The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[Open Bolt]

“As a whole, the Lebanese people have more genetic overlap with the Canaanites from Sidon than do other modern Middle Eastern populations such as Jordanians, Syrians or Palestinians.”

Perhaps the Palestinians are indigenous to Jordan alone then.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Perhaps the Palestinians are indigenous to Jordan alone then.

Being Palestinian is a Nationality acquired in 1963-64 when Arafat set it up in Moscow with the KGB.

Palestinians are mostly Arabs. Being Arabs means that their ancestors came from the Arabian Peninsula all the way to the end of the 19th century, or the first half of the 20th century.

Hashemites are Arabs from Arabia. They had no claim on TransJordan. The British gave it to them in 1922 as a business deal. TransJordan is part of the Jewish homeland which was part of the Mandate for Palestine, aka, Israel.

Each Arab clan will tell their story as coming from Arabia. There are some who became Palestinians who are from Egypt, but are not Arabs.

There are also the Druse and the Bedouin. Some live under the PA, others live as Israelis in Israel.

None of them is indigenous of Ancient Canaan.

You may be confusing the number of Arabs who are Palestinians because they fled Israel in 1948 who have been living in Jordan and make up the majority of the population.

 

[Open Bolt]

None of them is indigenous of Ancient Canaan.

DNA studies disagree. They show the Palestinians as coming from non-Israeli Canaanites. The Moabites and Ammonites look to me like likely ancestors.

 

[Sixties Fan]

DNA studies disagree. They show the Palestinians as coming from non-Israeli Canaanites. The Moabites and Ammonites look to me like likely ancestors.

1) In order to actually be able to tell if any of the Palestinians is related to the Moabites or Ammonites, one would need the DNA of either tribe.
None exists, as not one member of those tribes has come forward in present times. The same thing with the Philistines, Palestinians insist they are also descended from.

2) To say that some who call themselves Palestinians today may be descended from any ancient Canaanite is one thing. But the Palestinians say that ALL of them are descended from ancient Canaanites.

3) Abbas latest version is that the Palestinians have been in Canaan for the past 10,000 years. There is neither archeological or historical proof of that.


Choose any of the versions devised by the Palestinian leaders in the past 50 years. They have not been able to come up with one ounce of proof so far.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

DNA studies disagree. They show the Palestinians as coming from non-Israeli Canaanites. The Moabites and Ammonites look to me like likely ancestors.

Sheldon Cooperstein

The Jews originated as Aryans in Sumeria. They were a MENSA group that invented the wheel, the sail, and all those beginnings of a technological boom that never developed beyond that for 6,000 years. As happens in everybody's experience today, power-hungry Lower IQs got rich and dominant off Jewish inventions and purposely brainwashed their subjects to nerd-bash them. So Abraham left. The myth of Prometheus is all about them.

The way to interpret the contradictory descriptions of Ishmael in the Bible is that the Jews were captured and forced to learn Semitic. Only after they escaped from that, led by Moses, did they start bashing Arabs.

Proof of their Indo-European descent is that Yahweh is pronounced practically the same way Jove is pronounced in Latin. It is a reaction to a bloodthirsty Mongol invasion in the Caucasus areas, where the Jews originated (see Azerbaijan) and means "Get going; run for your lives!"

 

[Open Bolt]

1) In order to actually be able to tell if any of the Palestinians is related to the Moabites or Ammonites, one would need the DNA of either tribe.
None exists, as not one member of those tribes has come forward in present times.

It would probably be possible to get ancient DNA samples from well-preserved graves.

But it really doesn't matter which group of Canaanites the Palestinians are descended from. DNA shows that they were descended from Canaanites of some sort.

The same thing with the Philistines, Palestinians insist they are also descended from.

They'd be wrong about that. The Philistines were Greek invaders.

2) To say that some who call themselves Palestinians today may be descended from any ancient Canaanite is one thing. But the Palestinians say that ALL of them are descended from ancient Canaanites.

DNA backs them up on that. But the Palestinians are not from the West Bank area. The Canaanites who are indigenous to the West Bank area are the Jewish people. The Palestinians are descended from other Canaanites.

3) Abbas latest version is that the Palestinians have been in Canaan for the past 10,000 years. There is neither archeological or historical proof of that.

I think it can be said that the Canaanites were around for at least that long.

That also means that the Jewish people have been in Canaan for the past 10,000 years.

Choose any of the versions devised by the Palestinian leaders in the past 50 years. They have not been able to come up with one ounce of proof so far.

The Palestinians have DNA studies linking them to the Canaanites, but not to the West Bank area Canaanites.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Sheldon Cooperstein

The Jews originated as Aryans in Sumeria. They were a MENSA group that invented the wheel, the sail, and all those beginnings of a technological boom that never developed beyond that for 6,000 years. As happens in everybody's experience today, power-hungry Lower IQs got rich and dominant off Jewish inventions and purposely brainwashed their subjects to nerd-bash them. So Abraham left. The myth of Prometheus is all about them.

The way to interpret the contradictory descriptions of Ishmael in the Bible is that the Jews were captured and forced to learn Semitic. Only after they escaped from that, led by Moses, did they start bashing Arabs.

Proof of their Indo-European descent is that Yahweh is pronounced practically the same way Jove is pronounced in Latin. It is a reaction to a bloodthirsty Mongol invasion in the Caucasus areas, where the Jews originated (see Azerbaijan) and means "Get going; run for your lives!"

Religious Quack. Total Quack. Keep quacking.

 

[Sixties Fan]

It would probably be possible to get ancient DNA samples from well-preserved graves.

But it really doesn't matter which group of Canaanites the Palestinians are descended from. DNA shows that they were descended from Canaanites of some sort.



