The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[Sallow]

You're believing that Zimmerman actually stopped pursuit.

I don't think he did. He wanted to "collar" the guy. I think he ran to the T caught up with Martin and initiated contact. He may have even tried to grab Martin which led to the first punch. Remember, Zimmerman went from having Martin come out of the bushes to coming out of the darkness. And by Zimmerman's account..he was walking toward him and talking. It's not far fetched to think Zimmerman caught up to Martin, who turned around to and asked him, "Why are you following me?" To which Zimmerman responded "What are you doing here?" That sounds more like what a cop would do.

And that's what Zimmerman was doing. Playing cop.

The 911 tape proves GZ stopped running as soon as dispatch said "we don't need you to do that". It is clear as he is talking that he lost TM. There is absolutely no evidence Zimmerman attacked Martin.

Sure there is. Martin's Dead. Zimmerman killed him.

Watching, reporting, following & asking a question are not attacking or illegal. Prosecutors must prove beyond reasonable doubt that GZ struck or attempted to strike TM.

Sure it is. It's called "Menacing".

They also must prove beyond reasonable doubt that TM was not continuing to attack a subdued person & that GZ had no reason to fear serious injury or death. So far the prosecutors haven't even come close on any of that.

Yeah..they have. Nothing backs up Martin "covering" Zimmerman's mouth or slamming his head into the concrete. His injuries were so slight that the EMTs basically wiped him down with peroxide and gave him bandages. He didn't even go to the hospital. The other shoe is going to be the autopsy on Martin. Who's hands, thus far, showed no injuries. If he hand been beating down Zimmerman as bad as Zimmerman purports, that would not be the case.

What has been proven beyond reasonable doubt is that TM was an aggressive hate filled racist full of rage & beat a subdued person begging for help that had never harmed him.

Actually no.

Zimmerman's arrest record, however, shows him to be a wannabe cop with anger issues.

 

[Ernie S.]

There were three street in the area in question.

Z lived in the neighborhood.

He was on the neighborhood vigilante org for three years yet did not know the name of the street he was on, duh, duh, duh,.

Another witness was unclear as to where one street ended and the other started as well. I believe she had lived there quite a while also.

 

[legaleagle_45]

OK I've been out since 10:30 this morning. What did I miss? Has Bernie given up yet?

Bernie is still continuing his magnificent job of defending George.

 

[Truthseeker420]

I don't think he did. He wanted to "collar" the guy. I think he ran to the T caught up with Martin and initiated contact.

The problem with that scenario is that for 1 minute 39 seconds GZ is clearly not chasing Martin and has lost sight of Martin. He is not running. during this time. At the 2:24 mark of the police phone call, he is advised "OK, we don't need you to do that". GZ slows down and at the 2:28 mark has clearly stopped running and he is clearly not running for the remainder of the tape.. The tape continues until the full length of the cal is 4 minutes 7 seconds. That means that TM had at least 1 minute and 39 seconds at a minimum to get home, totally uninterrupted by GZ. There is absolutely no way GZ could have run to catch up with him... unless TM was hiding in the bushes or if TM had decided to double back.

Trayvon Martin was was not familiar with the area, he could have easily got confused on where he was that night.

 

[Edgetho]

Serino the Detective testifies he feels Zim is telling the truth.

He still has prosecution's redirect questions to answer. I'm betting they will not be as well crafted as the defense questioning, but will likely be aimed at casting doubt.

I have never seen a prosecution this disinterested in a case.

 

[testarosa]

OK I've been out since 10:30 this morning. What did I miss? Has Bernie given up yet?

You missed the entire thing!

The Bernster was in the middle of questioning the defense's expert Hiro when he threw his hands up said OKAY! You got me! this entire thing has been a farce. The crowd cheered, there was much chatter about what to bbq for the 4th on the way out. The Bernster resigned and got a job with Ford.

 

[Snookie]

In Z's own words, when asked how long his nose and mouth were covered, It seemed like hours.

What's great about that, is the photos before the EMT's got there show no smearing.

Additionally, Martin must of been sorta super human..as with all the punching and head banging and holding Zimmerman's mouth..didn't do much damage to his hands.

Look at the pictures again. There is a blood smear on the left side of his face. Small, yes, but he WAS laying on his back so the blood would have been running down the back of his sinus cavity and down his throat,
If you don't understand, grab any 3rd grade science book and read up on "gravity". You CAN read, I assume?

I advise you to look up sanity.

You have no idea what it is.

 

[IrishTexanChick]

After the Jodi show......I don't even know how to deal with these full days of trial.

It'd be WAY hard for GZ to say he needed to delay due to him needing a sammich.

 

[MeBelle]

It makes more sense that Martin ran home..then went back, Skittles and drink in hand to confront Zimmerman..or lay in wait with the same "weapons of death" to jump the guy following him.

You bring up a good point!

Question for anyone:

Is there a crime scene photo of the skittles or the ice tea can?

 

[PixieStix]

One of my trees got struck by lightening. I have to go for now. Geez it is always something

 

[Missourian]

OKAY...here is my QUESTION.

I would like to preface this by saying I am not a lawyer...I am not a cop....I am not an investigator...

BUT...I do play one on the internet and I did stay in a Holiday in last night...

So here we go...stay with me.

First of all lets put out a couple of things that I think we can all agree on....that sounds like fun. THINKING CAPS!

1) We can all agree that if when GZ was asked by Trayvon: "Do you have a problem?"...that if in that instant, GZ whipped out his gun, shot and killed him, that would be murder...correct?

2) We can also agree that if the struggle proceeds to the ground and GZ is getting beat to a pulp, getting his head slammed against concrete multiple times that he is within his right to fear severe injury...correct?

