The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[25Caliber]

Off. Doris Singleton is yet another defense witness put on by the prosecution.

Who's the DA that wanted to proceed with this trial? Hope he gets his ass handed to him when this is over.

Cant just not arrest someone just because they CLAIM self defense. What precedent would that send? It sucks...but thats the way it has to be, imo. Evidence has to be gathered to substantiate his claim.

I think their should be an investigation of every shooting. But if there is no evidence of wrongdoing, then charges cannot be supported and should not be filed. I disagree an arrest should happen automatically. That's taking away someone's freedom before there is an investigation. I feel that's wrong. At first I felt this was overcharging. After seeing the "evidence" presented by the P, or I should say lack of evidence, I now believe GZ should be acquitted. This is bogus BS. His story is consistent with the witnesses statements, for all practical purposes, and the P has no case. Let. Him. Go!

I do agree with you...I just think its different when someone is shot dead. Look, I think they screwed this up...they didnt arrest...then they did arrest...then they set bail...then they set bail higher because of the "finance" issue.

I think you arrest...set bail...gather evidence and let the chips fall where they may. The truth willl set you free. Unfortunately, someones son has been killed...and the killers account for the happenings that night wouldnt be enough for me if my son had been shot.

My point is, outside of his account, there wasnt that deep of an investigation...my son? I want a deep investigation and I want both sides presented...for example had they talked to the person Trayvon was speaking to on the phone? No she wasnt the best witness at all, but you are choosing not to arrest before you even know these facts...just my opinion.

This is why I am making so much of GZ getting out of his truck. The police discourage this, because this is what can happen. You may have been acting in self defense, but now your life is turned upside down...someones kid was shot.

 

[TemplarKormac]

In the video, you can see that Zimmerman has bandages on the back of his head. No doubt he was injured.

 

[tinydancer]

I just found this thread. Ok two good ones rocking.

 

[testarosa]

Cant just not arrest someone just because they CLAIM self defense. What precedent would that send? It sucks...but thats the way it has to be, imo. Evidence has to be gathered to substantiate his claim.

I think their should be an investigation of every shooting. But if there is no evidence of wrongdoing, then charges cannot be supported and should not be filed. I disagree an arrest should happen automatically. That's taking away someone's freedom before there is an investigation. I feel that's wrong. At first I felt this was overcharging. After seeing the "evidence" presented by the P, or I should say lack of evidence, I now believe GZ should be acquitted. This is bogus BS. His story is consistent with the witnesses statements, for all practical purposes, and the P has no case. Let. Him. Go!

I do agree with you...I just think its different when someone is shot dead. Look, I think they screwed this up...they didnt arrest...then they did arrest...then they set bail...then they set bail higher because of the "finance" issue.

I think you arrest...set bail...gather evidence and let the chips fall where they may. Unfortunately, someones son has been killed...and the killers account for the happenings that night wouldnt be enough for me if my son had been shot.

My point is, outside of his account, there wasnt that deep of an investigation...my son? I want a deep investigation and I want both sides presented...for example had they talked to the person Trayvon was speaking to on the phone? No she wasnt the best witness at all, but you are choosing not to arrest before you even know these facts...just my opinion.

This is why I am making so much of GZ getting out of his truck. The police discourage this, because this is what can happen. You may have been acting in self defense, but now your life is turned upside down...someones kid was shot.

.for example had they talked to the person Trayvon was speaking to on the phone

Crump handled that ;-)

 

[Gadawg73]

911 dispatcher testified as a prosecution witness:
Sean Noftke stated under oath when asked about telling Zimmerman "you do not have to that" if that was a police command or order.
Noftke testified that they never give commands or orders as 911 dispatchers as that may make them liable.
So the "Zimmerman was ordered to stand down" BS is out the door and flushed.
It is in evidence that Zimmerman was NEVER given any orders or commands by any law enforcement agency.
Ever.
Amazing the kooks that believed that stupid crap. I feel sort of sorry for anyone so ignorant to believe media talking head opinion makers.
So far I have not seen any evidence that helps the prosecution but this is not over.

 

[tinydancer]

The cuts on the back of Zimmerman's head place him on the bottom.

Sarah doesn't care about the evidence. She just hates the stand your ground laws and doesn't care about a fair trial.

I agree with you. Of course stand your ground had nothign to do with this. Even if FL did not have a stand your ground law Zimmerman is still innocent on a self defense plea.

Here's where his lawyer was brilliant. By not using the "stand your ground" as a defense Mark removed the Prosecution's ability to turn this trial into a political case for banning stand your ground..

Awesome move.

 

[asaratis]

I've noted a possible discrepancy between what Zimmerman said in the interview and what he said in the video made the next day at the scene.