They'd be wrong about that. The Philistines were Greek invaders.



DNA backs them up on that. But the Palestinians are not from the West Bank area. The Canaanites who are indigenous to the West Bank area are the Jewish people. The Palestinians are descended from other Canaanites.



I think it can be said that the Canaanites were around for at least that long.

That also means that the Jewish people have been in Canaan for the past 10,000 years.



The Palestinians have DNA studies linking them to the Canaanites, but not to the West Bank area Canaanites.

Where would those graves be, and why have they not been exhumed so far? The Palestinians would be clamoring for that, and looking all over as to where those two tribes would be buried. So far, no interest at all.

You lack a knowledge of history.

Get back to me when you become better informed about it.

 

[Open Bolt]

Where would those graves be,

In Ammon and Moab. Today they are in Jordan.

and why have they not been exhumed so far?

Archaeological finds come when they come.

The Palestinians would be clamoring for that, and looking all over as to where those two tribes would be buried. So far, no interest at all.

Kingdoms, not tribes.

You lack a knowledge of history.

That is incorrect. I have a sound knowledge of history.

 

[Jay Stone]

Perhaps the Palestinians are indigenous to Jordan alone then.

Indigenous to many places—How come nobody is named al-Palestini?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Indigenous to many places—How come nobody is named al-Palestini? View attachment 657577

Arabic does not have the letter P. Therefore.....

 

[Sixties Fan]

In Ammon and Moab. Today they are in Jordan.



Archaeological finds come when they come.



Kingdoms, not tribes.



That is incorrect. I have a sound knowledge of history.

What is keeping the Jordanian government from digging for their graves?
Or any Palestinian organization in Jordan to start the excavation where they think those kingdoms were?

 

[Jay Stone]

Arabic does not have the letter P. Therefore.....

How come nobody is named al-Filastini? Arafat was Egyptian, not palestinian.

 

[Open Bolt]

What is keeping the Jordanian government from digging for their graves?
Or any Palestinian organization in Jordan to start the excavation where they think those kingdoms were?

Nothing is preventing it. But archaeology is usually done by scientists and not by governments.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Nothing is preventing it. But archaeology is usually done by scientists and not by governments.

There seems to be an unusual lack of interest in finding the graves or any archeology of those Kingdoms in Jordan by any Palestinian who lives there.

 

[Open Bolt]

There seems to be an unusual lack of interest in finding the graves or any archeology of those Kingdoms in Jordan by any Palestinian who lives there.

It doesn't seem that unusual. I am also unaware of any Israelis clamoring to dig up graves of ancient Israelites so the DNA can prove Jewish ancestry.

 

[Sixties Fan]

It doesn't seem that unusual. I am also unaware of any Israelis clamoring to dig up graves of ancient Israelites so the DNA can prove Jewish ancestry.

There is plenty of proof that Israelis are descended of ancient Israelites.

I cannot see the Muslims allowing for any DNA proof out of the Cave of the Patriarchs, or the Cemetery in Jerusalem, or the Tomb of Joseph or Rachel. Or any other Jewish tomb outside of Israel. They have not called for any DNA proof to show that they, the Muslims, are also descended of Abraham.


There is plenty of archeology in Jordan which would lead to the finding of graves, or bones from that period:

3000 Year Old Moabite Temple Found in Jordan - Associates for Biblical Research

biblearchaeology.org

So, someday they will find someone's bones. Until then.....

 

[Roudy]

It gets even more ridiculous: Jesus was a Palestinian.

Yeah, Jesus the Zionist circumcised Jew was a Palestinian at a time there was no Palestine.

Also, did you know that the first thing that happened to Neil Armstrong did when stepping on the moon was he somehow heard the Muslim call to prayer, convert to Islam by stating Mohammad as the final messenger, then get on all fours and recite the Muslim prayer? I have it from reliable sources that.Mr. Armstrong was also a Palestinian.

True story dude.

 

[Roudy]

Sheldon Cooperstein

The Jews originated as Aryans in Sumeria. They were a MENSA group that invented the wheel, the sail, and all those beginnings of a technological boom that never developed beyond that for 6,000 years. As happens in everybody's experience today, power-hungry Lower IQs got rich and dominant off Jewish inventions and purposely brainwashed their subjects to nerd-bash them. So Abraham left. The myth of Prometheus is all about them.

The way to interpret the contradictory descriptions of Ishmael in the Bible is that the Jews were captured and forced to learn Semitic. Only after they escaped from that, led by Moses, did they start bashing Arabs.

Proof of their Indo-European descent is that Yahweh is pronounced practically the same way Jove is pronounced in Latin. It is a reaction to a bloodthirsty Mongol invasion in the Caucasus areas, where the Jews originated (see Azerbaijan) and means "Get going; run for your lives!"

Jews originated from the Aryans?! Do the Neo Nazis and White Supremacists know of this latest discovery?!

Azerbaijan: A People from the Mists of Time - GeoHistory

Azerbaijan's name comes from the Persian words, azer, which means "fire" and baygan, which means "protector." The name was first applied in ancient times to

geohistory.today

Azerbaijan's name comes from the Persian words, azer, which means “fire” and baygan, which means “protector.” The name was first applied in ancient times to the area around Baku, Azerbaijan's current capital.

 

[Roudy]

Our treatment of the American Indians is shameful...a dark period in US history. That's why colonizing occupied territory is illegal. That's why we didn't let Iraq take over Kuwait even though Kuwait was once a province of Iraq.

The treatment of invading Arab Muslims of the indigenous people they conquered, their women, religions, cultures, history and languages? Beyond horrifying.