The Political Spectrum

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Self-identified Moderates, according to exit polls, voted as follows:

2004 - for Kerry by 9 points
2008 - for Obama by 20 points
2012 - for Obama by 15 points
2016 - for Clinton by 10 points

conclusion, Moderates are left of center and vote Democrat by wide margins.

Conclusion I draw is you believe everything you read.

Quite comical

If you believe nothing you read, where do you get your information?

So you admit to being a sucker lol

Exit polls are notoriously inaccurate

 

[NYcarbineer]

Self-identified Moderates, according to exit polls, voted as follows:

2004 - for Kerry by 9 points
2008 - for Obama by 20 points
2012 - for Obama by 15 points
2016 - for Clinton by 10 points

conclusion, Moderates are left of center and vote Democrat by wide margins.

correction: Clinton won Moderates by 12 points. If you look at that data it almost exactly reflects what the vote as a whole will be.

Democrats need to win the moderates by more than 10 pts to win the presidential election.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Self-identified Moderates, according to exit polls, voted as follows:

2004 - for Kerry by 9 points
2008 - for Obama by 20 points
2012 - for Obama by 15 points
2016 - for Clinton by 10 points

conclusion, Moderates are left of center and vote Democrat by wide margins.

Conclusion I draw is you believe everything you read.

Quite comical

If you believe nothing you read, where do you get your information?

So you admit to being a sucker lol

Exit polls are notoriously inaccurate

And how would you know how inaccurate they are if you don't have the facts to compare them to?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

What's the 'moderate' position on abortion?

There isn't one. It's either right or wrong. Being indifferent is not a position.

Roe v. Wade is a moderate position. It establishes abortion as a right in some cases, but allows it to be outlawed in others.

Lol

No

An unborn child is either a valued life or it isn't. There isn't a magical day when it's humanity is installed.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Self-identified Moderates, according to exit polls, voted as follows:

2004 - for Kerry by 9 points
2008 - for Obama by 20 points
2012 - for Obama by 15 points
2016 - for Clinton by 10 points

conclusion, Moderates are left of center and vote Democrat by wide margins.

Conclusion I draw is you believe everything you read.

Quite comical

If you believe nothing you read, where do you get your information?

So you admit to being a sucker lol

Exit polls are notoriously inaccurate

And how would you know how inaccurate they are if you don't have the facts to compare them to?

Election RESULTS are facts dumbass. We have had plenty of elections that were called because of exit polls only to find those exit polls were WRONG.

You're such a gullible tool lol

 

[Mac1958]

Oh, amen brother...
.

Moderates are just libtardz or conservatives who can't / won't commit.

That is predicated on the FALSE assumption that a moderate does not take a position. That is not necessarily true at all.

Many moderates take positions - they just do not take them based on what the party masters demand.

Like Carbiner said...
"What is the moderate position on abortion?"

I would ask for the "official" moderate position but we all know that doesn't exist on anything.

Of course it does not - moderates are not party dogmatic people like you want to pigeon hole them into. Your statement assumes that they require party talking heads to tell them what their position is. Like I already stated, a moderate is someone that decides for THEMSELVES what position to take rather than going along with the party masters who tell them what position they should be taking. Because of that, the term 'moderate' can apply to a person that is pro choice but small government or someone that is pro life but socialistic. Both those are hard positions but neither fits into a party mold.

For any "moderate" position to prevail on ANY political issue, there has to be enough people with the same mindset pushing the issue. Because of the way our government works. . . . that means those people need elected representatives to push that idea and to turn that position into a political or legal reality.

So, I ask again... "what is the official moderate position on abortion?"

What is the typical moderates end goal, when it comes to abortion?

If your answer is "each person decides on their own?"

Thanks for the laugh.

I can't think of a moderate position on abortion.

Can you think of any other issues on which a person could not bend, on which there is no middle ground, or areas of agreement?
.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What's the 'moderate' position on abortion?

There isn't one. It's either right or wrong. Being indifferent is not a position.

Roe v. Wade is a moderate position. It establishes abortion as a right in some cases, but allows it to be outlawed in others.

Lol

No

An unborn child is either a valued life or it isn't. There isn't a magical day when it's humanity is installed.

Then someone who believes that should believe that an abortion is capital murder, and should be punished accordingly.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

What's the 'moderate' position on abortion?

There isn't one. It's either right or wrong. Being indifferent is not a position.

Roe v. Wade is a moderate position. It establishes abortion as a right in some cases, but allows it to be outlawed in others.

Lol

No

An unborn child is either a valued life or it isn't. There isn't a magical day when it's humanity is installed.

Then someone who believes that should believe that an abortion is capital murder, and should be punished accordingly.

And?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Self-identified Moderates, according to exit polls, voted as follows:

2004 - for Kerry by 9 points
2008 - for Obama by 20 points
2012 - for Obama by 15 points
2016 - for Clinton by 10 points

conclusion, Moderates are left of center and vote Democrat by wide margins.

Conclusion I draw is you believe everything you read.

Quite comical

If you believe nothing you read, where do you get your information?

