The politics of Laura and George Bush

[rightwinger]

Laura Bush always seemed to be a classy lady. She was very reserved and did not seem comfortable in her role as first lady. That she comes out now, after Bush is no longer president and says she is pro-choice and pro gay marriage is not surprising.
Many political wives put their own feelings aside while their husband is in office and either keep quiet on the issue or make statements of half hearted support. it applies to both parties

 

[California Girl]

What you are saying is Bush LIED about his beliefs at the cost to Americans to get elected by people he did not agree with.


The right has courted the right wing christian nutters to get elected and still had to cheat to win elections.


GREAT

He lied to the American people about war which got Americans killed.

He a liar plain and simple.

What you are saying is that your opinions are exactly the same as those of your significant other. One or the other of you is incapable of individual thought. Interesting - maybe that's why you're so dumb.

 

[SuMar]

Laura Bush always seemed to be a classy lady. She was very reserved and did not seem comfortable in her role as first lady. That she comes out now, after Bush is no longer president and says she is pro-choice and pro gay marriage is not surprising.
Many political wives put their own feelings aside while their husband is in office and either keep quiet on the issue or make statements of half hearted support. it applies to both parties

I think she was comfortable as her role as first lady. Laura Bush has supported numerous government and private sector efforts to promote reading and education. And she fulfilled her promise to visit Afghanistan, where she promoted a new teacher-training institute for women in Afghanistan.

 

[froggy]

The former first lady has written a book which I look forward to reading where she states that she supports gay marriage and a woman's right to choice.
Now say what you want about W's politics and term at the helm but I respect greatly a married couple that may differ on certain issues and continues to have such a strong relationship as a married couple. Both of them are to be commended and respected for this. I respect the former President even more on this.
Many men sit back and simply dictate to their wives how and what they should think. Clearly, this is not the case with the former President.

As big a liar Dubba is he doesn't know what his belief is.

 

[Cuyo]

I am sorry that you are so invested in your viewpoint you refuse to listen to reason and facts and keep parroting the party line. Too bad.

No, no, believe me, I've looked into it, and the truth is that your an idiot. No, wait, stop - Don't even respond. You're an idiot. The evidence is overwhelming.

Idiot.

Denial. It's not just a river in Egypt.
Congress passes budgets. Check the figures for who was in control of Congress during various periods and get back to me.

Dude... Are you in idiot denial? Dumb people like you have to just learn to trust smart people like me - Don't worry about what you're saying, it's irrelevant because you're an idiot. Just listen to what I'm saying; absorb my words and try not to drool too much.
I must concede that there's a chance that you don't know how dumb you are, but surely you hear at least some of the idiocy that comes out of your mouth and you must have at least an inkling of whats going on here. I've already broken down this ridiculous "Democratic congress causes deficits" nonsense; I suspect you've already forgotten because you're an idiot. Like I said a few posts ago, I'm not doing it again, because you'll just forget again. This is because you're an idiot.

 

[Claudette]

Laura Bush always seemed to be a classy lady. She was very reserved and did not seem comfortable in her role as first lady. That she comes out now, after Bush is no longer president and says she is pro-choice and pro gay marriage is not surprising.
Many political wives put their own feelings aside while their husband is in office and either keep quiet on the issue or make statements of half hearted support. it applies to both parties

I think she was comfortable as her role as first lady. Laura Bush has supported numerous government and private sector efforts to promote reading and education. And she fulfilled her promise to visit Afghanistan, where she promoted a new teacher-training institute for women in Afghanistan.

Laura Bush was and is a class act in my book.

If anyone disagrees with that, well, it is a free country.

I'm sur Laura Bush could give a shit.

 

[Gadawg73]

You mean like blocking any attempt at oversight of Freddie and Fanny by the Bush Administration? Yea, that worked real well.... it not only was it the major cause of the crash that brought down our own banking system.... but the whole fucking planet too. Really.... thanks for that Dems. The world loves you guys.

You are either naive beyond comprehension, stupid beyond comprehension or one of the most dishonest members of the board. I struggle to work out which label fits because you seem to fit all three.... but that can't be true.... no one can be that much of a fool.







Or can they?

You are close but the major cause of the crash was not Fannie and Freddie. Not by a long shot. Maybe 10% if that. Commercial real estate and land speculation, for future expansion and, in the housing markets you speak of, bundled mortgages with faulty Moodys AAA ratings.
That had nothing to do with Fannie and Freddie at all.

