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We hear people on this site all the time saying things like "we just don't want to see you tebowing every chance you get" and "your religion belongs in your house and your church behind closed doors" and "politicians cannot reference their religion" or "christians are mentally ill and should be locked up".
Every one of those statements poses a very real threat to our freedom of religion, and to everybody's freedom.
We will continue to openly adhere to our religion...and we will continue to object to human rights violations, and we will continue to demand that freedom of religion in this country remain inviolate.
You can ridicule, jeer, jail, legislate all you want. In the end, you'll have to kill Christians if you want them to hide their faith because they never will.
I find it interesting how easily we find an acceptance of a fat man in a red suit, little elves with pointy ears making toys, and flying reindeer. However, throw a representation of a nativity to express another "view" of what someone believes, and all of a sudden someone feels threatened by a little baby in a manger who is visited by three wise men. Yet has there ever been found the same outcry by Christians to remove this "Santa" everyone else believes in from a public place? Apparently one group has learned to be more respectful and tolerant of someone else's beliefs, than the other.
This is quite a deflection from the topic. Again, no one is taking away anyone's right to worship not any part of it.
That amazes me that it is still that surface topical to those that profess being christian.
Not a deflection at all, it only proves a valid point. There are New Testament biblical passages where Christians openly expressed their beliefs in public view. Jesus himself, never kept His faith to within a "place of worship", but OPENLY shared His faith to the woman at the well (for example). I'd say He qualifies more to testifying how a Christian ought to share one's belief, than you. Again, why this "threat" or "fear" over an individual's ability to choose HOW they may desire to express their faith? It's this very form of "freedom of speech", granted to each one of us through the First Amendment. Just as they have the same right to freedom of assembly as anyone else, another Constitutional right.
If Christians can learn to be respectful and tolerant of another's chosen belief in Santa, who are you to deny a Christian the same Constitutional right to express their view? Perhaps the real issue is in YOUR ability to respect and tolerate someone else's belief that happens to be different than your own? Perhaps you need to begin by developing an understanding for the word "tolerance" and what that actually means? At the very least, show some respect towards another set of beliefs that happens to be different from yours.
When has our United States Constitution been shown to hold special favor over the ability to PUBLICLY display one set of beliefs (atheism, or Santa) while neglecting the rights of another (Christianity and Jesus)? We are each granted the same freedom of speech, no matter which version of Christmas you happen to believe.
Say or yammer all you want, the First Amendment is explicit on freedom of religion and speech. Our founders well knew the history of this country when pilgrims from all over Europe came here so they could worship Jesus Christ freely sans government churches eating their livers over minor points. They also were financed by a Jewish man named Haym Solomon. He and his family were never reimbursed for financing the American Revolution, but he earned freedom of religion be extended beyond Christianity to those of Jewish disciplines.The Lord Jesus Christ also believed in discipline with a cat o' nine tails of sorts used against merchants engaged in trading wares in a church synagogue for excessive profits.They are idolaters.
God's gonna get 'em for violating Jesus' commandment :
"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind -- and thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
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Many people think Christians must be yes-people. Let me clear up your apparent confusion: that is seldom true. One can love the Lord God with all their hearts, souls, and minds and still go after, full steam ahead, wrongdoers who go against what God requires. That is outlined quite explicitly in the sixth chapter of the book of Micah if one misunderstood Mosaic laws outlined in Exodus and Deuteronomy, Jesus' suscinct summary of the law in His two-fold expression you just quoted, and the Great Commission given to his disciples after He arose from the dead. Furthermore, God looks on the heart and judges. I'd let Him decide who is and who is not correct according to the scriptures.
Therin lies the "heart and soul" of the problem. Every religion thinks it's "scriptures" take preference over every one elses. Every religion cries literally to the high heavens that thier scriptures are being trampled upon. What the world (ours is the U S A) needs is an unbiased arbitrator that can sort out what is free religious expression and what is invading the rights of others free religious/or not expression and what are the rights of people that are offended by ANY person's or religion's fair and free rights.