ARE YOU WITH ME? Here comes the $64,000 question:

IF when Trayvon says "Do you have a problem"? And GZ reaches for his pockets (his own words) or his right side (where his gun is)...is there any way to prove that by Trayvon punching GZ at that moment (GZs own words) that Trayvon wasn't preventing in his mind scenario number 1 from happening?


And yes...Involuntary Manslaughter would be my charge.
Okay...GO...let me have it!

Do you have pics of Zimmerman wearing his holster?

My understanding is it is an Uncle Mikes inside-the-waistband model.

That shouldn't show...it is under the shirt.

[youtube]wufWvH4E_A0&feature=related[/youtube]

at 9:03 to 10:something.



Zimmerman's holster:

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You are the prosecutor, ask away.

 

[legaleagle_45]

I don't think he did. He wanted to "collar" the guy. I think he ran to the T caught up with Martin and initiated contact.

The problem with that scenario is that for 1 minute 39 seconds GZ is clearly not chasing Martin and has lost sight of Martin. He is not running. during this time. At the 2:24 mark of the police phone call, he is advised "OK, we don't need you to do that". GZ slows down and at the 2:28 mark has clearly stopped running and he is clearly not running for the remainder of the tape.. The tape continues until the full length of the cal is 4 minutes 7 seconds. That means that TM had at least 1 minute and 39 seconds at a minimum to get home, totally uninterrupted by GZ. There is absolutely no way GZ could have run to catch up with him... unless TM was hiding in the bushes or if TM had decided to double back.

Trayvon Martin was was not familiar with the area, he could have easily got confused on where he was that night.

The problem with that scenario is that Dee Dee says that Martin reached the fiances residence and was by it.

 

[pioneerpete]

I only have two questions left on this case, and they both revolve around media coverage:

1. Is it necessary for CNN to have a program called "The N Word" during a racially sensitive trial?

2. Will Nancy Grace pull a Duke Lacrosse case and take the night off after a not guilty verdict?

 

[legaleagle_45]

It makes more sense that Martin ran home..then went back, Skittles and drink in hand to confront Zimmerman..or lay in wait with the same "weapons of death" to jump the guy following him.

You bring up a good point!

Question for anyone:

Is there a crime scene photo of the skittles or the ice tea can?

EMT testimony that both were in pockets of the hoody. Can of ice tea removed by EMT to treat Martin. Skittles left in pocket of hoody by EMT.

 

[Missourian]

OK I've been out since 10:30 this morning. What did I miss? Has Bernie given up yet?

You missed the entire thing!

The Bernster was in the middle of questioning the defense's expert Hiro when he threw his hands up said OKAY! You got me! this entire thing has been a farce. The crowd cheered, there was much chatter about what to bbq for the 4th on the way out. The Bernster resigned and got a job with Ford.

I may have disturbed the neighbors with that LOL.

Poor Ford.

 

[Sallow]

In Z's own words, when asked how long his nose and mouth were covered, It seemed like hours.

What's great about that, is the photos before the EMT's got there show no smearing.

Additionally, Martin must of been sorta super human..as with all the punching and head banging and holding Zimmerman's mouth..didn't do much damage to his hands.

Look at the pictures again. There is a blood smear on the left side of his face. Small, yes, but he WAS laying on his back so the blood would have been running down the back of his sinus cavity and down his throat,
If you don't understand, grab any 3rd grade science book and read up on "gravity". You CAN read, I assume?

You look at them.

The blood from his nose seems to come from 2 pin holes at the tip and not the nostrils. Also the blood patterns on the back of his head are pretty weird, like he was upside down. The small abrasions are inconsistent with someone getting their head pummeled against concrete as well.

And I am wondering how much of Zimmerman's blood is on Trayvvon's clothing.

Because if it's not a lot then it's another major inconsistency.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I only have two questions left on this case, and they both revolve around media coverage:

1. Is it necessary for CNN to have a program called "The N Word" during a racially sensitive trial?

2. Will Nancy Grace pull a Duke Lacrosse case and take the night off after a not guilty verdict?

1. CNN is trying to direct hatred against whites.
2. Probably...She may even riot her self.

 

[testarosa]

It makes more sense that Martin ran home..then went back, Skittles and drink in hand to confront Zimmerman..or lay in wait with the same "weapons of death" to jump the guy following him.

You bring up a good point!

Question for anyone:

Is there a crime scene photo of the skittles or the ice tea can?

Yes, it's on him and there's photos and the EMT testified on pulling out the tea, feeling the skittles.

 

[testarosa]

What's great about that, is the photos before the EMT's got there show no smearing.

Additionally, Martin must of been sorta super human..as with all the punching and head banging and holding Zimmerman's mouth..didn't do much damage to his hands.

Look at the pictures again. There is a blood smear on the left side of his face. Small, yes, but he WAS laying on his back so the blood would have been running down the back of his sinus cavity and down his throat,
If you don't understand, grab any 3rd grade science book and read up on "gravity". You CAN read, I assume?

You look at them.

The blood from his nose seems to come from 2 pin holes at the tip and not the nostrils. Also the blood patterns on the back of his head are pretty weird, like he was upside down. The small abrasions are inconsistent with someone getting their head pummeled against concrete as well.

And I am wondering how much of Zimmerman's blood is on Trayvvon's clothing.

Because if it's not a lot then it's another major inconsistency.

Wut?

 

[MeBelle]

MarcATL has solved this crime!
In his own words:

What's interesting, and actually funny to me is, that how you people can use the calculation of the position of the car at a certain time to assert that Trayvon IN FACT doubled-back to attack Trayvon. Yet, even though you have the testimony, that has never wavered, from Jeantel, that states that Trayvon was very concerned about the "creepy" man that was following him, and on top of that had an exchange with her on how to deal with it, whether to run away or what.

Sorry MarcATL, was too funny to pass up.