The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[Sarah G]

Blah, blah, blah. Prattle, prattle, prattle.

Is this dumbass really trying to run out the clock so the jury has only Dr Shipping to think about over the weekend???



Swift move, Dumbass.

I wonder if the jury has yet picked up on just how horrible as a State witness Dr. Bao really was?

I was thinking about that too, he got better this afternoon when the jury was present. Not great but better.

 

[The Rabbi]

So Zimerman will testify he was not in fear of his life when he shot Martin.
With eye witness testimony stating undisputed that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and had him pinned on the ground hitting him you believe that does not make someone fear for their life.
No Marc, the burden is that Zimmerman has NO DUTY TO RETREAT and defending one's self is a broad area.
Shooting and killing can be used in self defense of one's self if someone is attacking you.

Marc, hate to break the news to you now as you obviously do no research on your own:

The law in Florida contains TWO presumptions that favor a defendant who is making a self defense claim:
1. The PRESUMPTION THAT THE DEFENDANT had a reasonable fear that deadly force was necessary.
and
2. The PRESUMPTION THAT THE VICTIM intended to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.

REASONABLE is a broad and vague area Marc. I actually do not like this law but it IS THE LAW.
And we are not a nation of has been talking head media that you have been listening to.

Those things will be charged to the jury in the jury charges by the Judge that ARE PRESUMED. Zimmerman has to do NOTHING to prove either one of them.
Additionally, as I schooled you on earlier the defendant HAS NO DUTY to retreat.

Pretty good for an "a-hole" huh Marc.
Give it up or get back to us when you study up and research THE LAW.

And I've been saying from the beginning that this case revolves around what you labelled as 1. No. 2, is also at the heart of this case which will be determined by the jury.

However, the way you've been spewing is as if Zimmerman is just an innocent little child caught up in some massive conspiracy to jail him.

He hasn't proven that he was in fear for his life, and he hasn't proven that the victim meant to commit a crime.

My call is that Zimmerman is TOAST!!

I wasn't aware he had to do this. I was always under the assumption that the state carried the burden to prove that. Maybe he has to prove these things to convince you, but not the state of Florida. Grow the fuck up man!

The defense doesnt have to show Zimmerman was in fear for his life. It merely has to show that that a reasonable person in that situation would be in fear of death or severe bodily harm. Now it could be FL law is different and the state must overcome the presumption of such fear. I'm not versed on the exact detail of FL law. But it is an easy bar to reach. A man is down on his back and a bigger stronger younger man is pounding his head into the pavement. Yeah, any of us would be afraid in that situation.

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

So manslaughter is a lesser included charge here.

 

[testarosa]

I liked the caption on the graphic of the live feed when the prosecutor was offering his counter-argument to the defense motion: Zimmerman Trial | Live video | Prosecution Witnesses

It said the state was responding to the "judgment of acquittal [sic]."

LOL.

Could the network KNOW something?

She's going to say no.

I bet my bottom rep.

 

[Sunshine]

It was clearly not self defense. Zimmerman had no life threatening injuries and Trayvon only had one. .

One does not need to be dead to exercise the right to self defense, nor does one have to be almost dead. In fact, in many instances, a person properly exercising self defense will not suffer any physical injury whatsoever.

It's my greatest hope that if I ever have to shoot someone to defend myself, they dont get the opportunity to even touch me first.

You lawyerees leave your phone number behind here just in case that ever happens

You have to learn to trust your gut and use common sense. But there are times when you have to be where you could be in harm's way. When I was taking my Advanced Psychopharmacology class, I had to be out in the Vanderbilt area late at night, where there are some known street gangs. My friends were all over me about it. But I didn't really have a choice if I wanted to take the course. I suppose I could have gotten a cab to take me to my car. Other than that, it wasn't really optional.

But I did learn years ago, when you walked out on the unit and the hair on the back of your neck stands up, you really should be watching your back pretty closely.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

So manslaughter is a lesser included charge here.

Yep.

Always has been.

And this is why it's so important to recognize that the defense of "justification" is ALSO a defense to manslaughter (even when the victim is a minor).

 

[Vox]

Prosecutor for the third and fourth time called Zimmerman a liar. How is "HE'S A LIAR" a reason to convict?!

The entire case against Zimmerman is a leftist knee jerk reaction. They're saying to Zimmerman what they feel they're.

the entire case is driven by anti-gun agenda beneath the surface of the obvious racism of the left.

 

[Sunshine]

I liked the caption on the graphic of the live feed when the prosecutor was offering his counter-argument to the defense motion: Zimmerman Trial | Live video | Prosecution Witnesses

It said the state was responding to the "judgment of acquittal [sic]."

LOL.

Could the network KNOW something?