Yea, yea, yea.... I know about, and recognize, the input of both.... but.... FACT remains... Freddie and Fannie and their sub prime mortgages inflicted HUGE damage on the world's banking system.

And for THAT... the Democrats carry the can.

So the Wall Street brokers that used derivative formulas to bundle those sub prime loans for sale to pension funds world wide were forced to do so by Democrats?
In Norway, American Democrats forced the Norwegian returement system for Teachers to buy those bundled mortgages?
And in other countries?
Girl, not in a million years.
Wall Street, the mortgage brokers and the banks are to blame, PERIOD.
Gramm, Bliley Leach was a Republican backed bill. Democrats supported it also.
WE ARE TO BLAME. We allowed it to happen.
We vote. When will Americans see the FACT, that we HAVE MET THE ENEMY.
And he is US.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You really do not understand what has been accomplished in the economy by him in one year do you?

Sure we do.
Prolonged the recession by months.
Increased unemployment to near record levels
Increased federal debt to almost unsustainable levels
Destroyed the rule of law in bankruptcy cases with Chrysler and GM
Asserted federal power over private matters like executive pay and hiring and firing.

Wow, quite an accomplishment for someone with zero experience. Color me impressed.

How did he prolong the recession? By cutting taxes and pumping more money into the economy via deficit spending? Because that's what he's done.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The former first lady has written a book which I look forward to reading where she states that she supports gay marriage and a woman's right to choice.

I was telling conservatives 5 years ago that Laura Bush was pro-choice and citing a source to prove it, and oh my did I have to hear the wails of denial.

 

[The Rabbi]

You really do not understand what has been accomplished in the economy by him in one year do you?

Sure we do.
Prolonged the recession by months.
Increased unemployment to near record levels
Increased federal debt to almost unsustainable levels
Destroyed the rule of law in bankruptcy cases with Chrysler and GM
Asserted federal power over private matters like executive pay and hiring and firing.

Wow, quite an accomplishment for someone with zero experience. Color me impressed.

How did he prolong the recession? By cutting taxes and pumping more money into the economy via deficit spending? Because that's what he's done.

He didnt cut taxes. He borrowed huge amounts of money that have been wasted. Even the administration's own numbers don't support that the stimulus did anything.
He introduced lots of uncertainty in hiring workers through Obamacare and now cap n tax. He introduced uncertainty in the rule of law by actions with GM, Chrysler, and executive pay.
All of that has business leaders sittig back waiting for the dust to settle before they make any decisions.

 

[Gadawg73]

Laura Bush always seemed to be a classy lady. She was very reserved and did not seem comfortable in her role as first lady. That she comes out now, after Bush is no longer president and says she is pro-choice and pro gay marriage is not surprising.
Many political wives put their own feelings aside while their husband is in office and either keep quiet on the issue or make statements of half hearted support. it applies to both parties

Well said.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Its the ideas that have failed not just your politicains.

Democrats have helped by selling out to the big money interests.

The ideas of the democratic party have worked.

The ideas of teh republican party have failed Epicly

You mean like blocking any attempt at oversight of Freddie and Fanny by the Bush Administration? Yea, that worked real well.... it not only was it the major cause of the crash that brought down our own banking system.... but the whole fucking planet too. Really.... thanks for that Dems. The world loves you guys.

You are either naive beyond comprehension, stupid beyond comprehension or one of the most dishonest members of the board. I struggle to work out which label fits because you seem to fit all three.... but that can't be true.... no one can be that much of a fool.







Or can they?

You are close but the major cause of the crash was not Fannie and Freddie. Not by a long shot. Maybe 10% if that. Commercial real estate and land speculation, for future expansion and, in the housing markets you speak of, bundled mortgages with faulty Moodys AAA ratings.

.....And, the #1 Reason??

Phil Gramm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Mr. Shaman]

Bush is an OK guy, but a horrible president.

Obama is shaping up to be the same IMO.

First part I agree with. Second part, I do not agree with. Just because you disagree with what President Obama is doing does not mean he is not a great president - sorry to be the one to have to break the news.

You're right. Disagreement alot doesn't make him a horrible President.

His arrogance, lack of leadership abilities, and ability to pick the policies that make us worse as a nation are going to make him a bad President.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww......

STILL upset about the Health Care VICTORY??!!!!!!

 

[Wry Catcher]

Then please explain the chart I provided you?

Explain that we are in the most anemic recovery in history, despite record federal intervention? Explain that the Eurozone is in deep trouble because of years pursuing the same policies Obama is pursuing? Explain that debt is enormous and unsustainable?
Which part do you need explained to you?

