the only remaining argument against capatalism

[bendog]

The best and greatest argument against the burgoise society otherwise known as capitalism is the moral argument. I just keep mentioning wealth gap or how it is unfair and people are so outraged that they rush to shut it down. Despite the fact that real communist societies have their own wealth gap between between favoured bureaucrats, chosen individuals and everyone else I just keep telling people how unjust the capatalism system is. I really don't care if nothing else has ever worked in the history of the world or how every other unfree economy was riddled with corruption and had appointed aristocracies to rule over the peasants. I just keep beating this drum to death just so I can shut it down.

The best and greatest argument against the burgoise society otherwise known as capitalism is the moral argument.

Communism much better, they know how to deal with the bourgeois, eh comrade?

Only those on the far far left support Marxism/Communism and they are members of the Socialist Worker's Party. Use of the C-word should be restricted, when used as an everyday rebuttal and pejorative it is hackneyed, and the default for the set of all those unable to write a concise, cogent response.

And the practice of those playing the C word actually makes it more difficult to point out why some gummit program might be counterproductive even if it's well intentioned.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

The wealth gap then:
Poor people walk where they need to go on dirty, dusty roads, lucky to have shoes.
Rich people ride in horse-drawn carriages.

The wealth gap now:
Poor people drive their 2001 Ford Focus hither and thither.
Rich people drive their 2016 Lamborghini to and fro.

This dramatic decrease in the wealth gap brought to you by Capitalism.

Really?


The inequality gap, brought to you by conservative policy (can you say trickle down???)

The Plutocracy Reborn graphic is shocking, I remember seeing it in 2007 when it first was published.

I'd like to see this chart updated. The graphic would have to be tripled in height in order to accommodate the spike that would go sharply up the right side.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Conservatives don't say we need to give the rich money.

No, they just GIVE it to them through tax loopholes.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I'll help you out, since you didn't understand the post, yet insist on posting like you did.


The 'top floor/top of the building' represents advancement in society.

'The stairs' represents the route to achieve advancement in society. At one time, everyone took the stairs.

'The elevator' represents a faster route for advancement in society.

The necessity of an 'elevator pass' represents the loss of equal opportunity in America. The time of everybody being allowed the equal opportunity of taking the stairs to the top with everybody else in America has gone. Now there's two routes: the broken down stairs for the underprivileged, and the 'elevator pass', for the few lucky ones and the children of the lucky ones.

It's all about EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, and the death of that principle in our country.


Like I said, you're out of your element.

I said I didn't need you to explain it to me.
There is nothing equal about taking anything away from a specific portion of society because you don't like the fact they have it.

If your suggestion is to take what the rich have so they can equally suffer your failures ... Then I don't have a problem telling you to go fuck yourself.
If the government were to take everything the top 1% has ... They aren't going to give it to you ... And it wouldn't even pay off our national debt.

The basis of your argument boils down to what other people have ... And what you want to take from them ... Nothing else.

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This ^^^ is not an argument, it is the current meme used by those who can't make an argument to counter a social policy which benefits the greater good. Now, one can argue if the government has any power by law to establish social policy, but no argument has yet been put before the supreme court repealing the 16th Amendment or social security, SSI, SSD, medicare or medicaid.

And while this is what the New Right wants, I've never read, heard or seen any argument which offered a cost-benefit and cost-deficit analysis of the consequences of their repeal.

 

[-S-]

I'll help you out, since you didn't understand the post, yet insist on posting like you did.


The 'top floor/top of the building' represents advancement in society.

'The stairs' represents the route to achieve advancement in society. At one time, everyone took the stairs.

'The elevator' represents a faster route for advancement in society.

The necessity of an 'elevator pass' represents the loss of equal opportunity in America. The time of everybody being allowed the equal opportunity of taking the stairs to the top with everybody else in America has gone. Now there's two routes: the broken down stairs for the underprivileged, and the 'elevator pass', for the few lucky ones and the children of the lucky ones.

It's all about EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, and the death of that principle in our country.


Like I said, you're out of your element.

I said I didn't need you to explain it to me.
There is nothing equal about taking anything away from a specific portion of society because you don't like the fact they have it.

If your suggestion is to take what the rich have so they can equally suffer your failures ... Then I don't have a problem telling you to go fuck yourself.
If the government were to take everything the top 1% has ... They aren't going to give it to you ... And it wouldn't even pay off our national debt.

The basis of your argument boils down to what other people have ... And what you want to take from them ... Nothing else.

