The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Phoenall]

The thread was discussing maps of Palestine, get with the program. You need to look up the word "relevance" lying Hollie.

No the thread is discussing the creation of Israel the UN and British mandate.

So why do you go off topic all the time.

 

[Phoenall]

Without regard to how you attempt to scramble the information, it is a Regional Map of Palestine and not a map of a political subdivision called Palestine.

No such attempt, just your Zionist paranoia over reacting to a poor attempt at humour.

Rat boy is getting his ass whuped again so resorts to the plaintive cry of the failed neo Marxist Zionist paranoia in an attempt at making people believe his opponents are mentally challenged.


LOSER

 

[Mindful]

Why is this even up for discussion?

Had the creation of Iraq and Jordan been talked about yet?

 

[Challenger]

Why is this even up for discussion?

Had the creation of Iraq and Jordan been talked about yet?

Certainly has, have you not been paying attention?

 

[Mindful]

Why is this even up for discussion?

Had the creation of Iraq and Jordan been talked about yet?

Certainly has, have you not been paying attention?

Clutching at straws? lol

 

[P F Tinmore]

The thread was discussing maps of Palestine, get with the program. You need to look up the word "relevance" lying Hollie.

Speaking of maps. It is interesting that 1948 is the biggest year in Israel's. It was the foundation of the state.

Funny that nobody bothered to make a map. It seems that a 1948 map of Israel does not exist.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The thread was discussing maps of Palestine, get with the program. You need to look up the word "relevance" lying Hollie.

No the thread is discussing the creation of Israel the UN and British mandate.

So why do you go off topic all the time.

That's easy. The Mandate did not create Israel.

 

[Mindful]

The thread was discussing maps of Palestine, get with the program. You need to look up the word "relevance" lying Hollie.

No the thread is discussing the creation of Israel the UN and British mandate.

So why do you go off topic all the time.

That's easy. The Mandate did not create Israel.

Who said it did?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The thread was discussing maps of Palestine, get with the program. You need to look up the word "relevance" lying Hollie.

No the thread is discussing the creation of Israel the UN and British mandate.

So why do you go off topic all the time.

That's easy. The Mandate did not create Israel.

Who said it did?

It has been said that the Mandate gave the land to the Jews. Not true.

 

[Phoenall]

The thread was discussing maps of Palestine, get with the program. You need to look up the word "relevance" lying Hollie.

Speaking of maps. It is interesting that 1948 is the biggest year in Israel's. It was the foundation of the state.

Funny that nobody bothered to make a map. It seems that a 1948 map of Israel does not exist.

And where is the 1923, 1948 and 1988 maps drawn up by Palestine then ?

A set of co-ordinates is as good as a map and the LoN reported just these when in delineated the land granted for the Jewish NATIONal home.

 

[Phoenall]

The thread was discussing maps of Palestine, get with the program. You need to look up the word "relevance" lying Hollie.

No the thread is discussing the creation of Israel the UN and British mandate.

So why do you go off topic all the time.

That's easy. The Mandate did not create Israel.

SAYS WHO as the mandate I keep throwing your way does many times, and you ignore it at your peril

 

[Phoenall]

The thread was discussing maps of Palestine, get with the program. You need to look up the word "relevance" lying Hollie.

No the thread is discussing the creation of Israel the UN and British mandate.

So why do you go off topic all the time.

That's easy. The Mandate did not create Israel.

Who said it did?

It has been said that the Mandate gave the land to the Jews. Not true.

Then it didn't give the land to the arab muslims for Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Iran either. As they are all part of the LoN mandate system.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, montelatici, et al,

Well, given the sequence of events, and the timeline in the establishment, I'm not sure it is "funny" at all.

The thread was discussing maps of Palestine, get with the program. You need to look up the word "relevance" lying Hollie.

Speaking of maps. It is interesting that 1948 is the biggest year in Israel's. It was the foundation of the state.
Funny that nobody bothered to make a map. It seems that a 1948 map of Israel does not exist.

(COMMENT)

The successor government (UNPC), established in November 1947 (Part I, Section B - Steps Preparatory to Independence) Partition Plan, went to work beginning In the early days of January 1948. At that point, the modified UN Map No. 103.1 (b) Survey of Palestine, April 1946, was being used on the Regional Scale to capture the entire territory under the Mandate. The Survey of Palestine, prepared by the British Mandate for UN prior to proposing the 1947 partition plan was the last survey on which a UN Map was developed. The final boundaries, as described in Part II of the plan, that were to be modified and correcting the political subdivision for municipalities and villages, had not been reported; interrupted by the external interference and invasion by the Arab League lasting into the next year. The last of the Armistice Lines were established in April 1949.

