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if the last decade has not warmed or cooled then why would you find that reason for alarm?
if the last decade has not warmed or cooled then why would you find that reason for alarm?
Because a decade is a short period of time, and it isn't getting any cooler. The trend is clearly upwards, and even if the increase is only incremental year-on-year, a 2C increase by 2050 could be devastating to agriculture and sensitive environments.
no increase in temp for the first 12 years out of 50, but somehow we are going to get 2C warming in the next 38? that sort of spike on a temp graph would look ridiculous.
There is unequivocal evidence that Earths lower atmosphere, ocean, and land surface are warming; sea level is rising; and snow cover, mountain glaciers, and Arctic sea ice are shrinking.
The numbers are in: 2012, the year of a surreal March heat wave, a severe drought in the Corn Belt and a huge storm that caused broad devastation in the Middle Atlantic States, turns out to have been the hottest year ever recorded in the contiguous United States.
Si Modo -
I understand the difference perfectly well, obviously. What we are talking about here are conclusions from scientific research.
Si Modo -
You have dismissed these as "opinions".
Si Modo -
Well, you could answer the question, for one.
For the third time now - given you will not accept research nor the position of scientific bodies, nor the conclusions of scientists as evidence - what WILL you accept?
There is hardly lack of evidence of any kind - data, observational material that you can go and check yourelf, field trials....you name it and I'll present it for you so that you can understand what the scientific positions are based on.
Westwall -
So basically you reject ALL science, all research and data, as being opinion.
I wonder why?
The numbers are in: 2012, the year of a surreal March heat wave, a severe drought in the Corn Belt and a huge storm that caused broad devastation in the Middle Atlantic States, turns out to have been the hottest year ever recorded in the contiguous United States.
According to which altered temperature record? NASA? GISS? NOAA? CRU?....which one?
1) Glacial melt - new research from the Andes shows massive loss from glaciers, matching similar research conducted in Alaska. Some glaciers have lost more than 50% of their ice since 1970, and are shedding ice faster than at any time in 300 years. 97% of the world's glaciers are in decline.
Temperature increases. Our records from 1650 might not be the most accurate, but at least since 1900 we have had reasonable ways of ascertaining the temperature. The 10 hottest years in the past 112 years all occur during the past 15 years.
Drought & floods. The patterns of drought & floods in Australia & Spain show a rapidly increasing pattern of severity and frequency. Both Sydney and Australia recorded their hottest temperatures ever last month, and droughts & floods devastate the country now at a frequency unknown in recorded history.
From the annals of The Settled Science, a peer-reviewed paper published today in Water Resources Research shows that flooding over the past 450 years in Germany was highest during "colder periods of the Little Ice Age when solar activity was reduced."
A recent paper published in Quaternary Research examines floods in the Mediterranean French Alps over the past 1400 years and finds that extreme precipitation and flooding were less common and less extreme during warm periods compared to cold periods.
A recent paper published in the Journal of Geographical Sciences concludes that "the extraordinary floods recorded in the middle reaches of the Jinghe River [China] were linked to the global climatic events," which were all global cooling events. Thus, yet another study reveals the fact that it is global cooling that leads to more frequent and extreme flooding, rather than the global warming climate alarmists claim is the culprit.
A paper published in Geophysical Research Letters finds Midwest US droughts were less frequent and less extreme during the 20th century in comparison to the past 3100 years.
A peer-reviewed paper published online today in the journal Geophysical Research Letters shows that drought of Western North America was considerably worse during the Medieval Warming Period than at the end of the 20th century. The paper also shows much more variation and extremes in the drought record over the past 5200 years than since the advent of industrialization and rising CO2 levels in the latter 20th century.
Rising sea levels. Between 1870 and 2004, global average sea levels rose 195 mm (7.7 in). From 1950 to 2009, measurements show an average annual rise in sea level of 1.7 ± 0.3 mm per year, with satellite data showing a rise of 3.3 ± 0.4 mm per year from 1993 to 2009, a faster rate of increase than previously estimated.
A new paper published in Quaternary Science Reviews is the "First synthesis of post-glacial sea level data around Australia in over 25 years," and shows that sea levels around Australia were from about 1 to 2.5 meters higher than the present 7000 years ago during the Holocene Thermal Maximum [which lasted 4000 years between 9000 to 5000 years ago].
A new paper published in Geophysical Research Letters finds that much of the observed variation in Pacific Ocean sea levels is explained by natural ocean oscillations such as the Pacific Decadal Oscillation [PDO] and El Nino Southern Oscillation [ENSO].
A paper published this week in The Journal of Climate finds the "settled" belief that warming due to 'radiative forcing' from 'greenhouse gases' is causing the seas to rise is not supported by observational data
Between 1751 and 1994 surface ocean pH is estimated to have decreased from approximately 8.25 to 8.14, representing an increase of almost 30% in H+ ion concentration in the world's oceans. I agree that the 1751 figure might not be 100% reliable, but modern measurements do show changing pH.
I could go on, but I think you get the point.
The numbers are in: 2012, the year of a surreal March heat wave, a severe drought in the Corn Belt and a huge storm that caused broad devastation in the Middle Atlantic States, turns out to have been the hottest year ever recorded in the contiguous United States.
According to which altered temperature record? NASA? GISS? NOAA? CRU?....which one?
Speakibg of not very adult!!!
As has been explained three or four times now - if you do not like one soirce, simply choose another. It is not difficult.
SSDD -
If you read back through the thread, you will se that Westwall is completely comfortavöe with rejecting any form of research - even those he purports to accept.
For instance, Westwll tells us that we should believe the Innuit in their reports on polar bear numbers. On finding that the Innuit also report climate change in ther region, he decided they should be ignored.
Likewise, he says we should accept tidal gauges on ocean levels. On finding that tigal gauges have and do record rising ocean levels, he decided to instead ignore them.
This is just churlish and childish. It isn't science, and it is not particularly adult. I suggest you acknowledge tht yourself before moving on.
Ian -
That is a quote from the American Meterological Society. Do get in touch with them and explain the details, as they may not understand this issue as well as you do.
The numbers are in: 2012, the year of a surreal March heat wave, a severe drought in the Corn Belt and a huge storm that caused broad devastation in the Middle Atlantic States, turns out to have been the hottest year ever recorded in the contiguous United States.
According to which altered temperature record? NASA? GISS? NOAA? CRU?....which one?
Speakibg of not very adult!!!
As has been explained three or four times now - if you do not like one soirce, simply choose another. It is not difficult.
The problem with the vast majority of warmist "research" is that it is the output of computer models based on a set of physics that don't even remotely resemble earth. When actual field work is done, which is the bulk of skeptical research, we find that the observations simply do not match up with the models.
l.
Ian -
That is a quote from the American Meterological Society. Do get in touch with them and explain the details, as they may not understand this issue as well as you do.
only an alarmist would admit to plagiarism rather than just admit there is evidence to contradict his statement. strange set of ethics you have there.