In the interview at the police station, he said that the neighbor came out after he had shot Trayvon and asked if Zimmerman wanted him to call 911.

In the video made at the scene, he said that the exchange with the neighbor happened before he shot Trayvon.

I am relatively sure that the prosecution will pick this out. They are smarter than I. I'm just a lowly, critical thinking Engineer.

BTW, thanks for the streaming links. Had I two computers, I would watch it. I'm working from home today and can't stop. I need the full screen for what I'm doing.

I was wrong. In the video at the scene, Zimmerman referred to two conversations with neighbors; one during the fight, one after.

 

[Gadawg73]

According to other testimony, Tray was on the bottom. Zimmerman was the aggressor. I believe Good was the only one who said Z was on the bottom.

Capiche?

Hard to make that testimony jibe with the physical evidence, Sarah! Zimmerman's got grass on his back...Martin has grass on his knees. Zimmerman has the physical damage...Martin has none other than an abrasion on his knuckle and the gun shot wound. Goode is the only witness that is outside and close to the fight. The rest are looking through windows at a distance in dim light.

Tray had grass all the way up his legs. He was found by the police officer laying face down with his arms under him.

I have to get some work done.

Good testified that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and Zimmerman was screaming for help.
Where Martin ended up laying has no relevance as Zimmerman could have pushed him off of him or Zimmerman could have been on top of Martin when he shot him.
Doesn't really matter if Zimmerman can establish he was attacked and defending himself.
Which is what is in evidence so far. Nothing the state has offered disputes that.
But it is not over. However, so far the state has not met the burden of proof on a murder charge.
Where is this so called evidence of "He ran him down and killed him"?
There was never any to begin with. Folks were conned and lied to by the media.
Imagine that.
Very disturbing that murder was the indictment as this has never been a murder case.

 

[tinydancer]

911 dispatcher testified as a prosecution witness:
Sean Noftke stated under oath when asked about telling Zimmerman "you do not have to that" if that was a police command or order.
Noftke testified that they never give commands or orders as 911 dispatchers as that may make them liable.
So the "Zimmerman was ordered to stand down" BS is out the door and flushed.
It is in evidence that Zimmerman was NEVER given any orders or commands by any law enforcement agency.
Ever.
Amazing the kooks that believed that stupid crap. I feel sort of sorry for anyone so ignorant to believe media talking head opinion makers.
So far I have not seen any evidence that helps the prosecution but this is not over.

When you have three count them three top personel at NBC losing their careers fabricating evidence to show that Z was racially profiling what can one say?

How crazy is this? Careers lost over some black kid getting offed in Florida?

What's going on here?

 

[Gadawg73]

Zimmerman is a fucking idiot, that is not in question!
His statements are not consistent on many issues but a few are.
He states he was attacked first and Martin was on top of him.
And the evidence supports that now as far as reasonable doubt which is the ONLY burden the defense has.
The entire burden in this case is the prosecution has to PROVE 100% OF THEIR CASE, EACH AND EVERY ELEMENT.
And so far it is not there.

 

[tinydancer]

According to other testimony, Tray was on the bottom. Zimmerman was the aggressor. I believe Good was the only one who said Z was on the bottom.

Capiche?

Hard to make that testimony jibe with the physical evidence, Sarah! Zimmerman's got grass on his back...Martin has grass on his knees. Zimmerman has the physical damage...Martin has none other than an abrasion on his knuckle and the gun shot wound. Goode is the only witness that is outside and close to the fight. The rest are looking through windows at a distance in dim light.

Tray had grass all the way up his legs. He was found by the police officer laying face down with his arms under him.

I have to get some work done.

What?

Give a link or you are bullshitting this so called evidence. Oh and btw make sure you send it to the Prosecution because obviously they missed what you know.

 

[Gadawg73]

Most cases I have worked on over the years we call this one a 20 minuter.
After the jury spends a day or so going back over the evidence it only takes 20 minutes to find them not guilty.
Or possibly a hung jury which I doubt as the Judge will send them back on a case this media bat shit crazy 71 times to reach a verdict.
And more times than not the reasonable doubt wins out.

 

[tinydancer]

Zimmerman is a fucking idiot, that is not in question!
His statements are not consistent on many issues but a few are.
He states he was attacked first and Martin was on top of him.
And the evidence supports that now as far as reasonable doubt which is the ONLY burden the defense has.
The entire burden in this case is the prosecution has to PROVE 100% OF THEIR CASE, EACH AND EVERY ELEMENT.
And so far it is not there.

I have no idea why you think he's an idiot but I do find it interesting.

Please explain.

