The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[Sixties Fan]

Nope. Read the Turkish census of 1870. Jews were a tiny minority and they made no effort to count the Bedouin. The Muslim Quarter of Jerusalem was the largest.

It is not about how many Aborigines were found in Australia when the Europeans arrived, or when the Europeans arrived in New Zealand, or Hawaii or the Americas.
The Europeans knew who were the indigenous people of all of those places the same way the Kurds and Arab Muslims knew who were the indigenous people in Jerusalem and the area of the Nation of Israel.

It is never about how many Jews were living in their homeland back than or 200 years ago, or 100 years ago.

You play this number nonsense all the time.

You do KNOW that the Arabs are not the indigenous people of Ancient Canaan, of Israel, of Judea and of Jerusalem.

Generation after generation of Arabs, Muslim and Christian, in Gaza and the PA are paying the price for those lies, for some Muslims and Christians being intolerant to Jewish sovereignty over their own ancient homeland.

But you keep up the lies as if their lives do not matter.

 

[surada]

It is not about how many Aborigines were found in Australia when the Europeans arrived, or when the Europeans arrived in New Zealand, or Hawaii or the Americas.
The Europeans knew who were the indigenous people of all of those places the same way the Kurds and Arab Muslims knew who were the indigenous people in Jerusalem and the area of the Nation of Israel.

It is never about how many Jews were living in their homeland back than or 200 years ago, or 100 years ago.

You play this number nonsense all the time.

You do KNOW that the Arabs are not the indigenous people of Ancient Canaan, of Israel, of Judea and of Jerusalem.

Generation after generation of Arabs, Muslim and Christian, in Gaza and the PA are paying the price for those lies, for some Muslims and Christians being intolerant to Jewish sovereignty over their own ancient homeland.

But you keep up the lies as if their lives do not matter.

Canaan was Egyptian.. so was Sinai. It was inhabited by Canaanites.

Canaan

Canaan was the name of a large and prosperous ancient country (at times independent, at others a tributary to Egypt) located in the Levant region of present-day Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Israel. It...

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[rylah]

Nope. Read the Turkish census of 1870. Jews were a tiny minority and they made no effort to count the Bedouin. The Muslim Quarter of Jerusalem was the largest.

Exactly, indigenous nations are minorities.

What do Arab supremacists have against minority rights?

 

[surada]

Exactly, indigenous nations are minorities.

What do Arab supremacists have against minority rights?

What if 100 million African refugees immigrated to the US in the next 15 years and they were armed socialists?

 

[rylah]

What if 100 million African refugees immigrated to the US in the next 15 years and they were armed socialists?

What if they ware Cherokees? I'd say historic justice!

Do Arab supremacists also blame Africans for expelling the local
Jewish communities from all their holy cities, and initiating Zionism?

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[rylah]

When you can't even pronounce 'P-alestine',
and carry a flag invented by the British empire...

 

[surada]

What if they ware Cherokees? I'd say historic justice!

Do Arab supremacists also blame Africans for expelling the local
Jewish communities from all their holy cities, and initiating Zionism?

Cherokee Tribe of Northeast Alabama Recognizes Israel as Sovereign Jewish Nation and Jerusalem as its Eternal Undivided Capital

On September 25th, the Tribal Council of the Cherokee Tribe of Northeast Alabama met to share a meal together and convene for tribal affairs

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Our treatment of the American Indians is shameful...a dark period in US history. That's why colonizing occupied territory is illegal. That's why we didn't let Iraq take over Kuwait even though Kuwait was once a province of Iraq.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Our treatment of the American Indians is shameful...a dark period in US history. That's why colonizing occupied territory is illegal. That's why we didn't let Iraq take over Kuwait even though Kuwait was once a province of Iraq.

Then tell the Arabs to stop occupying Jewish Homeland territory. That goes for the whole area of the Mandate for Palestine, where 80% is now occupied by foreign Arabs.

