The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[jon_berzerk]

The Trayvon Martin story that was pushed so relentlessly by the main stream media...that he was this cherubic youngster on his way home from 7/11 after buying candy only to be attacked by a racist cop wannabe...turns out to be a fairy tale. The truth is, Trayvon got his cherubic ass suspended from high school because he got caught with pot and stolen goods. His girlfriend gave us all a good look into the world that Trayvon's from and it's NOT The Cosby Show! It's a world where kids are still IN high school when they are 19 years old because they're stoned idiots. You honestly think that Trayvon was dating THAT piece of work but was a choir boy? Really?

He was suspended for having a sandwich bag in his backpack that had TRACES of marijuana in it; he did not have any pot. The jewelry was never found to be stolen. He was acutally suspended mainly for graffitti, writing WTF on a locker. An obvious ganster and thug? Not. Doing what half of American teenagers do anyway, probably smoking pot and also writing graffitti. Wow. He sure deserves to die for that.

You have no idea why this girl is still in high school at 19. Maybe she is a special needs kid. Maybe she was held back a year in grammar school. You are villifying kids for no reason except that it somehow, in your mind, justifies murdering them.

it is clear that she has been impeached on several fronts already

probably more this morning

and laying the foundations of a crump insurance fraud case

 

[Esmeralda]

The Trayvon Martin story that was pushed so relentlessly by the main stream media...that he was this cherubic youngster on his way home from 7/11 after buying candy only to be attacked by a racist cop wannabe...turns out to be a fairy tale. The truth is, Trayvon got his cherubic ass suspended from high school because he got caught with pot and stolen goods. His girlfriend gave us all a good look into the world that Trayvon's from and it's NOT The Cosby Show! It's a world where kids are still IN high school when they are 19 years old because they're stoned idiots. You honestly think that Trayvon was dating THAT piece of work but was a choir boy? Really?

He was suspended for having a sandwich bag in his backpack that had TRACES of marijuana in it; he did not have any pot. The jewelry was never found to be stolen. He was acutally suspended mainly for graffitti, writing WTF on a locker. An obvious ganster and thug? Not. Doing what half of American teenagers do anyway, probably smoking pot and also writing graffitti. Wow. He sure deserves to die for that.

You have no idea why this girl is still in high school at 19. Maybe she is a special needs kid. Maybe she was held back a year in grammar school. You are villifying kids for no reason except that it somehow, in your mind, justifies murdering them.

it is clear that she has been impeached on several fronts already

probably more this morning

and laying the foundations of a crump insurance fraud case

Yep, clear as mud.

 

[25Caliber]

I am new so bare with me if this has been addressed. I have a couple questions about the girls testimony today.

1. Did she state that she was not the only one speaking with the victim leading up to his death?
2. Did she state that she heard other people in the background that would help calm the situation?

If so, where are these witnesses?

1) I think she said that there were others responsible for texting him on her phone...she also mentioned that she was not his girlfriend and that he was in a relationship with another girl...as far as the convo leading up to the killing, It was just her account...I dont believe she mentioned anyone else for that time span in particular.

2) Yes she did say she heard others in the background that could calm the situation....she basically just blew it off and never even checked up on the situation...she also stated that she thought his father could help him.

Thank you. It was very hard to follow her. I also felt like she said that he got away from him and was at his house. However, the altercation took place some distance away from his home. Would that not substantiate the defendant's account of what happened? I feel if she was supposed to show anything beyond a reasonable doubt, she really failed. Just my opinion if I was in the box.

Based on all of the information received from her and zimmerman.

1) Trayvon was followed
2) Trayvon ran through the courtyard and behind a building
3) GZ got out of his truck and started running so he wouldnt lose him and his location
4) GZ got to the courtyard (where the T in the sidewalk connects) looked around and couldnt see him (hes gone).
5) GZ is continuing to talk to dispatch and continues to walk up the T to the road...looks around again and cant see him
6) GZ starts to walk back in the direction he came in at.
7) GZ gets back to the cross in the T and he hears Trayvon ask him "is there a problem" or "why are you following me?"...Trayvon is coming at GZ at this point.
8) GZ tells them "he doesnt have a problem"
9) GZ goes to reach for what he says was his phone in his right side coat or pants pocket
10) As GZ is reaching for the "phone", Trayvon punches him in the nose and GZ stumbles to the ground
11) Trayvon jumps on top of him and there is a struggle
12) During the struggle Trayvon begin bashing Zimmermans head in the ground and GZ starts yelling for help
13) Neighbor hears the commotion and comes out to look...says hes calling 911...GZ says "no help me"
14) Neighbor says no Im calling 911
15) seconds after neighbor is on the phone GZ is screaming for help, there is a struggle and at some point the gun is exposed.
16) GZ manages to pull the gun out and quickly shoots trayvon in the heart and instantly kills him.
17) GZ pushes the body off of him and Trayvon is now dead face first in the grass.

Was Trayvon followed? Yes.