 

[ScienceRocks]

911 dispatcher testified as a prosecution witness:
Sean Noftke stated under oath when asked about telling Zimmerman "you do not have to that" if that was a police command or order.
Noftke testified that they never give commands or orders as 911 dispatchers as that may make them liable.
So the "Zimmerman was ordered to stand down" BS is out the door and flushed.
It is in evidence that Zimmerman was NEVER given any orders or commands by any law enforcement agency.
Ever.
Amazing the kooks that believed that stupid crap. I feel sort of sorry for anyone so ignorant to believe media talking head opinion makers.
So far I have not seen any evidence that helps the prosecution but this is not over.

When you have three count them three top personel at NBC losing their careers fabricating evidence to show that Z was racially profiling what can one say?

How crazy is this? Careers lost over some black kid getting offed in Florida?

What's going on here?

These people really want to rub the white mans face in it...While at the same time letting blacks feel that they can beat and destroy peoples lives...

-The left doesn't want a fair trial as their entire life is based on guiliting whites.
-The black community doesn't give a damn about justice as they're as racist as whites were in the 1920's. Looking for any reason to hang Zimmerman even if theres no case...Get ready for the riots!
What tops the cake is the fact that Zimmerman is a DARK Hispanic and the media is now caught with their pants down.

Even with all this if you're WHITE you best stay away from the inner-cities. Those people are full of so much hate that you could power a star ship with it.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Jeez, what did the Sanford Police use to record this interview? Was it a Panasonic cassette recorder from the '70's?

 

[tinydancer]

Most cases I have worked on over the years we call this one a 20 minuter.
After the jury spends a day or so going back over the evidence it only takes 20 minutes to find them not guilty.
Or possibly a hung jury which I doubt as the Judge will send them back on a case this media bat shit crazy 71 times to reach a verdict.
And more times than not the reasonable doubt wins out.

Wow now I really want to know. Honestly. Why do you think George is an idiot?

 

[Missourian]

Cant just not arrest someone just because they CLAIM self defense. What precedent would that send? It sucks...but thats the way it has to be, imo. Evidence has to be gathered to substantiate his claim.

I think their should be an investigation of every shooting. But if there is no evidence of wrongdoing, then charges cannot be supported and should not be filed. I disagree an arrest should happen automatically. That's taking away someone's freedom before there is an investigation. I feel that's wrong. At first I felt this was overcharging. After seeing the "evidence" presented by the P, or I should say lack of evidence, I now believe GZ should be acquitted. This is bogus BS. His story is consistent with the witnesses statements, for all practical purposes, and the P has no case. Let. Him. Go!

I do agree with you...I just think its different when someone is shot dead. Look, I think they screwed this up...they didnt arrest...then they did arrest...then they set bail...then they set bail higher because of the "finance" issue.

I think you arrest...set bail...gather evidence and let the chips fall where they may. The truth willl set you free. Unfortunately, someones son has been killed...and the killers account for the happenings that night wouldnt be enough for me if my son had been shot.

My point is, outside of his account, there wasnt that deep of an investigation...my son? I want a deep investigation and I want both sides presented...for example had they talked to the person Trayvon was speaking to on the phone? No she wasnt the best witness at all, but you are choosing not to arrest before you even know these facts...just my opinion.

This is why I am making so much of GZ getting out of his truck. The police discourage this, because this is what can happen. You may have been acting in self defense, but now your life is turned upside down...someones kid was shot.

I see your point...but conversely...after Zimmerman had stopped following Martin and Martin was gone from the scene, IMO Zimmerman getting out of his truck becomes moot.

 

[testarosa]

Jeez, what did the Sanford Police use to record this interview? Was it a Panasonic cassette recorder from the '70's?

Budget cuts.

 

[Missourian]

Jeez, what did the Sanford Police use to record this interview? Was it a Panasonic cassette recorder from the '70's?

The salesman at Crazy Sam's Electronics Emporium claimed it was state of the art.
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[Sallow]

When did they do the walkthough reenactment?

Wasn't it like the next day?

Could they have had the transcript to the police call already?

Ummm...good question...wondered this myself. Truth is...I dont know, but I doubt, that they gave Zimmerman access to the 911 tape before the walk through. It seems to me that the police would want to see if his walkthrough matched up with the 911 call.

They also make them write everything down...so in a sense, they do all of these separately and then bump them together to make sure his story adds up.

My guess? His story matched up with in all three of those scenarios and with witnesses at the scene....THEREFORE, no arrest!

And yes...the reenactment was the very next day.

I ran the reenactment in one window and read the transcript in another...

I don't think anyone could put together a story that matched the Police Transcript of the call that well and keep it straight.

It is hard to doubt that Zimmerman is being truthful at least to the end of the transcripted call...IMO.

Zimmerman was trying for a career in law enforcement.

He probably knows enough to keep details few and make sure your story is plausible.