And let us add all of North Africa, which belongs to the indigenous minorities which have been occupied and also colonized since the 7th century CE.

 

[surada]

Then tell the Arabs to stop occupying Jewish Homeland territory. That goes for the whole area of the Mandate for Palestine, where 80% is now occupied by foreign Arabs.

And let us add all of North Africa, which belongs to the indigenous minorities which have been occupied and also colonized since the 7th century CE.

It was Arab homeland too. The British didn't give you all of Palestine or any part of Transjordan, Lebanon, the Golan heights, Shayba farms, east Jerusalem or the West Bank. Other people lived there for thousands of years..

 

[Sixties Fan]

It was Arab homeland too. The British didn't give you all of Palestine or any part of Transjordan, Lebanon, the Golan heights, Shayba farms, east Jerusalem or the West Bank. Other people lived there for thousands of years..

No, no, no.

You are distorting it for your own purposes.

Someone's homeland is different from someone invading, colonizing and keeping the Indigenous people as a minority and without the right all people should have.

According to your thinking, Arabia, all of Asia Minor and North Africa is also Arab homeland. Simply because they moved there, by force, and took land by force.

But that is not what one's homeland is, and you do know that.

Your Irish's ancestor's homeland is Ireland.
Your Dutch ancestor's homeland is the Netherlands.

Having moved anywhere else in the world and made a home there, does not make it their Indigenous homeland.

You do know that.

That is how it works for all peoples on the planet.

But you and the Arab Nation, or Muslim Nation, and the Christian Nation as well, do insist that when it comes to Jews, they do not have an ancient homeland, and as it was taken from them, they cannot ever have it back.

Indigenous people from all over the world 1000% disagree with this very distorted view of what constitutes one's homeland.

Especially when the Ancient indigenous people are not allowed to retain not even 20% of the 100% which should have been theirs by right, and too many people are trying to destroy that country and make sure that its people can never have a country of their own, especially ON their own ancient homeland, ever again.


That is what you are working too hard for.

 

[rylah]

It was Arab homeland too. The British didn't give you all of Palestine or any part of Transjordan, Lebanon, the Golan heights, Shayba farms, east Jerusalem or the West Bank. Other people lived there for thousands of years..

Arab imperialists say the same about Africa.

So your problem is that there is one Jewish state in Levant,
or that the Middle East didn't end up entirely under the Arab yoke?

B

 

[surada]

Arab imperialists say the same about Africa.

So your problem is that there is one Jewish state in Levant,
or that the Middle East didn't end up entirely under the Arab yoke?

B

Nope. I don't have a problem with a Jewish state at all. I have a problem with the Zionists taking more land than they were given.

The temple was destroyed in 70 AD by the Romans not the Arabs. The Haram Al Shariff has been there nearly 1400 years. It no longer belongs to the Jews. You know the law.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Nope. I don't have a problem with a Jewish state at all. I have a problem with the Zionists taking more land than they were given.

The temple was destroyed in 70 AD by the Romans not the Arabs. The Haram Al Shariff has been there nearly 1400 years. It no longer belongs to the Jews. You know the law.

Jews were given ALL of the Mandate for Palestine. All of it. But with the Arab riots and rejection of a Jewish State, it became less and less. In 1922 it definitely became much less by the British suddenly giving 78% to the Hashemite foreign Arab tribe.

Why did the Hashemites have any rights to 78% of the Jewish Ancient homeland?
Answer that.

Arab thieves now own the Temple Mount? Under whose's law?

The Arabs who first came to the land did say that the land belonged to the children of Israel. Guess who those are. It is not the Army of Mohammad, then or now.

 

[surada]

Jews were given ALL of the Mandate for Palestine. All of it. But with the Arab riots and rejection of a Jewish State, it became less and less. In 1922 it definitely became much less by the British suddenly giving 78% to the Hashemite foreign Arab tribe.

Why did the Hashemites have any rights to 78% of the Jewish Ancient homeland?
Answer that.