She's going to say no.

I bet my bottom rep.

Of course she is. No judge in her right mind would set herself up to face the angry mob alone.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

I liked the caption on the graphic of the live feed when the prosecutor was offering his counter-argument to the defense motion: Zimmerman Trial | Live video | Prosecution Witnesses

It said the state was responding to the "judgment of acquittal [sic]."

LOL.

Could the network KNOW something?

She's going to say no.

I bet my bottom rep.

She should say yes. I expect her to say no anyway.

I'd love to be surprised by a display of judicial acumen and guts, however.

Do the RIGHT thing, judge.

Surprise us all.

 

[Sunshine]

So manslaughter is a lesser included charge here.

Voluntary. Not involuntary.

 

[Sunshine]

I liked the caption on the graphic of the live feed when the prosecutor was offering his counter-argument to the defense motion: Zimmerman Trial | Live video | Prosecution Witnesses

It said the state was responding to the "judgment of acquittal [sic]."

LOL.

Could the network KNOW something?

She's going to say no.

I bet my bottom rep.

She should say yes. I expect her to say no anyway.

I'd love to be surprised by a display of judicial acumen and guts, however.

Do the RIGHT thing, judge.

Surprise us all.

Well, in all honesty, I want to see what the defense has.

 

[Sarah G]

Prosecution is droning on and on and on...

They always do. I am watching on TV and it's always a little behind but I see the judge sitting there smiling like, ok wrap it up.

She indeed looks bored!

It's hard listening to them argue all day but she has contol. She's listening. I didn't get that with the judge from Jodi Arius. That judge looked overwhelmed all the time. She even cried at the end.

 

[deltex1]

There is no way the judge is going to throw this case out...she has no balls ...and even if she did she would fear retribution....and I doubt she has a concealed carry lisence.

 

[Sunshine]

Prosecution is droning on and on and on...

They always do. I am watching on TV and it's always a little behind but I see the judge sitting there smiling like, ok wrap it up.

She indeed looks bored!

The law is boring. If you can't sleep get out Prosser and Keeton on Torts~!

 

[JustSomeGuy]

So Zimerman will testify he was not in fear of his life when he shot Martin.
With eye witness testimony stating undisputed that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and had him pinned on the ground hitting him you believe that does not make someone fear for their life.
No Marc, the burden is that Zimmerman has NO DUTY TO RETREAT and defending one's self is a broad area.
Shooting and killing can be used in self defense of one's self if someone is attacking you.

Marc, hate to break the news to you now as you obviously do no research on your own:

The law in Florida contains TWO presumptions that favor a defendant who is making a self defense claim:
1. The PRESUMPTION THAT THE DEFENDANT had a reasonable fear that deadly force was necessary.
and
2. The PRESUMPTION THAT THE VICTIM intended to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.

REASONABLE is a broad and vague area Marc. I actually do not like this law but it IS THE LAW.
And we are not a nation of has been talking head media that you have been listening to.

Those things will be charged to the jury in the jury charges by the Judge that ARE PRESUMED. Zimmerman has to do NOTHING to prove either one of them.
Additionally, as I schooled you on earlier the defendant HAS NO DUTY to retreat.

Pretty good for an "a-hole" huh Marc.
Give it up or get back to us when you study up and research THE LAW.

And I've been saying from the beginning that this case revolves around what you labelled as 1. No. 2, is also at the heart of this case which will be determined by the jury.

However, the way you've been spewing is as if Zimmerman is just an innocent little child caught up in some massive conspiracy to jail him.

He hasn't proven that he was in fear for his life, and he hasn't proven that the victim meant to commit a crime.

My call is that Zimmerman is TOAST!!

This isn't the way things work. The state has to prove GZ's guilt. GZ does *not* have to prove his innocence.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

She's going to say no.

I bet my bottom rep.

She should say yes. I expect her to say no anyway.

I'd love to be surprised by a display of judicial acumen and guts, however.

Do the RIGHT thing, judge.

Surprise us all.

Well, in all honesty, I want to see what the defense has.

You wouldn't if you were sitting in Zimmerman's seat.

 

[Edgetho]

True story:

Fifteen or twenty years ago, we were having a real problem down here with tourists getting car-jacked after arriving at the Miami Airport.

It was so bad that several European Countries were threatening to put 'Travel Warnings' out for people headed to Miami.

Florida is the #1 Tourist destination on Earth. Nobody else even gets close. It's big money. BIG money.

So the State told Miami to get it's shit together -- Or else.

They tried everything, extra Cops, tiplines, Cops on foot, helicopter patrols.... Everything.

Nothing worked.

Here's what was happeneing. When you rent a car and leave the Miami Airport, if you turn one direction, you're fine. You turn the other direction and in two minutes you're in the heart of Liberty City. Bad neighborhood.