The Basic UN Map 103.1b was one of the most common Maps used on which to plot data. It was used well into the late 1950's and early 1960's. In the future, we will probably see more satellite Imagery, Gas & Oil Surveys, Tradition Modified Archive Imagery, become more prevalent.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, montelatici, et al,

Well, given the sequence of events, and the timeline in the establishment, I'm not sure it is "funny" at all.

The thread was discussing maps of Palestine, get with the program. You need to look up the word "relevance" lying Hollie.

Speaking of maps. It is interesting that 1948 is the biggest year in Israel's. It was the foundation of the state.
Funny that nobody bothered to make a map. It seems that a 1948 map of Israel does not exist.

(COMMENT)

The successor government (UNPC), established in November 1947 (Part I, Section B - Steps Preparatory to Independence) Partition Plan, went to work beginning In the early days of January 1948. At that point, the modified UN Map No. 103.1 (b) Survey of Palestine, April 1946, was being used on the Regional Scale to capture the entire territory under the Mandate. The Survey of Palestine, prepared by the British Mandate for UN prior to proposing the 1947 partition plan was the last survey on which a UN Map was developed. The final boundaries, as described in Part II of the plan, that were to be modified and correcting the political subdivision for municipalities and villages, had not been reported; interrupted by the external interference and invasion by the Arab League lasting into the next year. The last of the Armistice Lines were established in April 1949.

The Basic UN Map 103.1b was one of the most common Maps used on which to plot data. It was used well into the late 1950's and early 1960's. In the future, we will probably see more satellite Imagery, Gas & Oil Surveys, Tradition Modified Archive Imagery, become more prevalent.

View attachment 73881​

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but that is not a 1948 map of Israel.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are not listening.

P F Tinmore, montelatici, et al,

Well, given the sequence of events, and the timeline in the establishment, I'm not sure it is "funny" at all.

The thread was discussing maps of Palestine, get with the program. You need to look up the word "relevance" lying Hollie.

Speaking of maps. It is interesting that 1948 is the biggest year in Israel's. It was the foundation of the state.
Funny that nobody bothered to make a map. It seems that a 1948 map of Israel does not exist.

(COMMENT)

The successor government (UNPC), established in November 1947 (Part I, Section B - Steps Preparatory to Independence) Partition Plan, went to work beginning In the early days of January 1948. At that point, the modified UN Map No. 103.1 (b) Survey of Palestine, April 1946, was being used on the Regional Scale to capture the entire territory under the Mandate. The Survey of Palestine, prepared by the British Mandate for UN prior to proposing the 1947 partition plan was the last survey on which a UN Map was developed. The final boundaries, as described in Part II of the plan, that were to be modified and correcting the political subdivision for municipalities and villages, had not been reported; interrupted by the external interference and invasion by the Arab League lasting into the next year. The last of the Armistice Lines were established in April 1949.

The Basic UN Map 103.1b was one of the most common Maps used on which to plot data. It was used well into the late 1950's and early 1960's. In the future, we will probably see more satellite Imagery, Gas & Oil Surveys, Tradition Modified Archive Imagery, become more prevalent.

View attachment 73881​

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but that is not a 1948 map of Israel.

(COMMENT)

Israel declared independence on 15 May 1948. The Aggressors of the Arab League attacked hours later in violation of Article 2 of the Charter. There are no maps because during the period 15 Map to 31 December 1948, the FEBA (Forward Edge of the Battle Area) was in motion, until the cease fire was establish and Armistice Agreements set. The Maps used to set the Demarcation Lines are much larger scale that the UN Map 103.1b Map, and they use 8-Digit Military Grid Reference System (MGRS).

From 1949, when the Armistice Lines were established, until the Armistice Lines were replaced with Internationally Recognized Boundaries by Treaty (Egypt and Jordan), the Annexations (Golan Heights and Jerusalem), and the resurrection of the Blue Line last published by the UN in June 2000; and based on the deployment of the IDF prior to 14 March 1978.

On 7 June 2007 the completed map showing the withdrawal line was formally transmitted by the Force Commander of UNIFIL to his Lebanese and Israeli counterparts.

Armistice Commissions routinely assess when the Armistice Line needs to be updated. In the case of the Blue Line, it has been updated in 2011 and 2015.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, montelatici, et al,

Well, given the sequence of events, and the timeline in the establishment, I'm not sure it is "funny" at all.

The thread was discussing maps of Palestine, get with the program. You need to look up the word "relevance" lying Hollie.

Speaking of maps. It is interesting that 1948 is the biggest year in Israel's. It was the foundation of the state.
Funny that nobody bothered to make a map. It seems that a 1948 map of Israel does not exist.

