"The Obamacare implosion is worse than you think"

[william the wie]

I look forward to the day when people agree to treat the ACA mandates as voluntary
for whoever chooses to participate and support that program. So whoever signed up,
whoever voted and supported this bill, those are responsible for making it work.

those who didn't agree to the terms, or sign up for this,
we have equal right and freedom as before to go fund and run other means of
supporting health care on a sustainable basis using free choice we believe in as well.

When is that realization going to hit that giving people free choice will always work better? Because people will invest in the programs they WANT to succeed.

Libs, you have to love them. They will try to spin a turd into a rose. So we signed up 4 million, never mind we cancelled the plans of 5 million, a net loss of 1 million. but they still claim they are close to therir 7 million signed goal? i wonder how many of the 4 million signed are part of the 5 million who lost benefits? that puts them even further away from their target

Obamacare Jumps 33 Percent to 4 Million Sign Ups - Yahoo Finance

Very clever wording!


~Roughly 4 million Americans have signed up for health coverage on the new insurance exchanges, the Obama administration said Tuesday. That’s still about 3 million short of the White House’s goal of enrolling 7 million people before the March 31 deadline.~

~These latest figures do not indicate how many of these people have actually paid for their plans. The figures simply reflect who has selected a policy. One CNN survey of insurers conducted last month found that one in five people had not paid their premiums. Whether that is accurate is not clear.~

~Another important question the figures do not answer is how many of the new enrollees previously lacked health coverage. This is important since a key goal of the healthcare reform law was to extend access to coverage for the millions of uninsured Americans.~

No offense but dream on and that includes assumptions of efficacy if you can afford an exchange policy.

 

[asterism]

Libs, you have to love them. They will try to spin a turd into a rose. So we signed up 4 million, never mind we cancelled the plans of 5 million, a net loss of 1 million. but they still claim they are close to therir 7 million signed goal? i wonder how many of the 4 million signed are part of the 5 million who lost benefits? that puts them even further away from their target

Obamacare Jumps 33 Percent to 4 Million Sign Ups - Yahoo Finance

Those are people who signed up for a plan. Those are not people currently covered by the Affordable Care Act.

I've signed up for 2 plans myself. I haven't paid for either of them because my current plan is better than both of them. I've had to sign one client up for 5 plans because the healthcare.gov data didn't make it to the insurance companies so they were never enrolled even though they paid (they were eventually refunded). It took 7 tries for another client because the income verification module kept crashing last week. We finally got one session where we completed the qualification process and made to payment of premium but on Monday there were 7 separate applications with 7 different insurance company record IDs, and only 1 policy actually issued. That counts as 7 "sign ups" in the ACA reporting though.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The Obama administration is running into a somewhat surprising roadblock in its final push to get Americans enrolled in Obamacare ahead of the March 31 deadline: The nation's uninsured are increasingly suspicious of the law.

Fifty-six percent of those who identified as uninsured in a new poll conducted in February by the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation, a research institution, had an unfavorable view of the health care reform law, compared to just 22 percent who said they view it favorably. The uninsured now see Obamacare less favorably than they did when the enrollment period began in October. As recently as September, more uninsured approved of the law than disapproved.

The survey results illustrate just how deep a hole the Obama administration is in when it comes to gaining the support of those the law is most intended to benefit. Indeed, the new findings show the uninsured feel worse about the law than the public at large. Thirty-five percent of Americans approve of Obamacare and 47 percent are against it, according to Kaiser.

The Uninsured Are Turning Against Obamacare. That's A Problem

 

[asterism]

I look forward to the day when people agree to treat the ACA mandates as voluntary
for whoever chooses to participate and support that program. So whoever signed up,
whoever voted and supported this bill, those are responsible for making it work.

those who didn't agree to the terms, or sign up for this,
we have equal right and freedom as before to go fund and run other means of
supporting health care on a sustainable basis using free choice we believe in as well.

When is that realization going to hit that giving people free choice will always work better? Because people will invest in the programs they WANT to succeed.

Very clever wording!