Was he committing a crime? No

Did GZ have a right to be suspicious? Yes

Could Trayvon have made it home instead? Yes

Did Trayvon have a right to be irritated with someone following him? Yes

Did Trayvon have a right to ask the person following him why? Yes

When approached, was GZ reaching for his phone before he got punched? IMO...NO...he was scared and panicked and was most likely going for his gun.

--I mean c'mon here. GZ cant have it both ways, imo. If he wants us to believe what he is saying, then its tuff to believe that GZ is reaching for a phone with some angry guy charging him...especially when the gun is exactly where he said he was reaching. Why grab your phone? The cops are on the way...aint nobody gonna help you that quick....he instinctively was going for his gun because he was in fear of a fight...this is common sense, IMO. Sorry you dont follow someone in the dark relentlessly even running after them at one point, and then when confronted pull out your gun. Essentially, you are admitting you shouldnt have been there in the first place.

Did trayvon have a right to punch someone who had been following him and is now reaching for something in his pocket in a panic? IMO, hell yes!

Is it within reason that GZ feared serious injury from being punched and having head bashed into the concrete? Yes.

This is the gray area...does the person following and pursuing someone in the dark and then when approached reaches for or in the area of what turns out to be a gun holstered on his right side have a right to claim self defense?

My opinion? GZ should not have been following someone in the dark on the phone with 911 carrying a pistol...hes not a cop...if you are going to follow, then leave the gun in the car...if you dont think you can follow safety without the gun...THEN DONT FOLLOW.

Trayvon is dead and cant defend himself in court or testify to what he heard or seen on GZ that night. IMO GZ should serve several years for manslaughter...not M2...GZ was not looking to go kill someone that night...he was trying to protect the neighborhood...but in doing it acted irresponsible and with bad judgment. I would give him a 10 year sentence...time off with good behavior hes out in 5 years...that puts him somewhere around 35 yrs old and the rest of his life to live, but he should be punished for using bad judgment and following a person with a gun.

 

[25Caliber]

Lets play "Who am I"?

http://threestooges.net/albums/cast/Moe_Howard.jpg

 

[JoeB131]

The Trayvon Martin story that was pushed so relentlessly by the main stream media...that he was this cherubic youngster on his way home from 7/11 after buying candy only to be attacked by a racist cop wannabe...turns out to be a fairy tale. The truth is, Trayvon got his cherubic ass suspended from high school because he got caught with pot and stolen goods. His girlfriend gave us all a good look into the world that Trayvon's from and it's NOT The Cosby Show! It's a world where kids are still IN high school when they are 19 years old because they're stoned idiots. You honestly think that Trayvon was dating THAT piece of work but was a choir boy? Really?

I think your reaction to her is kind of telling.

Zimmerman stalked a smaller kid and shot him.

 

[Sallow]

The Trayvon Martin story that was pushed so relentlessly by the main stream media...that he was this cherubic youngster on his way home from 7/11 after buying candy only to be attacked by a racist cop wannabe...turns out to be a fairy tale. The truth is, Trayvon got his cherubic ass suspended from high school because he got caught with pot and stolen goods. His girlfriend gave us all a good look into the world that Trayvon's from and it's NOT The Cosby Show! It's a world where kids are still IN high school when they are 19 years old because they're stoned idiots. You honestly think that Trayvon was dating THAT piece of work but was a choir boy? Really?

I think your reaction to her is kind of telling.

Zimmerman stalked a smaller kid and shot him.

That's basically it.

If you burn away all the other bullshit, which has nothing to do with anything, the facts remain.

Zimmerman followed and menaced a kid. At some point Zimmerman confronted the kid. They struggle. Zimmerman murders the kid.

So far nothing has altered those facts.

 

[Sallow]

He was suspended for having a sandwich bag in his backpack that had TRACES of marijuana in it; he did not have any pot. The jewelry was never found to be stolen. He was acutally suspended mainly for graffitti, writing WTF on a locker. An obvious ganster and thug? Not. Doing what half of American teenagers do anyway, probably smoking pot and also writing graffitti. Wow. He sure deserves to die for that.

You have no idea why this girl is still in high school at 19. Maybe she is a special needs kid. Maybe she was held back a year in grammar school. You are villifying kids for no reason except that it somehow, in your mind, justifies murdering them.

it is clear that she has been impeached on several fronts already

probably more this morning

and laying the foundations of a crump insurance fraud case

Yep, clear as mud.

Which is the intention.

The only part of the testimony that meant anything was the phone conversation with Martin.

Personally, I think the defense badgering the witness about items that had nothing to do with the murder, helps the prosecution.

 

[rightwinger]

She was born in Florida. Her mother was from Haiti. Which means her mother probably works 2 to 3 jobs per day, 24/7. And her kid is left home alone to become the idiot she is because her mother has to work her ass off just to pay rent and have food on the table. Too bad her daughter is such a low life she brags she does not work and sucks off her parents instead of working to HELP them. She is 19 years old and in the 12th grade. What's that tell ya?