So you admit to being a sucker lol

Exit polls are notoriously inaccurate

And how would you know how inaccurate they are if you don't have the facts to compare them to?

Election RESULTS are facts dumbass. We have had plenty of elections that were called because of exit polls only to find those exit polls were WRONG.

You're such a gullible tool lol

So of the thousands of times they have asked people to say whether they are liberal moderate or conservative,

and about 20% say they're liberal 45% say moderate, and 35% say conservative,

that number is off how?

 

[NYcarbineer]

What's the 'moderate' position on abortion?

There isn't one. It's either right or wrong. Being indifferent is not a position.

Roe v. Wade is a moderate position. It establishes abortion as a right in some cases, but allows it to be outlawed in others.

Lol

No

An unborn child is either a valued life or it isn't. There isn't a magical day when it's humanity is installed.

Then someone who believes that should believe that an abortion is capital murder, and should be punished accordingly.

And?

And what % of anti-abortionists believe that?

 

[yiostheoy]

Oh, amen brother...
.

This is pretty much how I also see it.

 

[Votto]

I'd say that any government that has a $20 trillion plus debt and runs trillion dollar deficits every year with unrestricted immigration despite laws on the books to the contrary is a radically off center government.

The radicals have been in charge for some time yet "moderates" keep voting for them.

Perhaps this means we need more radicals to oppose them instead

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

There isn't one. It's either right or wrong. Being indifferent is not a position.

Roe v. Wade is a moderate position. It establishes abortion as a right in some cases, but allows it to be outlawed in others.

Lol

No

An unborn child is either a valued life or it isn't. There isn't a magical day when it's humanity is installed.

Then someone who believes that should believe that an abortion is capital murder, and should be punished accordingly.

And?

And what % of anti-abortionists believe that?

Don't know and don't care.

 

[Chuz Life]

Moderates are just libtardz or conservatives who can't / won't commit.

That is predicated on the FALSE assumption that a moderate does not take a position. That is not necessarily true at all.

Many moderates take positions - they just do not take them based on what the party masters demand.

Like Carbiner said...
"What is the moderate position on abortion?"

I would ask for the "official" moderate position but we all know that doesn't exist on anything.

Of course it does not - moderates are not party dogmatic people like you want to pigeon hole them into. Your statement assumes that they require party talking heads to tell them what their position is. Like I already stated, a moderate is someone that decides for THEMSELVES what position to take rather than going along with the party masters who tell them what position they should be taking. Because of that, the term 'moderate' can apply to a person that is pro choice but small government or someone that is pro life but socialistic. Both those are hard positions but neither fits into a party mold.

For any "moderate" position to prevail on ANY political issue, there has to be enough people with the same mindset pushing the issue. Because of the way our government works. . . . that means those people need elected representatives to push that idea and to turn that position into a political or legal reality.

So, I ask again... "what is the official moderate position on abortion?"

What is the typical moderates end goal, when it comes to abortion?

If your answer is "each person decides on their own?"

Thanks for the laugh.

I can't think of a moderate position on abortion.

Can you think of any other issues on which a person could not bend, on which there is no middle ground, or areas of agreement?
.

No.

Can you name anything in existing law that can not be viewed as middle ground or a as compromise that SHOULD be?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Roe v. Wade is a moderate position. It establishes abortion as a right in some cases, but allows it to be outlawed in others.

Lol

No

An unborn child is either a valued life or it isn't. There isn't a magical day when it's humanity is installed.

Then someone who believes that should believe that an abortion is capital murder, and should be punished accordingly.

And?

And what % of anti-abortionists believe that?

Don't know and don't care.

You debate like my ex-wife.

 

[Mac1958]

That is predicated on the FALSE assumption that a moderate does not take a position. That is not necessarily true at all.

Many moderates take positions - they just do not take them based on what the party masters demand.

Like Carbiner said...
"What is the moderate position on abortion?"

I would ask for the "official" moderate position but we all know that doesn't exist on anything.

Of course it does not - moderates are not party dogmatic people like you want to pigeon hole them into. Your statement assumes that they require party talking heads to tell them what their position is. Like I already stated, a moderate is someone that decides for THEMSELVES what position to take rather than going along with the party masters who tell them what position they should be taking. Because of that, the term 'moderate' can apply to a person that is pro choice but small government or someone that is pro life but socialistic. Both those are hard positions but neither fits into a party mold.

For any "moderate" position to prevail on ANY political issue, there has to be enough people with the same mindset pushing the issue. Because of the way our government works. . . . that means those people need elected representatives to push that idea and to turn that position into a political or legal reality.

So, I ask again... "what is the official moderate position on abortion?"

What is the typical moderates end goal, when it comes to abortion?

If your answer is "each person decides on their own?"

Thanks for the laugh.

I can't think of a moderate position on abortion.

Can you think of any other issues on which a person could not bend, on which there is no middle ground, or areas of agreement?
.

No.

Can you name anything in existing law that can not be viewed as middle ground or a as compromise that SHOULD be?

Off the top of my head, no. What do you have in mind?
.

 

[Chuz Life]

Like Carbiner said...
"What is the moderate position on abortion?"