~Roughly 4 million Americans have signed up for health coverage on the new insurance exchanges, the Obama administration said Tuesday. That’s still about 3 million short of the White House’s goal of enrolling 7 million people before the March 31 deadline.~

~These latest figures do not indicate how many of these people have actually paid for their plans. The figures simply reflect who has selected a policy. One CNN survey of insurers conducted last month found that one in five people had not paid their premiums. Whether that is accurate is not clear.~

~Another important question the figures do not answer is how many of the new enrollees previously lacked health coverage. This is important since a key goal of the healthcare reform law was to extend access to coverage for the millions of uninsured Americans.~

No offense but dream on and that includes assumptions of efficacy if you can afford an exchange policy.

Due to the structure of the federal subsidies, everyone can afford a policy on the exchange. The system will eventually break due to that structure, but EVERYONE can afford a policy currently. The problem is that for those who can afford to pay it costs so much more for so much less actual insurance.

But the fix is in - Medicare for All is coming. That's the goal, that's the plan, and there's no turning back now. It's a shame, Medicare is on the verge of collapse and that's one of the reasons the compromise between the current system and single-payer will be expanding Medicare Advantage to buy some time.

 

[william the wie]

I look forward to the day when people agree to treat the ACA mandates as voluntary
for whoever chooses to participate and support that program. So whoever signed up,
whoever voted and supported this bill, those are responsible for making it work.

those who didn't agree to the terms, or sign up for this,
we have equal right and freedom as before to go fund and run other means of
supporting health care on a sustainable basis using free choice we believe in as well.

When is that realization going to hit that giving people free choice will always work better? Because people will invest in the programs they WANT to succeed.

No offense but dream on and that includes assumptions of efficacy if you can afford an exchange policy.

Due to the structure of the federal subsidies, everyone can afford a policy on the exchange. The system will eventually break due to that structure, but EVERYONE can afford a policy currently. The problem is that for those who can afford to pay it costs so much more for so much less actual insurance.

But the fix is in - Medicare for All is coming. That's the goal, that's the plan, and there's no turning back now. It's a shame, Medicare is on the verge of collapse and that's one of the reasons the compromise between the current system and single-payer will be expanding Medicare Advantage to buy some time.

Could you do a thread on that? While I like most of the people on USMB my goal here is to learn things. For just talking Panera's or Starbucks is the right place to go.

 

[asterism]

No offense but dream on and that includes assumptions of efficacy if you can afford an exchange policy.

Due to the structure of the federal subsidies, everyone can afford a policy on the exchange. The system will eventually break due to that structure, but EVERYONE can afford a policy currently. The problem is that for those who can afford to pay it costs so much more for so much less actual insurance.

But the fix is in - Medicare for All is coming. That's the goal, that's the plan, and there's no turning back now. It's a shame, Medicare is on the verge of collapse and that's one of the reasons the compromise between the current system and single-payer will be expanding Medicare Advantage to buy some time.

Could you do a thread on that? While I like most of the people on USMB my goal here is to learn things. For just talking Panera's or Starbucks is the right place to go.

Do a thread on what? That everyone can afford healthcare insurance currently?

 

[william the wie]

The exact legal restrictions on how exchange policies can be written. For example exchange policies are required to take all pre-existing conditions but are not required to cover the specialists and drugs needed to treat any specific pre-existing conditions and that is hard to query about on the exchanges. Since those omissions are the result of state or federal employees recourse is quite dicey. Ocare compliant non-exchange policies have no such figleaf in the courts. I was wondering what other such surprises await.

 

[asterism]

The exact legal restrictions on how exchange policies can be written. For example exchange policies are required to take all pre-existing conditions but are not required to cover the specialists and drugs needed to treat any specific pre-existing conditions and that is hard to query about on the exchanges. Since those omissions are the result of state or federal employees recourse is quite dicey. Ocare compliant non-exchange policies have no such figleaf in the courts. I was wondering what other such surprises await.

Oh that's a very good point. While rare for most people, in national policy it adds up to millions of negative situations. Sure, mammograms for Lupus patients are "free" but the actual medications to treat Lupus? Unaffordable for most. But hey, at least they don't have to pay $60 to screen for a disease that'll likely kill them after they have already died from Lupus so that's a good thing right?

