The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[rdean]

Will he?

Why? Why not?

He won't. He's been caught in more lies than a Republican congressman.

 

[SantaFeWay]

Look...this case is falling apart because there is no case.

Mistakes were made, blah blah blah. Hate to say it that way. Honest to goodness, this is not a crime. Neither GZ or TM went out that night with bodily harm on their minds but a death happened. Martin was a testosterone-pumped wanna be thug who didn't go home when he had the chance. He scuffled with Zimmerman who had a gun. It ended with Martin dead and Zimmerman on the hot seat. This is tragic however you look at it. It was a crossing of paths that ended horribly. It was not a case of murder or even of negligent homicide, it was a clear case of self defense. Flapping of gums is useless. It will never be more than it is. How much more evidence does the public and we here on this forum need to see and hear??? Let's call it what it is. Be done with it and mourn both the poor decisions of TM, and of the attorney's office that chose to prosecute this unwinnable case. GZ and his family are also traumatized, as well as the Martin family. Let it rest.

 

[Gracie]

Scharazade Ali. That is her name. Before i changed the channel, the question was asked if riots would erupt due to the verdict..if the verdict is not quilty. Mz Footstool On Her Head rolled her eyes, did the snake head dance and then said the rodney king riots were tempter tantrums but whitey calls them riots. (She didn't exactly say whitey, but it was damn close).

Everyone else on the panel..including blacks....were aghast at her attitude. SHE is what is wrong with the race problem.She and alll that think just as she does. She WANTS blacks to have a "temper tantrum". She showed that plain and simple.

The media is riot jonesing.

Even one of the black gals said in response to Ali "MORE blacks have been killed BY OTHER BLACKS than any lynching that ever took place pre civil war and after the civil war" when Ali Footstool said this case was about race and Whitey just wants to lunch another young black boy.

This woman is insane.

 

[MarcATL]

Here's what's interesting about today's Defense Witness, Chris Zerino...

He implied that a witness that sticks too much to their story may be lying.

He said that he didn't think that Zimmerman's injuries were as serious as he indicated them to be.

WoW!!!

Few things. There doesn't have to be any injuries for there to be a legal claim of self defense. Walking or running or even following are not felonies in Florida, so unless you have evidence that GZ threw the first punch, TM can not be legally justified in defending himself. To the point that the aggressor can still claim self defense 2a or 2b:

Florida Statutes (Fla. Stat.)

Title XLVI. Crimes.

Chapter 776: JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—

The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

Got to take the good with the bad bro.

Marc please respond.

OK.

1. Most of the applicable witnesses don't believe that Zimmerman's injuries were as bad as he CLAIMED they were...so, no imminent danger.

2. Where's the evidence that Trayvon threw the first punch?

 

[MeBelle]

Whoops!

CNN broadcasts George Zimmerman’s Social Security number

?Future lawsuit?: CNN broadcasts George Zimmerman?s Social Security number | Twitchy

 

[GWV5903]

I think a defendant should always take the stand, it is the only way to produce a fair trial...

 

[MarcATL]

MarcAtl,

Why are you racist against whites? Please let your bigotry rest for a moment to consider the evidence.

I can't hear you, as you're not addressing the facts of the case.

 

[Gracie]

Tell that to Mz Footstool head, SantaFe. She is determined to urge blacks to "have a tantrum". Which usually means they will destroy their own neighborhoods and each other. What a bunch of doofuses.

 

[MarcATL]

never said what you claim

when you want an honest discussion, get back to me

OK, but how else could it be if not that in the case of, gunman Zimmerman vs. unarmed Trayvon?

there are a few scenarios and you are hearing about them from the prosecution's witnesses. zimmerman started it, martin got the best of him and in the heat of the fight he went too far and zimmerman reasonably feared for his life.....zimmerman didn't start it....etc

Let's stop right there...

That being the case, wasn't Trayvon defending himself in fear of HIS life? Which ultimately got taken as we all know. So it turns out he had the right fear and was justified in fighting to the death.

Do you agree?