Taxes were cut at a time we engaged in a war of choice in Iraq and federal government expanded when the Dept. of Homeland Security was created. Hundreds of billions of dollars were spent on HS based on politics and not need. Our ports and borders remain vulernable, as do our chemical plants, water supplies, pipe lines and rails.
The public debt needs to be brought under control, the interest alone will bring us down unless something is done to now. I suggest a 1% surtax paid by all tax payers on the gross income, including business and industry.
Of course those on the right still believe cutting taxes is the only sound fiscal policy (and reality will never convince them otherwise).

 

[NYcarbineer]

[He didnt cut taxes.

Why do you people do that? I mean, make statements that are simply false and easily proven false. You do this kind of thing all the time? Do you think it's cute to make us prove you wrong?



Tax cuts for individuals
Total: $237 billion

$116 billion: New payroll tax credit of $400 per worker and $800 per couple in 2009 and 2010. Phaseout begins at $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 for joint filers.[27]
$70 billion: Alternative minimum tax: a one year increase in AMT floor to $70,950 for joint filers for 2009.[27]
$15 billion: Expansion of child tax credit: A $1,000 credit to more families (even those that do not make enough money to pay income taxes).
$14 billion: Expanded college credit to provide a $2,500 expanded tax credit for college tuition and related expenses for 2009 and 2010. The credit is phased out for couples making more than $160,000.
$6.6 billion: Homebuyer credit: $8,000 refundable credit for all homes bought between 1/1/2009 and 12/1/2009 and repayment provision repealed for homes purchased in 2009 and held more than three years. This only applies to first-time homebuyers.[39]
$4.7 billion: Excluding from taxation the first $2,400 a person receives in unemployment compensation benefits in 2009.
$4.7 billion: Expanded earned income tax credit to increase the earned income tax credit — which provides money to low income workers — for families with at least three children.
$4.3 billion: Home energy credit to provide an expanded credit to homeowners who make their homes more energy-efficient in 2009 and 2010. Homeowners could recoup 30 percent of the cost up to $1,500 of numerous projects, such as installing energy-efficient windows, doors, furnaces and air conditioners.
$1.7 billion: for deduction of sales tax from car purchases, not interest payments phased out for incomes above $250,000.
[edit] Tax cuts for companies
Total: $51 billion

$15 billion: Allowing companies to use current losses to offset profits made in the previous five years, instead of two, making them eligible for tax refunds.
$13 billion: to extend tax credits for renewable energy production (until 2014).
$11 billion: Government contractors: Repeal a law that takes effect in 2012, requiring government agencies to withhold three percent of payments to contractors to help ensure they pay their tax bills. Repealing the law would cost $11 billion over 10 years, in part because the government could not earn interest by holding the money throughout the year.
$7 billion: Repeal bank credit: Repeal a Treasury provision that allowed firms that buy money-losing banks to use more of the losses as tax credits to offset the profits of the merged banks for tax purposes. The change would increase taxes on the merged banks by $7 billion over 10 years.
$5 billion: Bonus depreciation which extends a provision allowing businesses buying equipment such as computers to speed up its depreciation through 2009.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You mean like blocking any attempt at oversight of Freddie and Fanny by the Bush Administration? Yea, that worked real well.... it not only was it the major cause of the crash that brought down our own banking system.... but the whole fucking planet too. Really.... thanks for that Dems. The world loves you guys.

You are either naive beyond comprehension, stupid beyond comprehension or one of the most dishonest members of the board. I struggle to work out which label fits because you seem to fit all three.... but that can't be true.... no one can be that much of a fool.







Or can they?

You are close but the major cause of the crash was not Fannie and Freddie. Not by a long shot. Maybe 10% if that. Commercial real estate and land speculation, for future expansion and, in the housing markets you speak of, bundled mortgages with faulty Moodys AAA ratings.
That had nothing to do with Fannie and Freddie at all.

Yea, yea, yea.... I know about, and recognize, the input of both.... but.... FACT remains... Freddie and Fannie and their sub prime mortgages inflicted HUGE damage on the world's banking system.

And for THAT... the Democrats carry the can.

This is one of those myths that never die. But if you insist on blaming it on Fannie and Freddie, I suggest you investigate the legislation that was introduced by Jon Corzine, DEMOCRATIC senator, that died in the Republican controlled committee.

 

[The Rabbi]

[He didnt cut taxes.

Why do you people do that? I mean, make statements that are simply false and easily proven false. You do this kind of thing all the time? Do you think it's cute to make us prove you wrong?