Arab thieves now own the Temple Mount? Under whose's law?

The Arabs who first came to the land did say that the land belonged to the children of Israel. Guess who those are. It is not the Army of Mohammad, then or now.

By 1948 the Jewish terror gangs had killed over 500 British peacekeepers and then they killed Count Bernadotte who saved 30,000 from the Holocaust.

 

[Sixties Fan]

It was Arab homeland too. The British didn't give you all of Palestine or any part of Transjordan, Lebanon, the Golan heights, Shayba farms, east Jerusalem or the West Bank. Other people lived there for thousands of years..

Let us play the game of whose homeland it is.

Jews made it their home in Arabia, Syria, Mesopotamia, Egypt, Libya, Morocco, and all over Europe, etc from before the destruction of the First Temple.

In other words, by your own thinking, the Jews, like any other people who migrated and lived anywhere in those lands, had every right to remain where they were because they had made where they were their homeland. They built their homes, their businesses, schools, synagogues. Did trade with others.

But wait, Jews decide to be sovereign over any part of their ancient homeland, where many Jews still lived, and some Christians and Muslims decide, because of their 2000 year old beliefs, that the Jews have given away their right to that land.

But wait again, it is ONLY JEWS, not any other indigenous people who can legally regain and rebuild their Nation on their ancient homelands, just as may First Nations in the USA have been doing.


Why only Jews do not have the right to have their ancient capital of Jerusalem, their ancient homelands of Judea and Samaria, the Golan?

You keep mentioning those areas because the Hashemites took those lands in the 1948 war, and not because it actually belonged to a people called Palestinians or the Hashemites.

The Hashemites made sure that for 19 years the other Arabs in those areas would have no control over it, would not even think of building their own State in that area, much less be free of the Hashemites and take over.


Why? Because most Muslims thought that all of the area was an Islamic conquered territory, so it did not matter who occupied or owned it, as long as it was in the hands of Muslims. Exactly as it was during all of centuries of Ottoman conquest.

Come up with something honest. Come up with who is actually Indigenous to the land and who really respects the other's civil, religious, and any other rights not only Jews but Muslims, Christians, Druze and all the other religions which live at the moment in Israel should be able to have.


Those right did not exist to Christians and others under Ottoman and Egyptian or Hashemite control of the territories.


As possibly a Christian you should care, but apparently do not, that Christians have had no rights under Muslim control, that they have been expelled from many of the countries Jews have been expelled, even from cities controlled by Muslims in Areas A and B of Judea and Samaria.


You do not care about the people who really need attention as to what is happening to them. That is quite an amazing world you do live in. Only Arabs matter, they took it, so not they own it.


But the question should be WHICH Arabs, which tribes.......as not all tribes are involved in the conquest of any of the Muslim conquered territories. It might as well still belong to the Ottomans.

You do realize that the Ottomans were a small number of Turks, and one could not possibly say that all the land the Ottomans conquered belonged to all of those living in Turkey?

 

[Sixties Fan]

By 1948 the Jewish terror gangs had killed over 500 British peacekeepers and then they killed Count Bernadotte who saved 30,000 from the Holocaust.

I am not going to cry over those soldiers you insist in calling peacekeepers when they were not. You know that they were not peacekeepers.

 

[Open Bolt]

Canaan was Egyptian..

Egypt briefly conquered and dominated Canaan.

For most of history, Canaan belonged to the Canaanites.

It was inhabited by Canaanites.

The Canaanites in the West Bank area evolved into the Jewish people.

It was Arab homeland too.

No it wasn't. The West Bank is the homeland only of the Jewish people.

The Palestinian homeland is either Jordan or Lebanon.

The Arabic homeland is Arabia.

The British didn't give you all of Palestine or any part of Transjordan, Lebanon, the Golan heights, Shayba farms, east Jerusalem or the West Bank.

Irrelevant.

Other people lived there for thousands of years..

