and white men in Europe and America.″

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Yes, Democrats not only invented the racial slur, they also used it. Surprise, surprise, surprise.

Yes, links, as the rule states, so we can keep you lying liberal revisionists at least address your posted bull shit

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[sparky]

Yes, links, as the rule states, so we can keep you lying liberal revisionists at least address your posted bull shit

Misdirected comments like that are entirely WHY historic revisionism exists

~S~

 

[sparky]

And did you forget about linking to the quotes you posted?

meaning the top brass quotes

yes i've linked to them many times , in many threads

and so could YOU Einstein

welcome to my ignore list

~S~

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Port. Check. Airbase Check. Manufacturing Hub. Check, Army Headquarters. Check, Troops there. Check. Training civilians for invasion. Check. But golly gee it wasn't a military target HONEST.

300,000 + civilians = a civilian center. You lack the courage to look at the issue clearly and directly.

You are the one IGNORING facts.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

And did you forget about linking to the quotes you posted?

meaning the top brass quotes

yes i've linked to them many times , in many threads

and so could YOU Einstein

welcome to my ignore list

~S~

You have NOT every linked to an actual source that proves those quotes.

 

[elektra]

welcome to my ignore list

~S~

I am so, so, so, sorry I made you cry. I deserve to be ignored. I was so unfair, asking where you got a quote. I hope I did not completely crush you. I had no idea how weak you are. Maybe you should change your user name to, "D student". Then we will know to be extra sensitive with you.

 

[sparky]

You have NOT every linked to an actual source that proves those quotes.

yeah i have, and any idiot could as well

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