(COMMENT)

The successor government (UNPC), established in November 1947 (Part I, Section B - Steps Preparatory to Independence) Partition Plan, went to work beginning In the early days of January 1948. At that point, the modified UN Map No. 103.1 (b) Survey of Palestine, April 1946, was being used on the Regional Scale to capture the entire territory under the Mandate. The Survey of Palestine, prepared by the British Mandate for UN prior to proposing the 1947 partition plan was the last survey on which a UN Map was developed. The final boundaries, as described in Part II of the plan, that were to be modified and correcting the political subdivision for municipalities and villages, had not been reported; interrupted by the external interference and invasion by the Arab League lasting into the next year. The last of the Armistice Lines were established in April 1949.

The Basic UN Map 103.1b was one of the most common Maps used on which to plot data. It was used well into the late 1950's and early 1960's. In the future, we will probably see more satellite Imagery, Gas & Oil Surveys, Tradition Modified Archive Imagery, become more prevalent.

View attachment 73881​

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but that is not a 1948 map of Israel.

(COMMENT)

I see I can't give you too much information. The Map is an example of one of the newer UN Source Maps (indicates as "in the future). The attached Maps to Posting #755 above, are also examples of the newer Maps often used in UN Reports.

To my knowledge, the parties to the conflict were too busy to survey and draw new maps in 1948 while pushing the FEBA forwar; the IDF in pursuit of the retreating Arab Forces.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are not listening.

P F Tinmore, montelatici, et al,

Well, given the sequence of events, and the timeline in the establishment, I'm not sure it is "funny" at all.

The thread was discussing maps of Palestine, get with the program. You need to look up the word "relevance" lying Hollie.

Speaking of maps. It is interesting that 1948 is the biggest year in Israel's. It was the foundation of the state.
Funny that nobody bothered to make a map. It seems that a 1948 map of Israel does not exist.

(COMMENT)

The successor government (UNPC), established in November 1947 (Part I, Section B - Steps Preparatory to Independence) Partition Plan, went to work beginning In the early days of January 1948. At that point, the modified UN Map No. 103.1 (b) Survey of Palestine, April 1946, was being used on the Regional Scale to capture the entire territory under the Mandate. The Survey of Palestine, prepared by the British Mandate for UN prior to proposing the 1947 partition plan was the last survey on which a UN Map was developed. The final boundaries, as described in Part II of the plan, that were to be modified and correcting the political subdivision for municipalities and villages, had not been reported; interrupted by the external interference and invasion by the Arab League lasting into the next year. The last of the Armistice Lines were established in April 1949.

The Basic UN Map 103.1b was one of the most common Maps used on which to plot data. It was used well into the late 1950's and early 1960's. In the future, we will probably see more satellite Imagery, Gas & Oil Surveys, Tradition Modified Archive Imagery, become more prevalent.

View attachment 73881​

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but that is not a 1948 map of Israel.

(COMMENT)

Israel declared independence on 15 May 1948. The Aggressors of the Arab League attacked hours later in violation of Article 2 of the Charter. There are no maps because during the period 15 Map to 31 December 1948, the FEBA (Forward Edge of the Battle Area) was in motion, until the cease fire was establish and Armistice Agreements set. The Maps used to set the Demarcation Lines are much larger scale that the UN Map 103.1b Map, and they use 8-Digit Military Grid Reference System (MGRS).

From 1949, when the Armistice Lines were established, until the Armistice Lines were replaced with Internationally Recognized Boundaries by Treaty (Egypt and Jordan), the Annexations (Golan Heights and Jerusalem), and the resurrection of the Blue Line last published by the UN in June 2000; and based on the deployment of the IDF prior to 14 March 1978.

On 7 June 2007 the completed map showing the withdrawal line was formally transmitted by the Force Commander of UNIFIL to his Lebanese and Israeli counterparts.

Armistice Commissions routinely assess when the Armistice Line needs to be updated. In the case of the Blue Line, it has been updated in 2011 and 2015.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Aggressors of the Arab League attacked hours later in violation of Article 2 of the Charter.​

How so? What was the violation?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, montelatici, et al,

Well, given the sequence of events, and the timeline in the establishment, I'm not sure it is "funny" at all.

The thread was discussing maps of Palestine, get with the program. You need to look up the word "relevance" lying Hollie.

Speaking of maps. It is interesting that 1948 is the biggest year in Israel's. It was the foundation of the state.
Funny that nobody bothered to make a map. It seems that a 1948 map of Israel does not exist.

