"The Obamacare implosion is worse than you think"

[Amelia]

He did. Definitely. But Republicans destroyed it to. You know why? Cause the health care lobbyists wrote a bill that is fucking many of an Americans. They literally wrote the bill. So its no surprise Obamacare sucks for most of us.

You're blaming the GOP because the Dems colluded with health care lobbyists to write and pass a bill that the GOP voted against?

Your cognitive dissonance is pathetic.

That one always cracks me up. I get that Republicans would have probably served up a similar heap of manure. But this time it was the Democrats. They own it outright.

Republicans wouldn't have done it at all. Whatever their theoretical plans they woudln't have done much if anything on the healthcare front. Especially not during or right after a recession.

That's what some people use to excuse Democrats' lies. They say, "Well, Republicans had their chance and didn't reform healthcare, so the Democrats did what they had to do."

Except of course Democrats didn't do what they had to do. They didn't have to lie. They didn't have to do things which would disincentivize growth and employment. They didn't have to ignore everything they knew about economic realities and pretend that all of a sudden employers would be willing to swallow all sorts of new costs that they've spent decades trying to avoid. Etc. Democrats didn't have to create such an incredibly bad piece of legislation. Nothing Republicans did or didn't do justified the assault the Democrats made on our governing principles.

 

[Amelia]

Hey Amelia I hit my 24 hour limit on rep could you rep spoonman and Simo for me?

I got Simo. I have to spread some before I can get spoonman ... or you.

what do you mean you got simo?

I repped you.

 

[william the wie]

Check your rep at USP. But back to dishing the dirt. The Rs will probably lose McCon in KY and still net 9 senate seats, governorships will be harder since that is a target poor environment and in the house there are extremely few vulnerable seats on either side of the aisle so again single digit pick-ups.

The problem is what will the Rs do without say Hillary and a last ditch defense of ACA to give them massive wins on the state level in the run up to reappoarchment?

 

[william the wie]

Amelia, Spoonman and Boedicca you are ignoring the economic problems of China and the EU. If either of them have a hard landing much a sympathetic mutual crash that will make ACA look like the worst decision in US economic history.

No repeal, reform or replacement of ACA will get either China or the EU, much less both, out of the economic ditch. And that implicit claim is being made by the Rs.

 

[percysunshine]

This should go over well next November.

HHS announces new Medicare cuts | TheHill

In for a penny, in for a pound...I guess...

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[william the wie]

This should go over well next November.

HHS announces new Medicare cuts | TheHill

In for a penny, in for a pound...I guess...

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If it were possible this stunt would create veto-proof majorities in both houses of congress this year.

 

[percysunshine]

This should go over well next November.

HHS announces new Medicare cuts | TheHill

In for a penny, in for a pound...I guess...

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If it were possible this stunt would create veto-proof majorities in both houses of congress this year.

This has to be some sort of false flag double head fake politi-jitsu illusion or something.

It must be a trap. They are not that stupid.....are they?

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[william the wie]

if you have evidence to the contrary I'd like to see it.

 

[Spoonman]

of course obamcare is a way for employers to shift more cost to the employees and reduce their own burden. Employer paid health benefits will soon be a thing of the past.

Will You Be Hit by This Massive Obamacare Side Effect?

 

[william the wie]

of course obamcare is a way for employers to shift more cost to the employees and reduce their own burden. Employer paid health benefits will soon be a thing of the past.

Will You Be Hit by This Massive Obamacare Side Effect?

Well technically it isn't a side effect of Obamacare, more like an undesirable outcome fully enabled by Ocare. "We were planning on doing this anyway." is probably true but with the don't blame Ocare rule?

Employers screwing over their employees and very carefully not blaming the program that is acting as the catalyst for the outcome not wanted by the voters? Wow!

 

[RKMBrown]

of course obamcare is a way for employers to shift more cost to the employees and reduce their own burden. Employer paid health benefits will soon be a thing of the past.

Will You Be Hit by This Massive Obamacare Side Effect?

Technically they should not have to owe employees any benefits.

When SS and medicare became federally managed programs, the writing was on the wall for non-professional employee pay and benefits. The relationship between employer and employee, for non-professional jobs, was permanently severed.

For non professional jobs, we would eventually become a socialist nation, where government sets the living wage rate and living benefits rate to a low bar previously unheard of for our country. And the communists on the left rejoice in their self-imposed squalor.