Tax cuts for individuals
Total: $237 billion

$116 billion: New payroll tax credit of $400 per worker and $800 per couple in 2009 and 2010. Phaseout begins at $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 for joint filers.[27]
$70 billion: Alternative minimum tax: a one year increase in AMT floor to $70,950 for joint filers for 2009.[27]
$15 billion: Expansion of child tax credit: A $1,000 credit to more families (even those that do not make enough money to pay income taxes).
$14 billion: Expanded college credit to provide a $2,500 expanded tax credit for college tuition and related expenses for 2009 and 2010. The credit is phased out for couples making more than $160,000.
$6.6 billion: Homebuyer credit: $8,000 refundable credit for all homes bought between 1/1/2009 and 12/1/2009 and repayment provision repealed for homes purchased in 2009 and held more than three years. This only applies to first-time homebuyers.[39]
$4.7 billion: Excluding from taxation the first $2,400 a person receives in unemployment compensation benefits in 2009.
$4.7 billion: Expanded earned income tax credit to increase the earned income tax credit — which provides money to low income workers — for families with at least three children.
$4.3 billion: Home energy credit to provide an expanded credit to homeowners who make their homes more energy-efficient in 2009 and 2010. Homeowners could recoup 30 percent of the cost up to $1,500 of numerous projects, such as installing energy-efficient windows, doors, furnaces and air conditioners.
$1.7 billion: for deduction of sales tax from car purchases, not interest payments phased out for incomes above $250,000.
[edit] Tax cuts for companies
Total: $51 billion

$15 billion: Allowing companies to use current losses to offset profits made in the previous five years, instead of two, making them eligible for tax refunds.
$13 billion: to extend tax credits for renewable energy production (until 2014).
$11 billion: Government contractors: Repeal a law that takes effect in 2012, requiring government agencies to withhold three percent of payments to contractors to help ensure they pay their tax bills. Repealing the law would cost $11 billion over 10 years, in part because the government could not earn interest by holding the money throughout the year.
$7 billion: Repeal bank credit: Repeal a Treasury provision that allowed firms that buy money-losing banks to use more of the losses as tax credits to offset the profits of the merged banks for tax purposes. The change would increase taxes on the merged banks by $7 billion over 10 years.
$5 billion: Bonus depreciation which extends a provision allowing businesses buying equipment such as computers to speed up its depreciation through 2009.

Those are called giveaways, not tax cuts. Real tax cuts affect productive behavior at the margin. None of what you have cited does that.

 

[The Rabbi]

Then please explain the chart I provided you?

Explain that we are in the most anemic recovery in history, despite record federal intervention? Explain that the Eurozone is in deep trouble because of years pursuing the same policies Obama is pursuing? Explain that debt is enormous and unsustainable?
Which part do you need explained to you?

Taxes were cut at a time we engaged in a war of choice in Iraq and federal government expanded when the Dept. of Homeland Security was created. Hundreds of billions of dollars were spent on HS based on politics and not need. Our ports and borders remain vulernable, as do our chemical plants, water supplies, pipe lines and rails.
The public debt needs to be brought under control, the interest alone will bring us down unless something is done to now. I suggest a 1% surtax paid by all tax payers on the gross income, including business and industry.
Of course those on the right still believe cutting taxes is the only sound fiscal policy (and reality will never convince them otherwise).

But I thought Obama came into pledging to reverse the failed policies of George W Bush??

 

[rightwinger]

[He didnt cut taxes.

Why do you people do that? I mean, make statements that are simply false and easily proven false. You do this kind of thing all the time? Do you think it's cute to make us prove you wrong?



Tax cuts for individuals
Total: $237 billion

$116 billion: New payroll tax credit of $400 per worker and $800 per couple in 2009 and 2010. Phaseout begins at $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 for joint filers.[27]
$70 billion: Alternative minimum tax: a one year increase in AMT floor to $70,950 for joint filers for 2009.[27]
$15 billion: Expansion of child tax credit: A $1,000 credit to more families (even those that do not make enough money to pay income taxes).
$14 billion: Expanded college credit to provide a $2,500 expanded tax credit for college tuition and related expenses for 2009 and 2010. The credit is phased out for couples making more than $160,000.
$6.6 billion: Homebuyer credit: $8,000 refundable credit for all homes bought between 1/1/2009 and 12/1/2009 and repayment provision repealed for homes purchased in 2009 and held more than three years. This only applies to first-time homebuyers.[39]
$4.7 billion: Excluding from taxation the first $2,400 a person receives in unemployment compensation benefits in 2009.
$4.7 billion: Expanded earned income tax credit to increase the earned income tax credit — which provides money to low income workers — for families with at least three children.
$4.3 billion: Home energy credit to provide an expanded credit to homeowners who make their homes more energy-efficient in 2009 and 2010. Homeowners could recoup 30 percent of the cost up to $1,500 of numerous projects, such as installing energy-efficient windows, doors, furnaces and air conditioners.
$1.7 billion: for deduction of sales tax from car purchases, not interest payments phased out for incomes above $250,000.
[edit] Tax cuts for companies
Total: $51 billion