(COMMENT)

The successor government (UNPC), established in November 1947 (Part I, Section B - Steps Preparatory to Independence) Partition Plan, went to work beginning In the early days of January 1948. At that point, the modified UN Map No. 103.1 (b) Survey of Palestine, April 1946, was being used on the Regional Scale to capture the entire territory under the Mandate. The Survey of Palestine, prepared by the British Mandate for UN prior to proposing the 1947 partition plan was the last survey on which a UN Map was developed. The final boundaries, as described in Part II of the plan, that were to be modified and correcting the political subdivision for municipalities and villages, had not been reported; interrupted by the external interference and invasion by the Arab League lasting into the next year. The last of the Armistice Lines were established in April 1949.

The Basic UN Map 103.1b was one of the most common Maps used on which to plot data. It was used well into the late 1950's and early 1960's. In the future, we will probably see more satellite Imagery, Gas & Oil Surveys, Tradition Modified Archive Imagery, become more prevalent.

View attachment 73881​

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but that is not a 1948 map of Israel.

Where's your map of Palestine then accepted by the UN as the true extent of the declaration of 1988.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are not listening.

P F Tinmore, montelatici, et al,

Well, given the sequence of events, and the timeline in the establishment, I'm not sure it is "funny" at all.

The thread was discussing maps of Palestine, get with the program. You need to look up the word "relevance" lying Hollie.

Speaking of maps. It is interesting that 1948 is the biggest year in Israel's. It was the foundation of the state.
Funny that nobody bothered to make a map. It seems that a 1948 map of Israel does not exist.

(COMMENT)

The successor government (UNPC), established in November 1947 (Part I, Section B - Steps Preparatory to Independence) Partition Plan, went to work beginning In the early days of January 1948. At that point, the modified UN Map No. 103.1 (b) Survey of Palestine, April 1946, was being used on the Regional Scale to capture the entire territory under the Mandate. The Survey of Palestine, prepared by the British Mandate for UN prior to proposing the 1947 partition plan was the last survey on which a UN Map was developed. The final boundaries, as described in Part II of the plan, that were to be modified and correcting the political subdivision for municipalities and villages, had not been reported; interrupted by the external interference and invasion by the Arab League lasting into the next year. The last of the Armistice Lines were established in April 1949.

The Basic UN Map 103.1b was one of the most common Maps used on which to plot data. It was used well into the late 1950's and early 1960's. In the future, we will probably see more satellite Imagery, Gas & Oil Surveys, Tradition Modified Archive Imagery, become more prevalent.

View attachment 73881​

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but that is not a 1948 map of Israel.

(COMMENT)

Israel declared independence on 15 May 1948. The Aggressors of the Arab League attacked hours later in violation of Article 2 of the Charter. There are no maps because during the period 15 Map to 31 December 1948, the FEBA (Forward Edge of the Battle Area) was in motion, until the cease fire was establish and Armistice Agreements set. The Maps used to set the Demarcation Lines are much larger scale that the UN Map 103.1b Map, and they use 8-Digit Military Grid Reference System (MGRS).

From 1949, when the Armistice Lines were established, until the Armistice Lines were replaced with Internationally Recognized Boundaries by Treaty (Egypt and Jordan), the Annexations (Golan Heights and Jerusalem), and the resurrection of the Blue Line last published by the UN in June 2000; and based on the deployment of the IDF prior to 14 March 1978.

On 7 June 2007 the completed map showing the withdrawal line was formally transmitted by the Force Commander of UNIFIL to his Lebanese and Israeli counterparts.

Armistice Commissions routinely assess when the Armistice Line needs to be updated. In the case of the Blue Line, it has been updated in 2011 and 2015.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Aggressors of the Arab League attacked hours later in violation of Article 2 of the Charter.​

How so? What was the violation?

Article 2
The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.

1. The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.
2. All Members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the present Charter.
3. All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.
4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
5. All Members shall give the United Nations every assistance in any action it takes in accordance with the present Charter, and shall refrain from giving assistance to any state against which the United Nations is taking preventive or enforcement action.
6. The Organization shall ensure that states which are not Members of the United Nations act in accordance with these Principles so far as may be necessary for the maintenance of international peace and security.
7. Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter Vll.

Highlighted for you, that is if you bother to read the UN charter

 

[Mindful]

Before there was the UN there was the League of Nations, and at the San Remo conference they signed the San Remo Accords in 1920, where they decided that in the Levant, there would be a Jewish homeland where the Jewish people would be allowed to build a nation-state on their “ancestral lands.” Now the boundaries were not completely set here, but there were some very specific landmarks mentioned. Also its important to note that under actual international law, UN charter article 80 was very clear in that we cannot change it and that it takes priority over anything written afterwards. You can Google it yourself but basically it says very clearly from the river to the sea, it is Jewish land under international law open to Jewish settlement. By the way, they also created several Arab states during this time period. I don’t see much complaining about Iraq, Jordan and Syria though.

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