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You still don't get it. I'm not saying anybody should have anything taken from them.


This is about EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, not about the EQUALITY OF WEALTH.


One day, I hope you master the art of reading comprehension.

Go in peace, child.

 

[Skull Pilot]

It is not immoral to have more than another.

It is jealousy to covet what is not yours

Is it jealosy to expect a wage you can support your family on?

It depends on the skills you bring to the table.

If all you can do is stuff shit into a bag then yes it is too much

 

[Dad2three]

It is not immoral to have more than another.

It is jealousy to covet what is not yours

You just don't get it do you?

Where did I say give more to anyone?

Anyone is completely free to earn as much as he can.

And if someone earns more than me I have absolutely no right to any of it.

No one is stopping you or anyone else from making more money. You just don't have the gumption to do what it takes so you whine about other people's wealth instead.

It's pathetic.

Pathetic is you don't think or that Gov't policy doesn't influence wealth or the distribution of it, good or bad

Ayn Rand wrote fiction Bubba

 

[Skull Pilot]

Conservatives don't say we need to give the rich money.

No, they just GIVE it to them through tax loopholes.

So people you call rich pay far more income taxes than the 47% of people who pay no income taxes yet you think the so called rich are getting money given to them?

Seems to me the people who pay ZERO are the ones getting something given to them

 

[Skull Pilot]

It is not immoral to have more than another.

It is jealousy to covet what is not yours

You just don't get it do you?

Where did I say give more to anyone?

Anyone is completely free to earn as much as he can.

And if someone earns more than me I have absolutely no right to any of it.

No one is stopping you or anyone else from making more money. You just don't have the gumption to do what it takes so you whine about other people's wealth instead.

It's pathetic.

Pathetic is you don't think or that Gov't policy doesn't influence wealth or the distribution of it, good or bad

Ayn Rand wrote fiction Bubba

I never read Atlas Shrugged.

So tell me how is the government keeping you from making more money?

 

[Dad2three]

Sure you do Bubba, sure, lol

I do. I've said it many times.
Why do you want more illegals to drive down wages?
Are you a rich business man?
Why do you hate poor Americans?

Sure, you "said it" yet support policy and politicians who support and do the opposite. Weird

I support politicians who want to seal the border.
You support Obama who wants to import more illegals.
Why do you hate poor Americans?

Obama doesn't want to let millions more illegals come here?
Obama didn't sign an executive amnesty? LOL!
Maybe Obamacare can help you with that brain damage?

Like I said, without false premises, distortions and lies, what would right wingers EVER have?

"Obama doesn't want to let millions more illegals come here?"

There is the LIE


"Obama didn't sign an executive amnesty? "

Thee is the distortion

What else do you morons have Bubba?

 

[Dad2three]

Conservatives don't say we need to give the rich money.

Sure they don't Bubba, sure. What do you think 30+ years of trickle down Reaganomics does again???

 

[Dad2three]

It is not immoral to have more than another.

It is jealousy to covet what is not yours

Is it jealosy to expect a wage you can support your family on?

It depends on the skills you bring to the table.

If all you can do is stuff shit into a bag then yes it is too much

Yet since 1980 the top 1% has been more worthy because they are more educated? Work more? What exactly?



What changed about 1981?

 

[Skull Pilot]

It is not immoral to have more than another.

It is jealousy to covet what is not yours

Is it jealosy to expect a wage you can support your family on?

It depends on the skills you bring to the table.

If all you can do is stuff shit into a bag then yes it is too much

Yet since 1980 the top 1% has been more worthy because they are more educated? Work more? What exactly?



What changed about 1981?

And how has any of that stopped you from making more money?

It's a question none of you sheep ever answer.

 

[Dad2three]

Conservatives don't say we need to give the rich money.

No, they just GIVE it to them through tax loopholes.

So people you call rich pay far more income taxes than the 47% of people who pay no income taxes yet you think the so called rich are getting money given to them?

Seems to me the people who pay ZERO are the ones getting something given to them

You mean the share of the top 1% who have almost tripled and are paying the lowest sustained tax burden on those incomes are paying to much? Even though the total tax burden has dramatically been lowered on those INCOME SHARE? Yet the bottom HALF of US who've lost almost $5,000 PER family with their 11% pierce of the pie, are moochers??? lol

BTW, Income taxes are 45% of the federal revenue pies!


TOTAL effective tax burden by group

 

[bendog]

Conservatives don't say we need to give the rich money.

