The Problem with Socialism

[Fenton Lum]

What you know isn't capitalism. Anyone who does doesn't think it doesn't have problems.

Right, I need some dimwit on the internet to bring me up to speed. I'll stick with reality.

You need to learn capitalism, good and bad.

You need to quit being an idiot. Public ed has brainwashed the kids these days into thinking capitalism is something evil so you can live your puny lives and leech off of others.

What they are taught is that those who believe capitalism is the answer to everything, don't know capitalism at all.

No one says capitalism to everything. However, left wingers do claim socialism is the answer to everything.

Nah, that's just what it aounds like to you, blaspheme.

 

[Rustic]

When everything is either extreme right or evil incarnate, discussion cannot take place. What we see in this thread is name calling and cliché spouting. There are nuances between laissez faire, anything goes 'capitalism' and Stalin's bloody hand on the tiller of a totalitarian form of Marxism.
Most people not identifying themselves as the militant right are open to some exchange of ideas. They also realize that modern societies have various formulas for economics and government that have elements of capitalism tempered with provisions for the common good.
If extremists want to make certain young people reject them, they should continue on their present path.

Socialism has been tried in every form, every form has failed long-term.

 

[bripat9643]

Make sure you read the other important work, The Problem with Capitalism.

You haven't seen real capitalism in your lifetime...nor your parents. You haven't the slightest clue of what actual system we are under and have been for 102 plus years...but you are gonna learn the hard way.....you can bank on that.

The paranoia of people like you is not our actual system.

It's not paranoia...it's a fucking fact and if you had any intellectual curiosity? You would look into the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of 1933, gold confiscation and then the IMF taking USA.INC into receivership to provide the alleged "19 essential gubermint services" that they do as a part of a "for profit" venture....it is a fact.

Go back to sleep, lil fella.......the language and terms I use taxes your lack of intellect and why you are not able to grasp the very concepts of which I speak......tis a pity....

Socialism vs. capitalism: Which is the moral system?

What's moral about paying people as little as possible, if you can get away with it?

It's called a "voluntary transaction." That's what makes it moral: the absence of compulsion. What's moral about compelling people to pay prices they don't want to pay?

What was moral about using child labor, even chaining them to the machines they worked on?

Children were never chained to machines, you lying douche bag.

Child labor existed for thousands of years prior to capitalism. Capitalism is what made it possible to end child labor. Prior to that, children would have starved if they didn't work.

 

[bripat9643]

Right, I need some dimwit on the internet to bring me up to speed. I'll stick with reality.

You need to learn capitalism, good and bad.

You need to quit being an idiot. Public ed has brainwashed the kids these days into thinking capitalism is something evil so you can live your puny lives and leech off of others.

What they are taught is that those who believe capitalism is the answer to everything, don't know capitalism at all.

No one says capitalism to everything. However, left wingers do claim socialism is the answer to everything.

Nah, that's just what it aounds like to you, blaspheme.

Not at all. Just listen to a speech by Bernie Sanders.

 

[Fenton Lum]

So China is the rest of the world and we're 38th instead of 39th in infant mortality for the most expensive helathcare system on the planet? And you want to cite communist society research? That's the deal?

Condolences on your lack of reading comprehension.

I cited WHO numbers, right? WHO has it's own definition and applies that to their studies?

The WHO doesn't conduct a global statistically significant study, bub. It gathers up data reported by countries using different methodologies.

So you would then put the US not 39th, but where correcting for that?

I have no idea as the global data is not consistently and reliably collected. It certainly isn't a low as 39 the politically motivated WHO claims.

Still, all I was saying was other societies do healthcare much better than we do and at far less cost. If we could ever get off this "ism" shit we might be able to learn a thing or two, tweak it into something that would benefit our society. But as you see, we can't even consider it here. Wonder who that benefits. Average working folk? I think not, that's all I'm saying. As for politically motivated, do you really think nothing you've bought into is poltically motivated? Come on, I know yo're brigher than that. Cheers.

