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As reported by the police investigator, I still don't understand why Zimmerman never told Martin who he was. I wonder why he didn't...?
Lakhota, you don't know that he didn't.
The capias states, "the encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and waited the arrival of law enforcement or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog in an effort to dispel each party's concern".
Investigator Christopher Serino, who was the investigator on the scene that night, told the prosecutor that the fight could have been avoided if Zimmerman hadn't gotten out of his car and waited until the police came on the scene as he was told to do. He said Zimmerman, should have identified himself as a neighborhood watch person or concerned citizen and try to talk to Martin instead of confronting him. That why Zimmerman is being charged with second degree murder but will probably get convicted of manslaughter.
One police document contained in the discovery concluded, The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement, or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialogue in an effort to dispel each partys concerns. It added, There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter.
Well I don't care what the PA said because I can see with my own eyes in that picture that man is not obese. He is fit. I wouldn't even say he is over weight. And lets not forget muscle weighs more than fat.
he is still a fatty fat at 194
but who cares what you believe
i can only tell you what was testimony in court today
the state did not impeach her for saying it
Well I don't care what the PA said because I can see with my own eyes in that picture that man is not obese. He is fit. I wouldn't even say he is over weight. And lets not forget muscle weighs more than fat.
he is still a fatty fat at 194
but who cares what you believe
i can only tell you what was testimony in court today
the state did not impeach her for saying it
What do you call 304 lbs? I call that an effort to influence the jury. Unfair fight between a teenager and a fat older man. People don't gain 100 pounds just like that.
he is still a fatty fat at 194
but who cares what you believe
i can only tell you what was testimony in court today
the state did not impeach her for saying it
What do you call 304 lbs? I call that an effort to influence the jury. Unfair fight between a teenager and a fat older man. People don't gain 100 pounds just like that.
what just like that --lol
he has been sitting on his duffy for more then a year
What do you call 304 lbs? I call that an effort to influence the jury. Unfair fight between a teenager and a fat older man. People don't gain 100 pounds just like that.
what just like that --lol
he has been sitting on his duffy for more then a year
okay....then if he gets five years in prison, he'll come out over 800 lbs? Is that your logic?
he's not in an oversized jacket here http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/abc_george_zimmerman_2_dm_120621_wg.jpg
The medical standards for obese are pretty crazy. When done by weight and height alone they are often very in accurate.
My point is he doesn't appear to be a severely out of shape man.
he's not in an oversized jacket here http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/abc_george_zimmerman_2_dm_120621_wg.jpg
The medical standards for obese are pretty crazy. When done by weight and height alone they are often very in accurate.
My point is he doesn't appear to be a severely out of shape man.
You have no idea if he's out of shape or not if you're basing on just pictures and clothed at that. Weight and height are not 100% accurate, but 200 lbs. under 6 feet without a ripped body or some demonstrated physical prowess is out of shape.
Well I don't care what the PA said because I can see with my own eyes in that picture that man is not obese. He is fit. I wouldn't even say he is over weight. And lets not forget muscle weighs more than fat.
he is still a fatty fat at 194
but who cares what you believe
i can only tell you what was testimony in court today
the state did not impeach her for saying it
What do you call 304 lbs? I call that an effort to influence the jury. Unfair fight between a teenager and a fat older man. People don't gain 100 pounds just like that.
What do you call 304 lbs? I call that an effort to influence the jury. Unfair fight between a teenager and a fat older man. People don't gain 100 pounds just like that.
what just like that --lol
he has been sitting on his duffy for more then a year
okay....then if he gets five years in prison, he'll come out over 800 lbs? Is that your logic?
My Summation:
Zimmerman profiled Martin - for no apparent reason (other than maybe walking in the rain while black and wearing a hoodie).
Zimmerman ignored police dispatch not to follow Martin.
Zimmerman continued to follow (stalk) Martin.
Zimmerman never told Martin who he was and/or why he was following him - per police investigator Christopher Serino (see post #3875).
Zimmerman (armed) murdered Martin (unarmed).
I believe that the term "Cracker" (at least in Florida) came from the whips that early Florida cattle herders used. I don't believe it has anything to do with slavery.