Also irrelevant.

I have a problem with the Zionists taking more land than they were given.

If you didn't want land ownership to be decided by military force, then you shouldn't have started a war with Israel that guaranteed that land ownership would be decided by military force.

If the Arabs had peacefully accepted the UN partition, Israel would have peacefully accepted it as well.

The Haram Al Shariff has been there nearly 1400 years. It no longer belongs to the Jews.

Wrong. Stolen property belongs to the legitimate owners, not to Islamic thieves.

You know the law.

The law says that stolen property belongs to the legitimate owners, not to Islamic thieves.

 

[Roudy]

Nope. Read the Turkish census of 1870. Jews were a tiny minority and they made no effort to count the Bedouin. The Muslim Quarter of Jerusalem was the largest.

Wrong again. It’s good to know actual history as opposed to repeating Islamist propaganda

Did Jews take Israel away from Palestinians? | The Jewish Federation of Sarasota-Manatee

Jews DID NOT take Israel away from Palestinians. Palestine is a geographic region, not a nationality. Jews have lived on the land for thousands of years...

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• It is inaccurate to say Jews are interlopers into the Middle East and that they only came to the land after the Holocaust. While Jews were dispersed from the Middle East at various times, Jews have lived continuously in the Land of Israel, including through Babylonian, Persian, Roman, Byzantine, Muslim and Crusader rule.
• Large Jewish populations were established in Jerusalem and Tiberias by the ninth century BCE and in other cities throughout Palestine by the eleventh century.
• According to a British census in 1864, Jews constituted a majority of the population of Jerusalem. In 1875, an Ottoman census of Jerusalem confirmed the Jewish majority in Jerusalem and another in 1905 showed Jews represented two-thirds of the Jerusalem population.

Land Ownership in Palestine, 1880–1948 | survival

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While there are no precise totals on the extent of Arab immigration between the two World Wars, estimates vary between 60,000 and 100,000. The principal cause of the change of direction was Jewish development, which created new and attractive work opportunities and, in general, a standard of living previously unknown in the Middle East.

In the largely Jewish Haifa area the number of Arab peasants increased by 8 per cent a year during the same period. In the Jaffa and Ramla districts (heavily Jewish populated), the Arab rural population grew from 42,300 to some 126,000—an annual increase of 12 per cent, or more than four times as much as can be attributed to natural increase (L. Shimony, The Arabs of Palestine, Tel-Aviv, 1947, pp. 422–23).

One reason for the Arab gravitation toward Jewish-inhabited areas, and from neighbouring countries to Palestine, was the incomparably higher wage scales paid there, as may be seen from the following table.

 

[Jay Stone]

Abraham was an Arab. Ha ha ha. Now I’ve heard it all.

It gets even more ridiculous: Jesus was a Palestinian.

 

[Jay Stone]

Agreed.



True, but Moabite, Ammonite, and Edomite are Canaanite languages.



DNA shows that the Palestinians are not descended from Israelites, but it does show that the Palestinians are descended from the Canaanites.

Perhaps the Palestinians are descended from the Moabites, Ammonites, or Edomites.



Agreed. Arabs are not from the area.



Archaeology shows that Bronze Age Canaanite culture collapsed and their descendants formed a number of smaller Iron Age cultures.

The two Israelite kingdoms were two of these Iron Age cultures. Other Iron Age cultures to arise from the ashes of Bronze Age Canaan are the Moabites, Ammonites, and Edomites.



Actually that Hadrian guy (the same one who built the wall in the UK) expelled a lot of Jews against their will.



Agreed. And also the Ammonites and Edomites.

I speculate that the Palestinians are descended from the Moabites, Ammonites, or Edomites.

“As a whole, the Lebanese people have more genetic overlap with the Canaanites from Sidon than do other modern Middle Eastern populations such as Jordanians, Syrians or Palestinians.”

The DNA of ancient Canaanites lives on in modern-day Lebanese, genetic analysis shows