 

[Rustic]

Socialism is deadly to any sort of prosperity, except the greedy kind.

God I'm glad we're safe frome greed here.

All the flaws in the American system are do to socialism, exclusively...

But of course. This is like arguing over religion for some of you. You are simply belivers, so you don't need to think.

I've lived under a socialist society, have you?

Lived and worked in Europe, yeah. Blended socialist/capitalist society like america is.

Well, I've lived in a total government controlled social society till I was 17. It's called Indian reservation, it is, Was and always will be a total shit hole because of socialism.

 

[bripat9643]

The problem is never in history has it ever worked and for some reason idiots keep trying it

Public education has never worked?

It has always been a grossly inferior product compared to private education.

 

[Fenton Lum]

You haven't seen real capitalism in your lifetime...nor your parents. You haven't the slightest clue of what actual system we are under and have been for 102 plus years...but you are gonna learn the hard way.....you can bank on that.

The paranoia of people like you is not our actual system.

It's not paranoia...it's a fucking fact and if you had any intellectual curiosity? You would look into the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of 1933, gold confiscation and then the IMF taking USA.INC into receivership to provide the alleged "19 essential gubermint services" that they do as a part of a "for profit" venture....it is a fact.

Go back to sleep, lil fella.......the language and terms I use taxes your lack of intellect and why you are not able to grasp the very concepts of which I speak......tis a pity....

Socialism vs. capitalism: Which is the moral system?

What's moral about paying people as little as possible, if you can get away with it?

It's called a "voluntary transaction." What's moral about compelling to pay prices they don't want to pay?

What was moral about using child labor, even chaining them to the machines they worked on?

Children were never chained to machines, you lying douche bag.

Child labor existed for thousands of years prior to capitalism. Capitalism is what made it possible to end child labor. Prior to that, children would have starved if they didn't work.

"Capitalism is what made it possible to end child labor."

Not until it was challenged by those it oppressed. Same as power ever worked.

 

[bripat9643]

I've been one for 30 plus years owning my own business. What I do know is a dumb fuck loser when I run across one.

What you know isn't capitalism. Anyone who does doesn't think it doesn't have problems.

Right, I need some dimwit on the internet to bring me up to speed. I'll stick with reality.

Actually you're working very hard to avoid it.

The only problem with socialism as it applies to the american economic system is that we don't want those little people to get the idea that they should get in on it too.

Privatized gains versus socialized losses for the Wall Street bankster class
Internalized profits versus externalized risk and expense for the “job creator” class
Socialism for the aristocracy versus laissez faire capitalism for the masses

This is the current american paradigm.

Smearing and insults is all you have, like I said. Anyone with a backbone can make it in this country. If you can't make it here you can't make it anywhere. Don't blame capitalism for your failures.

I think it's a toss-up, who has made the most consistently ridiculous comments and insulted so many people in such a short space of time....Jack4jill or Fenton Lum.

definitely Jack4jill

 

[bripat9643]

Imagine the gluttonous NFL without team owners leveraging socialism to erect their palaces.

If pro football was actually capitalist, there would be only two teams and it would be played in farmer's field. Only its socialist nature allowed it to become what it is.

Why would there only be two teams and why would it be played in a farmer's field?

 

[bripat9643]

Imagine the gluttonous NFL without team owners leveraging socialism to erect their palaces.

Yes, that is socialism. Your point?

 

[Rustic]

The fucked up thing is, progressives want to force socialism on people that want nothing to do with it... Millions of Americans know socialism can never help them in anyway, that's why they want no part of it.

 

[Jack4jill]

Imagine the gluttonous NFL without team owners leveraging socialism to erect their palaces.

If pro football was actually capitalist, there would be only two teams and it would be played in farmer's field. Only its socialist nature allowed it to become what it is.

Why would there only be two teams and why would it be played in a farmer's field?

Learn how pro football works. It's damn near communism.

 

[Fenton Lum]

God I'm glad we're safe frome greed here.

All the flaws in the American system are do to socialism, exclusively...