I would ask for the "official" moderate position but we all know that doesn't exist on anything.

Of course it does not - moderates are not party dogmatic people like you want to pigeon hole them into. Your statement assumes that they require party talking heads to tell them what their position is. Like I already stated, a moderate is someone that decides for THEMSELVES what position to take rather than going along with the party masters who tell them what position they should be taking. Because of that, the term 'moderate' can apply to a person that is pro choice but small government or someone that is pro life but socialistic. Both those are hard positions but neither fits into a party mold.

For any "moderate" position to prevail on ANY political issue, there has to be enough people with the same mindset pushing the issue. Because of the way our government works. . . . that means those people need elected representatives to push that idea and to turn that position into a political or legal reality.

So, I ask again... "what is the official moderate position on abortion?"

What is the typical moderates end goal, when it comes to abortion?

If your answer is "each person decides on their own?"

Thanks for the laugh.

I can't think of a moderate position on abortion.

Can you think of any other issues on which a person could not bend, on which there is no middle ground, or areas of agreement?
.

No.

Can you name anything in existing law that can not be viewed as middle ground or a as compromise that SHOULD be?

Off the top of my head, no. What do you have in mind?
.

My point is that so called "moderates" don't seem to comprehend nor appreciate how moderate our existing parties are.... when you look at the laws they pass and compromises that were made to get it passed.

 

[Mac1958]

Of course it does not - moderates are not party dogmatic people like you want to pigeon hole them into. Your statement assumes that they require party talking heads to tell them what their position is. Like I already stated, a moderate is someone that decides for THEMSELVES what position to take rather than going along with the party masters who tell them what position they should be taking. Because of that, the term 'moderate' can apply to a person that is pro choice but small government or someone that is pro life but socialistic. Both those are hard positions but neither fits into a party mold.

For any "moderate" position to prevail on ANY political issue, there has to be enough people with the same mindset pushing the issue. Because of the way our government works. . . . that means those people need elected representatives to push that idea and to turn that position into a political or legal reality.

So, I ask again... "what is the official moderate position on abortion?"

What is the typical moderates end goal, when it comes to abortion?

If your answer is "each person decides on their own?"

Thanks for the laugh.

I can't think of a moderate position on abortion.

Can you think of any other issues on which a person could not bend, on which there is no middle ground, or areas of agreement?
.

No.

Can you name anything in existing law that can not be viewed as middle ground or a as compromise that SHOULD be?

Off the top of my head, no. What do you have in mind?
.

My point is that so called "moderates" don't seem to comprehend nor appreciate how moderate our existing parties are.... when you look at the laws they pass and compromises that were made to get it passed.

Well, sure. Laws that are the result of cooperation are more solid and will last longer. Those that are crammed through (like the ACA) are far less likely to last.

What concerns those of us who don't belong to either "end" is that, when cooperation dies as it has, we'll end up with wild swings back and forth. I have no more interest in this country going too far Left than with it going too far Right. At this moment, that's where we're headed: Back and forth. Sensible, pragmatic cooperation is much better.
.

 

[my2¢]

What's the 'moderate' position on abortion?

I'd say the GOP plays it in moderate fashion by leaving it up to the states and not calling for a Constitutional ban. Thus it will still be available within the country, though travel to another state may be necessary for a legal procedure.

 

[Chuz Life]

For any "moderate" position to prevail on ANY political issue, there has to be enough people with the same mindset pushing the issue. Because of the way our government works. . . . that means those people need elected representatives to push that idea and to turn that position into a political or legal reality.

So, I ask again... "what is the official moderate position on abortion?"

What is the typical moderates end goal, when it comes to abortion?

If your answer is "each person decides on their own?"

Thanks for the laugh.

I can't think of a moderate position on abortion.

Can you think of any other issues on which a person could not bend, on which there is no middle ground, or areas of agreement?
.

No.

Can you name anything in existing law that can not be viewed as middle ground or a as compromise that SHOULD be?

Off the top of my head, no. What do you have in mind?
.

My point is that so called "moderates" don't seem to comprehend nor appreciate how moderate our existing parties are.... when you look at the laws they pass and compromises that were made to get it passed.

Well, sure. Laws that are the result of cooperation are more solid and will last longer. Those that are crammed through (like the ACA) are far less likely to last.

What concerns those of us who don't belong to either "end" is that, when cooperation dies as it has, we'll end up with wild swings back and forth. I have no more interest in this country going too far Left than with it going too far Right. At this moment, that's where we're headed: Back and forth. Sensible, pragmatic cooperation is much better.
.

The thing is about non absolute, moderation, compromises, etc. Is that they are never ending because no one side is as monolithic in their thinking as is being portrayed in some of the comments here. There are internal struggles WITHIN the political parties all the time.

That said.

Years ago, I came up with a compromise on abortion of my own. It's a classic compromise because neither party will go for it. (But it might just move the debate more towards a final resolution)

The compromise is that the left (primarily dimz) have to agree in law.. that a child's life begins at conception and the Right has to agree that all abortions should remain legal.... all the way up to full term birth.