 

[Amelia]

Two-thirds of small businessworkers to see Obamacare premium hikes | The Daily Caller

 

[william the wie]

Good find and this will add to the problems the Ds will have in the next two elections.

 

[Antares]

Good find and this will add to the problems the Ds will have in the next two elections.

Only if the pubs man up and use it correctly.

 

[william the wie]

Good find and this will add to the problems the Ds will have in the next two elections.

Only if the pubs man up and use it correctly.

I didn't say it would help the Rs just hurt the Ds.

 

[Spoonman]

The next shoe? how many feet does this failed policy have? a few dozen shoes have dropped already

The Next Shoe To Drop: Obamacare Will Increase The Cost Of Employer-Sponsored Insurance - Forbes

The Next Shoe To Drop: Obamacare Will Increase The Cost Of Employer-Sponsored Insurance

 

[Spoonman]

Libs, you have to love them. They will try to spin a turd into a rose. So we signed up 4 million, never mind we cancelled the plans of 5 million, a net loss of 1 million. but they still claim they are close to therir 7 million signed goal? i wonder how many of the 4 million signed are part of the 5 million who lost benefits? that puts them even further away from their target

Obamacare Jumps 33 Percent to 4 Million Sign Ups - Yahoo Finance

 

[william the wie]

Libs, you have to love them. They will try to spin a turd into a rose. So we signed up 4 million, never mind we cancelled the plans of 5 million, a net loss of 1 million. but they still claim they are close to therir 7 million signed goal? i wonder how many of the 4 million signed are part of the 5 million who lost benefits? that puts them even further away from their target

Obamacare Jumps 33 Percent to 4 Million Sign Ups - Yahoo Finance

Hindenberg.gov also does not cover cancellations, working parttime at two different subsidiaries of the same company such as Yum! foods, Darden or a long list of other companies and numerous other loopholes. Again we will not know the facts until we see the quarterly reports by the insurance companies.

 

[MeBelle]

Libs, you have to love them. They will try to spin a turd into a rose. So we signed up 4 million, never mind we cancelled the plans of 5 million, a net loss of 1 million. but they still claim they are close to therir 7 million signed goal? i wonder how many of the 4 million signed are part of the 5 million who lost benefits? that puts them even further away from their target

Obamacare Jumps 33 Percent to 4 Million Sign Ups - Yahoo Finance

Very clever wording!


~Roughly 4 million Americans have signed up for health coverage on the new insurance exchanges, the Obama administration said Tuesday. That’s still about 3 million short of the White House’s goal of enrolling 7 million people before the March 31 deadline.~

~These latest figures do not indicate how many of these people have actually paid for their plans. The figures simply reflect who has selected a policy. One CNN survey of insurers conducted last month found that one in five people had not paid their premiums. Whether that is accurate is not clear.~

~Another important question the figures do not answer is how many of the new enrollees previously lacked health coverage. This is important since a key goal of the healthcare reform law was to extend access to coverage for the millions of uninsured Americans.~

 

[emilynghiem]

I look forward to the day when people agree to treat the ACA mandates as voluntary
for whoever chooses to participate and support that program. So whoever signed up,
whoever voted and supported this bill, those are responsible for making it work.

those who didn't agree to the terms, or sign up for this,
we have equal right and freedom as before to go fund and run other means of
supporting health care on a sustainable basis using free choice we believe in as well.

When is that realization going to hit that giving people free choice will always work better? Because people will invest in the programs they WANT to succeed.

Libs, you have to love them. They will try to spin a turd into a rose. So we signed up 4 million, never mind we cancelled the plans of 5 million, a net loss of 1 million. but they still claim they are close to therir 7 million signed goal? i wonder how many of the 4 million signed are part of the 5 million who lost benefits? that puts them even further away from their target

Obamacare Jumps 33 Percent to 4 Million Sign Ups - Yahoo Finance

Very clever wording!


~Roughly 4 million Americans have signed up for health coverage on the new insurance exchanges, the Obama administration said Tuesday. That’s still about 3 million short of the White House’s goal of enrolling 7 million people before the March 31 deadline.~

~These latest figures do not indicate how many of these people have actually paid for their plans. The figures simply reflect who has selected a policy. One CNN survey of insurers conducted last month found that one in five people had not paid their premiums. Whether that is accurate is not clear.~

~Another important question the figures do not answer is how many of the new enrollees previously lacked health coverage. This is important since a key goal of the healthcare reform law was to extend access to coverage for the millions of uninsured Americans.~