 

[jon_berzerk]

‘Future lawsuit’: CNN broadcasts George Zimmerman’s Social Security number

?Future lawsuit?: CNN broadcasts George Zimmerman?s Social Security number | Twitchy

 

[pioneerpete]

Few things. There doesn't have to be any injuries for there to be a legal claim of self defense. Walking or running or even following are not felonies in Florida, so unless you have evidence that GZ threw the first punch, TM can not be legally justified in defending himself. To the point that the aggressor can still claim self defense 2a or 2b:

Florida Statutes (Fla. Stat.)

Title XLVI. Crimes.

Chapter 776: JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—

The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

Got to take the good with the bad bro.

Marc please respond.

OK.

1. Most of the applicable witnesses don't believe that Zimmerman's injuries were as bad as he CLAIMED they were...so, no imminent danger.

2. Where's the evidence that Trayvon threw the first punch?

1. How many times should someone slam your head down or punch you before you feel in danger? What injuries are suitable for you to feel that you have the right to respond with force? Taken another way, how many times would someone have to shoot you before you feel danger for your life? The law doesn't put a requirement on injuries for the use of lethal force.

2. GZ's account is taken at face value, so it must be discredited. It's that whole thing about being innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Gracie]

Whoops!

CNN broadcasts George Zimmerman’s Social Security number

?Future lawsuit?: CNN broadcasts George Zimmerman?s Social Security number | Twitchy

Oh. It's ok. Really it is. He isn't black so no biggie.

 

[testarosa]

My quotey thing is broken on my phone [MENTION=42649]Gracie[/MENTION] the local news has been playing riots from last year becsuse there's been like 1 picketer (is that a word?) at the court. Paaaathetic.

 

[Mertex]

There are light skinned hispanics and dark skinned hispanics. It's a legitimate term.

Hispanics are considered "white" in the US census and has nothing to do with whether they are light skinned or dark skinned. They are considered caucasians and caucasians are "white".
The term Hispanic deals with ethnicity, not race. GZ is Hispanic, ergo, white, but he is not "Anglo". Perhaps if those who are on GZ's side would have known that just because his name was Zimmerman that he was not "anglo", but was "Hispanic" - they may have remained neutral on the case.

A debatable methodology of terms

Are Latinos White? Census Confusion Sparks Debate Over Racial Identity

"The census is not logical," said David Tavárez, professor of anthropology at Vassar College in New York. "It responds to the political pressures of certain groups in this country."

-Geaux

So, what do you suggest that they are? There is no "brown" race and not all Hispanics are brown!

 

[Gracie]

It's like a frenzy of sharks smelling blood. They are SOOOO eager to dish shit out, they are now making big mistakes. Hope zimmerman sues the fuck out of them.

 

[pioneerpete]

OK, but how else could it be if not that in the case of, gunman Zimmerman vs. unarmed Trayvon?

there are a few scenarios and you are hearing about them from the prosecution's witnesses. zimmerman started it, martin got the best of him and in the heat of the fight he went too far and zimmerman reasonably feared for his life.....zimmerman didn't start it....etc

Let's stop right there...

That being the case, wasn't Trayvon defending himself in fear of HIS life? Which ultimately got taken as we all know. So it turns out he had the right fear and was justified in fighting to the death.

Do you agree?

Walking, running and following is not a felony, so no he was not within the law to use force on GZ.

 

[testarosa]

New Tweet out with Z's wrong address again right now too. Can you say Agenda Witch Hunt?

 

[SantaFeWay]

Tell that to Mz Footstool head, SantaFe. She is determined to urge blacks to "have a tantrum". Which usually means they will destroy their own neighborhoods and each other. What a bunch of doofuses.

When did she say this? I missed it. Did I miss her presser????

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

Is anyone else experiencing deja vu?

Uh huh! Look at my signature. That's why I haven't said much the past few days. LOL

 

[jon_berzerk]

My quotey thing is broken on my phone [MENTION=42649]Gracie[/MENTION] the local news has been playing riots from last year because there's been like 1 picketer (is that a word?) at the court. Paaaathetic.

sweet