$15 billion: Allowing companies to use current losses to offset profits made in the previous five years, instead of two, making them eligible for tax refunds.
$13 billion: to extend tax credits for renewable energy production (until 2014).
$11 billion: Government contractors: Repeal a law that takes effect in 2012, requiring government agencies to withhold three percent of payments to contractors to help ensure they pay their tax bills. Repealing the law would cost $11 billion over 10 years, in part because the government could not earn interest by holding the money throughout the year.
$7 billion: Repeal bank credit: Repeal a Treasury provision that allowed firms that buy money-losing banks to use more of the losses as tax credits to offset the profits of the merged banks for tax purposes. The change would increase taxes on the merged banks by $7 billion over 10 years.
$5 billion: Bonus depreciation which extends a provision allowing businesses buying equipment such as computers to speed up its depreciation through 2009.

Those are called giveaways, not tax cuts. Real tax cuts affect productive behavior at the margin. None of what you have cited does that.

What the hell is wrong with you NYcarbineer??

Don't you realize that tax cuts given to working families are "Giveaways"????

Only tax cuts to the superwealthy trickle down to help the economy

 

[NYcarbineer]

[He didnt cut taxes.

Why do you people do that? I mean, make statements that are simply false and easily proven false. You do this kind of thing all the time? Do you think it's cute to make us prove you wrong?



Tax cuts for individuals
Total: $237 billion

$116 billion: New payroll tax credit of $400 per worker and $800 per couple in 2009 and 2010. Phaseout begins at $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 for joint filers.[27]
$70 billion: Alternative minimum tax: a one year increase in AMT floor to $70,950 for joint filers for 2009.[27]
$15 billion: Expansion of child tax credit: A $1,000 credit to more families (even those that do not make enough money to pay income taxes).
$14 billion: Expanded college credit to provide a $2,500 expanded tax credit for college tuition and related expenses for 2009 and 2010. The credit is phased out for couples making more than $160,000.
$6.6 billion: Homebuyer credit: $8,000 refundable credit for all homes bought between 1/1/2009 and 12/1/2009 and repayment provision repealed for homes purchased in 2009 and held more than three years. This only applies to first-time homebuyers.[39]
$4.7 billion: Excluding from taxation the first $2,400 a person receives in unemployment compensation benefits in 2009.
$4.7 billion: Expanded earned income tax credit to increase the earned income tax credit — which provides money to low income workers — for families with at least three children.
$4.3 billion: Home energy credit to provide an expanded credit to homeowners who make their homes more energy-efficient in 2009 and 2010. Homeowners could recoup 30 percent of the cost up to $1,500 of numerous projects, such as installing energy-efficient windows, doors, furnaces and air conditioners.
$1.7 billion: for deduction of sales tax from car purchases, not interest payments phased out for incomes above $250,000.
[edit] Tax cuts for companies
Total: $51 billion

$15 billion: Allowing companies to use current losses to offset profits made in the previous five years, instead of two, making them eligible for tax refunds.
$13 billion: to extend tax credits for renewable energy production (until 2014).
$11 billion: Government contractors: Repeal a law that takes effect in 2012, requiring government agencies to withhold three percent of payments to contractors to help ensure they pay their tax bills. Repealing the law would cost $11 billion over 10 years, in part because the government could not earn interest by holding the money throughout the year.
$7 billion: Repeal bank credit: Repeal a Treasury provision that allowed firms that buy money-losing banks to use more of the losses as tax credits to offset the profits of the merged banks for tax purposes. The change would increase taxes on the merged banks by $7 billion over 10 years.
$5 billion: Bonus depreciation which extends a provision allowing businesses buying equipment such as computers to speed up its depreciation through 2009.

Those are called giveaways, not tax cuts. Real tax cuts affect productive behavior at the margin. None of what you have cited does that.

Please stop.