Sure they don't Bubba, sure. What do you think 30+ years of trickle down Reaganomics does again???

Well, there you go. (-: One can make good arguments that Reaganomics really did result in more wealth overall, and our houses and tvs are lot bigger, to say nothing of greater consumer choice. But at the same time, you have guys like skull pilot parroting how the top quintile (or whatever) pay 47% of income tax, while conveniently ignoring just not that their income/wealth increased much more than the tax bite, but also that property and local sales tax bites have risen on the working class faster than their incomes rose.

Taxes aren't fair. They never were supposed to be. We want to tax as little as possible, but we also need a society to deliver basic education and healthcare so as to maintain a middle class. And the middle class was largely a creation of the GI bill ....or govt intervention.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Conservatives don't say we need to give the rich money.

No, they just GIVE it to them through tax loopholes.

So people you call rich pay far more income taxes than the 47% of people who pay no income taxes yet you think the so called rich are getting money given to them?

Seems to me the people who pay ZERO are the ones getting something given to them

You mean the share of the top 1% who have almost tripled and are paying the lowest sustained tax burden on those incomes are paying to much? Even though the total tax burden has dramatically been lowered on those INCOME SHARE? Yet the bottom HALF of US who've lost almost $5,000 PER family with their 11% pierce of the pie, are moochers??? lol

BTW, Income taxes are 45% of the federal revenue pies!


TOTAL effective tax burden by group

So now ZERO income tax is too much?

 

[Dad2three]

It is not immoral to have more than another.

It is jealousy to covet what is not yours

You just don't get it do you?

Where did I say give more to anyone?

Anyone is completely free to earn as much as he can.

And if someone earns more than me I have absolutely no right to any of it.

No one is stopping you or anyone else from making more money. You just don't have the gumption to do what it takes so you whine about other people's wealth instead.

It's pathetic.

Pathetic is you don't think or that Gov't policy doesn't influence wealth or the distribution of it, good or bad

Ayn Rand wrote fiction Bubba

I never read Atlas Shrugged.

So tell me how is the government keeping you from making more money?

Never having read it doesn't mean you don't believe in the myth of perpetuates


You mean how does Gov't keep the "job creators" in luxury and the GOP fighting for them at every turn?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Conservatives don't say we need to give the rich money.

Sure they don't Bubba, sure. What do you think 30+ years of trickle down Reaganomics does again???

Well, there you go. (-: One can make good arguments that Reaganomics really did result in more wealth overall, and our houses and tvs are lot bigger, to say nothing of greater consumer choice. But at the same time, you have guys like skull pilot parroting how the top quintile (or whatever) pay 47% of income tax, while conveniently ignoring just not that their income/wealth increased much more than the tax bite, but also that property and local sales tax bites have risen on the working class faster than their incomes rose.

Taxes aren't fair. They never were supposed to be. We want to tax as little as possible, but we also need a society to deliver basic education and healthcare so as to maintain a middle class. And the middle class was largely a creation of the GI bill ....or govt intervention.

I said the bottom 47% pay zero income taxes.

 

[boedicca]

The best and greatest argument against the burgoise society otherwise known as capitalism is the moral argument. I just keep mentioning wealth gap or how it is unfair and people are so outraged that they rush to shut it down. Despite the fact that real communist societies have their own wealth gap between between favoured bureaucrats, chosen individuals and everyone else I just keep telling people how unjust the capatalism system is. I really don't care if nothing else has ever worked in the history of the world or how every other unfree economy was riddled with corruption and had appointed aristocracies to rule over the peasants. I just keep beating this drum to death just so I can shut it down.

Translation: you are a loon.

 

[bendog]

Conservatives don't say we need to give the rich money.

Sure they don't Bubba, sure. What do you think 30+ years of trickle down Reaganomics does again???

Well, there you go. (-: One can make good arguments that Reaganomics really did result in more wealth overall, and our houses and tvs are lot bigger, to say nothing of greater consumer choice. But at the same time, you have guys like skull pilot parroting how the top quintile (or whatever) pay 47% of income tax, while conveniently ignoring just not that their income/wealth increased much more than the tax bite, but also that property and local sales tax bites have risen on the working class faster than their incomes rose.

Taxes aren't fair. They never were supposed to be. We want to tax as little as possible, but we also need a society to deliver basic education and healthcare so as to maintain a middle class. And the middle class was largely a creation of the GI bill ....or govt intervention.

I said the bottom 47% pay zero income taxes.

It's still an intentional argument made to ignore the alterations in tax and income overall.