The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[Jay Stone]

Around 600 BC.. before Islam, Sargon 2 settled four Arab tribes in Samaria.

Why do you reject your brightest scholars.. your historians, archaeologists, your scientists, your military historians?

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The word “arab“ is Greek. Was Sargon Greek?

 

[Jay Stone]

Around 600 BC.. before Islam, Sargon 2 settled four Arab tribes in Samaria.

Why do you reject your brightest scholars.. your historians, archaeologists, your scientists, your military historians?

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Muhammad al-Sharkawi, “History of the Development of the Arabic Language”: “In fact, there is no native Arab recorded definition or historiography of the Arabs before the advent of Islam or immediately thereafter that is written in Arabic.”

 

[Jay Stone]

Around 600 BC.. before Islam, Sargon 2 settled four Arab tribes in Samaria.

Why do you reject your brightest scholars.. your historians, archaeologists, your scientists, your military historians?

Israel is rewriting the history of Middle Eastern Jews for propaganda | Opinion

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Eminent scholar of Arab history Professor Peter Webb, “Reimagining The Arabs”: “Arabian populations (pre-Islam) left no records referring to themselves as ‘Arabs.’ Suspicions that there was no ancient ‘Arab community’ are corroborated in the centuries before Islam. Archaeologists have unearthed thousands of pre-Islamic inscriptions and reference to ‘Arab’ is absent within this corpus.”

 

[surada]

The word “arab“ is Greek. Was Sargon Greek?

Nope. He was an Arab.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Nope. He was an Arab.

Someone from Arabia, possibly. Did he consider himself to be an Arab? Did he call himself one?

 

[surada]

Someone from Arabia, possibly. Did he consider himself to be an Arab? Did he call himself one?

They identified as Arabs from the 9th century BC. Are you a European Jew?

Arabs - Wikipedia

 

[Sixties Fan]

They identified as Arabs from the 9th century BC. Are you a European Jew?

Arabs - Wikipedia

In other words, since the term Arab can only be found from the 9th Century BCE, Sargon, an Akkadian, never ever called himself one, but identified himself and his people as Akkadians, nor did anyone else before that Century. And that would include Abraham and Mose's wives who were not Arabs.

But, keep dreaming.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

This discussion moves at the speed of light, with hardly a second to be translated to fingertips typing away furiously. But little light is shed.

Earlier there was mention by Surada that Israeli Professor Shlomo Sands and Zionist leader BenGurion argued that Palestinian Muslims & Christians in part descended from earlier Jewish populations. I really didn’t like the answer of Joe Stone (& SixtiesFan?) that merely denigrated Sands for having specialized in European history, nationalist movements, film, etc.

That was about as relevant as pointing out that BenGurion was a vegetarian. Whatever one thinks of Shlomo Sands’ political views, his historical reframing of European Jewish roots and Zionist nation-building history provided a controversial but useful alternative to the present Israeli-centric historiography of Judiac scholars. His famous book about Jewish national self-imagining is interesting and spurred many different responses:

The Invention of the Jewish People - Wikipedia

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[rylah]

Nope. He was an Arab.

Really ,did he even speak Arabic?

 

[rylah]

This discussion moves at the speed of light, with hardly a second to be translated to fingertips typing away furiously. But little light is shed.

Earlier there was mention by Surada that Israeli Professor Shlomo Sands and Zionist leader BenGurion argued that Palestinian Muslims & Christians in part descended from earlier Jewish populations. I really didn’t like the answer of Joe Stone (& SixtiesFan?) that merely denigrated Sands for having specialized in European history, nationalist movements, film, etc.

That was about as relevant as pointing out that BenGurion was a vegetarian. Whatever one thinks of Shlomo Sands’ political views, his historical reframing of European Jewish roots and Zionist nation-building history provided a controversial but useful alternative to the present Israeli-centric historiography of Judiac scholars. His famous book of Jewish national self-imagining is interesting and spurred many different responses:

The Invention of the Jewish People - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

It is exactly because of people like Shlomah Sand,
that you can see the authenticity of the Jewish people.
Other nations didn't dare question their own identity so openly.

Which is why it remained intact to witness all empires go down into
the dustbin of history, and to revive their civilization despite the odds.

 

[rylah]

They identified as Arabs from the 9th century BC. Are you a European Jew?

Arabs - Wikipedia

The first historic record mentioning Arabs is only 1300 after Sargon?

Quiet late arrival to the history of human civilization...

 

[surada]

The first historic record mentioning Arabs is only 1300 after Sargon?

Quiet late arrival to the history of human civilization...

Not Sargon 2 Sargon. He was an Arab.. an Akkadian from the Arabian peninsula.

Moses'wife Zipporah was an Arab and so was Abraham's wife Keturah. The Edomites, Amorites and Midianites were all Arabs.

 

[rylah]

Not Sargon 2 Sargon. He was an Arab.. an Akkadian from the Arabian peninsula.

Moses'wife Zipporah was an Arab and so was Abraham's wife Keturah. The Edomites, Amorites and Midianites were all Arabs.

They were all Arabs 1300 years
before Arabs even appear in historic record?

See, even when Arab supremacists try to rewrite history,
you also inevitably admit Arabs are not indigenous to the Levant.

 

[Jay Stone]

Nope. He was an Arab.

No ancient civilizations were Arabs. Sorry.

 

[Jay Stone]

They were all Arabs 1300 years
before Arabs even appear in historic record?

See, even when Arab supremacists try to rewrite history,
you also inevitably admit Arabs are not indigenous to the Levant.

Arabs are obviously indigenous to the Arabian peninsula. Old Arab proverb: “Yemen is the womb of the Arabs.”

 

[Jay Stone]

Not Sargon 2 Sargon. He was an Arab.. an Akkadian from the Arabian peninsula.

Moses'wife Zipporah was an Arab and so was Abraham's wife Keturah. The Edomites, Amorites and Midianites were all Arabs.

No. Arabs didn‘t populate the eastern Mediterranean until the Arab Conquests in the Middle Ages. Conquest—Get it? Arabs conquered other people. Arabs didn‘t conquer Arabs.

 

[surada]

No. Arabs didn‘t populate the eastern Mediterranean until the Arab Conquests in the Middle Ages. Conquest—Get it? Arabs conquered other people.

Long before Islam they traded with Egypt, Mesopotamia and Palestine. Herod and the pharaohs bought frankense and myrr for funeral rituals. They also traded salt, pearls and textiles from their trade with the Indus valley.

 

[Jay Stone]

They identified as Arabs from the 9th century BC. Are you a European Jew?

Arabs - Wikipedia

Arab historians trace the first Arab tribes to the year 500 CE. That’s the Middle Ages, not ancient history. Sorry.

 

[Jay Stone]

Long before Islam they traded with Egypt, Mesopotamia and Palestine. Herod and the pharaohs bought frankense and myrr for funeral rituals. They also traded salt, pearls and textiles from their trade with the Indus valley.

You just make this stupid shit up as you go along?

 

[Jay Stone]

Long before Islam they traded with Egypt, Mesopotamia and Palestine. Herod and the pharaohs bought frankense and myrr for funeral rituals. They also traded salt, pearls and textiles from their trade with the Indus valley.

In the history of Arabs by Albert Hourani, Arab history started in the Islamic period. No bullshit about Akkadians or other ancient civilizations having been Arabs.