But of course. This is like arguing over religion for some of you. You are simply belivers, so you don't need to think.

I've lived under a socialist society, have you?

Lived and worked in Europe, yeah. Blended socialist/capitalist society like america is.

Well, I've lived in a total government controlled social society till I was 17. It's called Indian reservation, it is, Was and always will be a total shit hole because of socialism.

It was a total shithole because capitalists stole their land, genocided them into concentration camps, and refused to allow them their own traditinal ways of earning a living. Intentionally, for their own capitalist vision of "progress". These people were in the way and needed to be subjugated.

 

[bripat9643]

The stupid are easily offended.

"The stupid are easily offended."

As a Leftist then no wonder you Leftists are easily offended by nearly everything....that's what you need those Safe Spaces for to protect you poor little babies from being offended.

I don't do safe spaces. There are no such things.

Well yeah, on accounta they made 'em all gun free zones.

Yes, the gun-free zones....the places that all the lunatics go to when they want to commit the next gun massacre on innocent people....because they know in a gun-free zone NOBODY is going to be able to prevent the massacre because hey guns aren't allowed, thanks to the Leftist bed wetters.

America is alegedly a killng free zone, clearly that hasn't worked either. We should let citizens kill if they know they're in the right. The only way to stop a bad killer is with a good killer.

Gun free zones are the killing zones.

The last I checked, murder is still against the law.

 

[Fenton Lum]

The fucked up thing is, progressives want to force socialism on people that want nothing to do with it... Millions of Americans know socialism can never help them in anyway, that's why they want no part of it.

Yeah, we never go into other countries and force our shit on others.

 

[bripat9643]

Imagine the gluttonous NFL without team owners leveraging socialism to erect their palaces.

If pro football was actually capitalist, there would be only two teams and it would be played in farmer's field. Only its socialist nature allowed it to become what it is.

Why would there only be two teams and why would it be played in a farmer's field?

Learn how pro football works. It's damn near communism.

I'm not denying it. Whoever claimed it was the epitome of capitalism? So what's your point?

 

[Rustic]

All the flaws in the American system are do to socialism, exclusively...

But of course. This is like arguing over religion for some of you. You are simply belivers, so you don't need to think.

I've lived under a socialist society, have you?

Lived and worked in Europe, yeah. Blended socialist/capitalist society like america is.

Well, I've lived in a total government controlled social society till I was 17. It's called Indian reservation, it is, Was and always will be a total shit hole because of socialism.

It was a total shithole because capitalists stole their land, genocided them into concentration camps, and refused to allow them their own traditinal ways of earning a living. Intentionally, for their own capitalist vision of "progress". These people were in the way and needed to be subjugated.

If you knew anything about Indians, you would know we don't think of it as "our" land. Lol

 

[bripat9643]

The fucked up thing is, progressives want to force socialism on people that want nothing to do with it... Millions of Americans know socialism can never help them in anyway, that's why they want no part of it.

Yeah, we never go into othre contrieas and force our shit on others.

Even if true, that's beside the point. What he said is true. You want to force your socialist shit on all of us. How can you deny it?

 

[Fenton Lum]

"The stupid are easily offended."

As a Leftist then no wonder you Leftists are easily offended by nearly everything....that's what you need those Safe Spaces for to protect you poor little babies from being offended.

I don't do safe spaces. There are no such things.

Well yeah, on accounta they made 'em all gun free zones.

Yes, the gun-free zones....the places that all the lunatics go to when they want to commit the next gun massacre on innocent people....because they know in a gun-free zone NOBODY is going to be able to prevent the massacre because hey guns aren't allowed, thanks to the Leftist bed wetters.

America is alegedly a killng free zone, clearly that hasn't worked either. We should let citizens kill if they know they're in the right. The only way to stop a bad killer is with a good killer.

Gun free zones are the killing zones.

The last I checked, murder is still against the law.

Hasn't stopped murder has it.. Just like people say gun free zones don't stop shootings so there. Weird argument that.