What the sam hell is wrong with the prosecution to put that girl up there?? They just screwed their own case.

God...the rightwing hate machine is in full force in this one

A 19 year old is a low life?

And the rightwing attacks her because she is still in High School? Maybe, she was behind academically when she came from Haiti.

She doesn't work? How many 19 year olds are supporting themselves in this economy? Most High School kids are not working

She reported what was said in her phonecall with Travon. Which is reason enough for the rightwing to personally attack her

 

[JoeB131]

She was born in Florida. Her mother was from Haiti. Which means her mother probably works 2 to 3 jobs per day, 24/7. And her kid is left home alone to become the idiot she is because her mother has to work her ass off just to pay rent and have food on the table. Too bad her daughter is such a low life she brags she does not work and sucks off her parents instead of working to HELP them. She is 19 years old and in the 12th grade. What's that tell ya?

What the sam hell is wrong with the prosecution to put that girl up there?? They just screwed their own case.

God...the rightwing hate machine is in full force in this one

A 19 year old is a low life?

And the rightwing attacks her because she is still in High School? Maybe, she was behind academically when she came from Haiti.

She doesn't work? How many 19 year olds are supporting themselves in this economy? Most High School kids are not working

She reported what was said in her phonecall with Travon. Which is reason enough for the rightwing to personally attack her

Again, I've said this many times. We have a bunch of gun nuts on this board to whom Zimmerman was "living the dream" of punishing evil-doers. The very thought that he could be charged with a crime for it offends them.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

When they make the movie, who they gonna get to play DD?

SHIT! Did you see what I typed?

This is screwing me up. No wonder Don needed an alcohol break.

Lets play "Who am I"?

http://threestooges.net/albums/cast/Moe_Howard.jpg

 

[testarosa]

Funniest tweet on the Tweeter:

"If Obama had a daughter..."

 

[jon_berzerk]

thank you for translating

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ml1ofa7lpry#at=1100]george zimmerman trial witness rachel geantel 6.26.13 pt.17 (trayvon gf) - youtube[/ame]

18:11 – he had already told me he was by hisself at home so . . .
18:12 – i thought his father was gonna help him . . .
18:14 – and i did hear . . . Like . . . Sounds from the background if people could help him . . .
18:17 – so, i never thought it was that . . . Deadly serious.

i'm being super quiet and small fonted, a huge challenge for me.

25 - you keep missing the clues - clue above. The he chased/he said/he followed/she said things are in the backseat.

Let's play who gets the prize.

--lol

 

[deltex1]

She is black. You can't be mean to a black anymore...unless he/she is conservative. This woman was clueless. I'll bet she had a an Obamaphone...

Anymore? So you like being MEAN to black women? What do you consider "mean"? Rape? Cuz that would be very mean. Please give examples of what you miss doing.

Quit playing stupid. Just recall the outrage when repubs roughed up Susan Rice after she disgraced herself on the Sunday talk shows...Obabble had to come to her rescue...like he is not full of shit either.

 

[MeBelle]

Trayvon Martin in morgue 3 days as 'John Doe' after mom reported him missing

Established evidence is key here deany...ditch the opinion!!

 

[The Rabbi]

The Trayvon Martin story that was pushed so relentlessly by the main stream media...that he was this cherubic youngster on his way home from 7/11 after buying candy only to be attacked by a racist cop wannabe...turns out to be a fairy tale. The truth is, Trayvon got his cherubic ass suspended from high school because he got caught with pot and stolen goods. His girlfriend gave us all a good look into the world that Trayvon's from and it's NOT The Cosby Show! It's a world where kids are still IN high school when they are 19 years old because they're stoned idiots. You honestly think that Trayvon was dating THAT piece of work but was a choir boy? Really?

I think your reaction to her is kind of telling.

Zimmerman stalked a smaller kid and shot him.

That's basically it.

If you burn away all the other bullshit, which has nothing to do with anything, the facts remain.

Zimmerman followed and menaced a kid. At some point Zimmerman confronted the kid. They struggle. Zimmerman murders the kid.

So far nothing has altered those facts.

Except those aren't the facts.
Do you not understand what actually happened or do you just not care because they don't support what you think happened?

 

[Nate]

This kid was a troublemaker, plain and simple. I have no doubt that he really was casing the neighborhood looking for an easy target.

 

[testarosa]

Oops! Do "!!!!!!!!!" 's count?

 

[Nate]

Most of the witnesses for the prosecution have been jokes that can't keep their stories straight.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Most of the witnesses for the prosecution have been jokes that can't keep their stories straight.

yes it makes it harder to tell the story when it is based in lies

 

[dilloduck]

Too busy trying to get away from the creepy ass cracker.

Why didn't Zimmerman identify himself?

He had time to call his girlfriend, and he had time to confront Zimmerman, but he didn't have time to call 911? And your use of the word "cracker" shows you're a racist.

Yeah, I'm racist against my own race, you just aren't making any sense. Get some rest.

The stalker should have identified himself otherwise he is just a stalker.

He may have----we'll never know.