So Florida has a different meaning for the slur cracker? Thats like saying Texas has a different meaning for the N word.
There are several theories as to how it derived, but today they all have the same racial implications.
Not so much in Florida. I find that down here it's viewed by many as a badge of honor rather than an insult. Cracker is what long time Floridians refer to themselves...the ones that had family here for many generations.
On the other hand Cracker IS used as a derogatory term most other places. There it refers generally to poor white trash.
My Summation:
Zimmerman profiled Martin - for no apparent reason (other than maybe walking in the rain while black and wearing a hoodie).
Zimmerman ignored police dispatch not to follow Martin.
Zimmerman continued to follow (stalk) Martin.
Zimmerman never told Martin who he was and/or why he was following him - per police investigator Christopher Serino (see post #3875).
Zimmerman (armed) murdered Martin (unarmed).
Well then you need to head down to Sanford right away and help the prosecution out because apparently you have evidence for murder that they don't.
So Florida has a different meaning for the slur cracker? Thats like saying Texas has a different meaning for the N word.
There are several theories as to how it derived, but today they all have the same racial implications.
Not so much in Florida. I find that down here it's viewed by many as a badge of honor rather than an insult. Cracker is what long time Floridians refer to themselves...the ones that had family here for many generations.
On the other hand Cracker IS used as a derogatory term most other places. There it refers generally to poor white trash.
yep and black people use the N word with each other for the same reasons...doesnt mean it isnt offensive to come from a white person.
Reasonable doubt as defined was just verified by the mumbling, overweight, teen.
I'm sure her weight issue is a thyroid problem.
Or perhaps her education is such her weekly pay can afford reams of Chicken and bacon
IDK
-Geaux
She can speak three languages. English is her THIRD...
You?
And it would be great if she could speak just one of them well enough for her court appearance.
Not so much in Florida. I find that down here it's viewed by many as a badge of honor rather than an insult. Cracker is what long time Floridians refer to themselves...the ones that had family here for many generations.
On the other hand Cracker IS used as a derogatory term most other places. There it refers generally to poor white trash.
yep and black people use the N word with each other for the same reasons...doesnt mean it isnt offensive to come from a white person.
Oh, believe me when I tell you that when a black person from Florida uses the term "Cracker" it IS meant to be derogatory. It always struck me as almost humorous how the same term can be used as an insult to the same people who consider it to be label of pride. When Trayvon Martin called George Zimmerman a "Cracker" it was a racial slur. I find it rather amusing how so many people here viewed Zimmerman even referring to Martin as being "black" to be a racist act yet Martin's referring to Zimmerman as a "Cracker" wasn't even criticized. Correct me if I'm wrong here, folks but calling someone a racially derogatory term and then heading off to confront them with violence would seem to fall under the heading of "hate crime". Or does that only hold true when it's a white person calling someone of color a name and then attacking them?
Fair is fair...
Actually, what I saw was an abusive attorney slapping around a 19 year old girl.
Can't see how that goes over well with an all female jury. Especially when the judge told West to lower his voice.
Zimmerman attorney grills RAchel Jeantel in Trayvon Martin case | Washington Times Communities
Someone needs to take the girl over their knee and give her something she has probably never had...a good whoopin'. If I was trays mom, Id be going after her throat the way she has disrespected this court and that it could have an effect on the verdict. Id be pissed at her if I was the Martins.
She is a poorly educated (possibly special needs) young woman who appears to be not very smart (or her intelligence hasn't been developed); she is unsophisticated; she doesn't know how to behave (no one has taught her). That doesn't maker her a liar or a punk or deserve a 'good whooping.' She's a simple, poorly educated young person who has been thrown into a situation of national media attention and criticism she doesn't want. Give her a break.
One thing Ive noticed is that most dont live in that complex for very long...all of the witnesses it seems USED to live there....lol.
what just like that --lol
he has been sitting on his duffy for more then a year
okay....then if he gets five years in prison, he'll come out over 800 lbs? Is that your logic?
If he gets the five years he deserves, he likely won't make it out of prison alive and then if he does, he'll get murdered shortly after his release IMO.
Zimmerman is fucked - and THAT's why one should only pursue when armed if one has no other choice.