 

[Politico]

I look forward to the day when people agree to treat the ACA mandates as voluntary
for whoever chooses to participate and support that program. So whoever signed up,
whoever voted and supported this bill, those are responsible for making it work.

those who didn't agree to the terms, or sign up for this,
we have equal right and freedom as before to go fund and run other means of
supporting health care on a sustainable basis using free choice we believe in as well.

When is that realization going to hit that giving people free choice will always work better? Because people will invest in the programs they WANT to succeed.

No offense but dream on and that includes assumptions of efficacy if you can afford an exchange policy.

Due to the structure of the federal subsidies, everyone can afford a policy on the exchange. The system will eventually break due to that structure, but EVERYONE can afford a policy currently. The problem is that for those who can afford to pay it costs so much more for so much less actual insurance.

But the fix is in - Medicare for All is coming. That's the goal, that's the plan, and there's no turning back now. It's a shame, Medicare is on the verge of collapse and that's one of the reasons the compromise between the current system and single-payer will be expanding Medicare Advantage to buy some time.

Well that's BS.

 

[william the wie]

The exact legal restrictions on how exchange policies can be written. For example exchange policies are required to take all pre-existing conditions but are not required to cover the specialists and drugs needed to treat any specific pre-existing conditions and that is hard to query about on the exchanges. Since those omissions are the result of state or federal employees recourse is quite dicey. Ocare compliant non-exchange policies have no such figleaf in the courts. I was wondering what other such surprises await.

Oh that's a very good point. While rare for most people, in national policy it adds up to millions of negative situations. Sure, mammograms for Lupus patients are "free" but the actual medications to treat Lupus? Unaffordable for most. But hey, at least they don't have to pay $60 to screen for a disease that'll likely kill them after they have already died from Lupus so that's a good thing right?

So, very true.

 

[Spoonman]

He did. Definitely. But Republicans destroyed it to. You know why? Cause the health care lobbyists wrote a bill that is fucking many of an Americans. They literally wrote the bill. So its no surprise Obamacare sucks for most of us.

You're blaming the GOP because the Dems colluded with health care lobbyists to write and pass a bill that the GOP voted against?

Your cognitive dissonance is pathetic.

That one always cracks me up. I get that Republicans would have probably served up a similar heap of manure. But this time it was the Democrats. They own it outright.

i thought obamacare was basically romneycare?

 

[dblack]

You're blaming the GOP because the Dems colluded with health care lobbyists to write and pass a bill that the GOP voted against?

Your cognitive dissonance is pathetic.

That one always cracks me up. I get that Republicans would have probably served up a similar heap of manure. But this time it was the Democrats. They own it outright.

i thought obamacare was basically romneycare?

Same basic thing, yeah. Except that it was the Democrats who signed off on it. Damnedest thing - we elect Democrats and get Republican legislation. We can't win for losing.

 

[Spoonman]

so the people who this was made for are rejecting it? lol

The Uninsured Are Turning Against Obamacare. That's A Problem

 

[dblack]

so the people who this was made for are rejecting it? lol

The insurance companies? Nah, I think they're ok with it.

 

[Spoonman]

how out of touch with reality is this guy?

Harry Reid calls ObamaCare victims liars | Human Events

 

[william the wie]

You have noticed that this acting out has not been getting play on most news outlets?

 

[RKMBrown]

That one always cracks me up. I get that Republicans would have probably served up a similar heap of manure. But this time it was the Democrats. They own it outright.

i thought obamacare was basically romneycare?

Same basic thing, yeah. Except that it was the Democrats who signed off on it. Damnedest thing - we elect Democrats and get Republican legislation. We can't win for losing.

Not true at all. The two are completely different.

 

[Spoonman]

Florida restaurant chain adds Obamacare surcharge to meal bills

priceless

 

[william the wie]

Florida restaurant chain adds Obamacare surcharge to meal bills

priceless

This is one of the growing number of restaurants doing this but how did they calculate the PC? 1% seems inadequate.

 

[Spoonman]

LOL more reasons its bad then people who have signed up. what a legacy

11 Million Examples of Obamacare's Higher Costs (ESRX, WBMD)