The local crack heads knew something that hadn't occured to our gubmint officials yet --

All rented and leased cars at that time had license plates that started with an "X' a "Y" or a "Z".

So the bad guys knew that those people wandering around in Liberty City were tourists and definitely unarmed.

So they were singling them out and car-jacking and often murdering them.

Solution.... Simple. Just stop using those license plates.

Because down here, most residents have a gun in their car with them. Something about three moves and it's perfectly legal. In fact, the Cops don't pay any attention to that. Everybody carries down here, Marc. Everybody.

So our resident crackheads got desperate and started trying to carjack people without the fore-knowledge that they'd be unarmed tourists and....

They got the shit killed out of themselves. It was so bad that the Miami NAACP made a big stink about. About how too many of 'their' people were getting killed.

They were told to shut the fuck up and go away.

You try to carjack people down here and you ain't gonna live very long. Billy Bob is gonna shoot your ass dead. REAL dead.

And down here, in Florida, Marc?

You walk up to someone and punch him in the nose, breaking it?

And the odds are pretty good you're going to die that day. Maybe that minute.

And nothing will be done to the guy or girl that shot you.

You don't like it? Stay out of Florida

Sounds like a town led by vigilante rednecks...by your own account.

Great post indeed, shows the state of mind that Zimmerman also had before he went off on his vigilante killing spree.

So you stand for being a victim. Great position indeed. Shows the state of mind that you have when coming to your stance when viewing this case.

Nevermind

 

[testarosa]

She's going to say no.

I bet my bottom rep.

She should say yes. I expect her to say no anyway.

I'd love to be surprised by a display of judicial acumen and guts, however.

Do the RIGHT thing, judge.

Surprise us all.

Well, in all honesty, I want to see what the defense has.

I want to see that Crump wrong righted.

 

[ScienceRocks]

But according to GADAWG, you have the right to shoot someone just because they hit you. That's it.

It doesn't work like that, you have to be in fear of your life.

We do not live in the wild wild West anymore. Those days are long gone.

True story:

Fifteen or twenty years ago, we were having a real problem down here with tourists getting car-jacked after arriving at the Miami Airport.

It was so bad that several European Countries were threatening to put 'Travel Warnings' out for people headed to Miami.

Florida is the #1 Tourist destination on Earth. Nobody else even gets close. It's big money. BIG money.

So the State told Miami to get it's shit together -- Or else.

They tried everything, extra Cops, tiplines, Cops on foot, helicopter patrols.... Everything.

Nothing worked.

Here's what was happeneing. When you rent a car and leave the Miami Airport, if you turn one direction, you're fine. You turn the other direction and in two minutes you're in the heart of Liberty City. Bad neighborhood.

The local crack heads knew something that hadn't occured to our gubmint officials yet --

All rented and leased cars at that time had license plates that started with an "X' a "Y" or a "Z".

So the bad guys knew that those people wandering around in Liberty City were tourists and definitely unarmed.

So they were singling them out and car-jacking and often murdering them.

Solution.... Simple. Just stop using those license plates.

Because down here, most residents have a gun in their car with them. Something about three moves and it's perfectly legal. In fact, the Cops don't pay any attention to that. Everybody carries down here, Marc. Everybody.

So our resident crackheads got desperate and started trying to carjack people without the fore-knowledge that they'd be unarmed tourists and....

They got the shit killed out of themselves. It was so bad that the Miami NAACP made a big stink about. About how too many of 'their' people were getting killed.

They were told to shut the fuck up and go away.

You try to carjack people down here and you ain't gonna live very long. Billy Bob is gonna shoot your ass dead. REAL dead.

And down here, in Florida, Marc?

You walk up to someone and punch him in the nose, breaking it?

And the odds are pretty good you're going to die that day. Maybe that minute.

And nothing will be done to the guy or girl that shot you.

You don't like it? Stay out of Florida

Sounds like a town led by vigilante rednecks...by your own account.

Great post indeed, shows the state of mind that Zimmerman also had before he went off on his vigilante killing spree.

Better then a town full of gangta's that think they can beat and kill people. Zimmerman was well within his rights to self defense.

If he want on a killing spree he sure as hell wouldn't be getting beat up on the ground.

 

[asaratis]

"Martin was alive for 1 to 10 minutes, but could not move" How convenient he points that out...

I consider that his biased opinion...not fact.

Why?

It was as biased as his description of Trayvon as "a seventeen year old". He added that to evoke pity based on his youth.

That goofy "expert witness" has no business stating that Trayvon could not have moved. Witnesses say he did move. I opine that he may have moved his own hands toward his chest in reaction to pain in the chest area.