I say..keep it in your home/property. Keep it in your place of worship or gathering. I don't care if you have a cross on your front lawn..I don't care if your neighbor has one burning on his.
You really would have hated the founders, numan. They were just like us.I have long thought that many Christians were addicted to the use of cat-o'-nine-tails -- either on other people or on themselves.The Lord Jesus Christ also believed in discipline with a cat o' nine tails of sorts used against merchants engaged in trading wares in a church synagogue for excessive profits.
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Say or yammer all you want, the First Amendment is explicit on freedom of religion and speech. Our founders well knew the history of this country when pilgrims from all over Europe came here so they could worship Jesus Christ freely sans government churches eating their livers over minor points. They also were financed by a Jewish man named Haym Solomon. He and his family were never reimbursed for financing the American Revolution, but he earned freedom of religion be extended beyond Christianity to those of Jewish disciplines.The Lord Jesus Christ also believed in discipline with a cat o' nine tails of sorts used against merchants engaged in trading wares in a church synagogue for excessive profits.
Many people think Christians must be yes-people. Let me clear up your apparent confusion: that is seldom true. One can love the Lord God with all their hearts, souls, and minds and still go after, full steam ahead, wrongdoers who go against what God requires. That is outlined quite explicitly in the sixth chapter of the book of Micah if one misunderstood Mosaic laws outlined in Exodus and Deuteronomy, Jesus' suscinct summary of the law in His two-fold expression you just quoted, and the Great Commission given to his disciples after He arose from the dead. Furthermore, God looks on the heart and judges. I'd let Him decide who is and who is not correct according to the scriptures.
Therin lies the "heart and soul" of the problem. Every religion thinks it's "scriptures" take preference over every one elses. Every religion cries literally to the high heavens that thier scriptures are being trampled upon. What the world (ours is the U S A) needs is an unbiased arbitrator that can sort out what is free religious expression and what is invading the rights of others free religious/or not expression and what are the rights of people that are offended by ANY person's or religion's fair and free rights.
I say..keep it in your home/property. Keep it in your place of worship or gathering. I don't care if you have a cross on your front lawn..I don't care if your neighbor has one burning on his.
I think you know better than to tell me what to say.
I will practice my First Amendment privileges whether you like it or not, youngster.
Say or yammer all you want, the First Amendment is explicit on freedom of religion and speech. Our founders well knew the history of this country when pilgrims from all over Europe came here so they could worship Jesus Christ freely sans government churches eating their livers over minor points. They also were financed by a Jewish man named Haym Solomon. He and his family were never reimbursed for financing the American Revolution, but he earned freedom of religion be extended beyond Christianity to those of Jewish disciplines.The Lord Jesus Christ also believed in discipline with a cat o' nine tails of sorts used against merchants engaged in trading wares in a church synagogue for excessive profits.
Many people think Christians must be yes-people. Let me clear up your apparent confusion: that is seldom true. One can love the Lord God with all their hearts, souls, and minds and still go after, full steam ahead, wrongdoers who go against what God requires. That is outlined quite explicitly in the sixth chapter of the book of Micah if one misunderstood Mosaic laws outlined in Exodus and Deuteronomy, Jesus' suscinct summary of the law in His two-fold expression you just quoted, and the Great Commission given to his disciples after He arose from the dead. Furthermore, God looks on the heart and judges. I'd let Him decide who is and who is not correct according to the scriptures.
Therin lies the "heart and soul" of the problem. Every religion thinks it's "scriptures" take preference over every one elses. Every religion cries literally to the high heavens that thier scriptures are being trampled upon. What the world (ours is the U S A) needs is an unbiased arbitrator that can sort out what is free religious expression and what is invading the rights of others free religious/or not expression and what are the rights of people that are offended by ANY person's or religion's fair and free rights.
I say..keep it in your home/property. Keep it in your place of worship or gathering. I don't care if you have a cross on your front lawn..I don't care if your neighbor has one burning on his.
I think you know better than to tell me what to say.
I will practice my First Amendment privileges whether you like it or not, youngster.
Say or yammer all you want, the First Amendment is explicit on freedom of religion and speech. Our founders well knew the history of this country when pilgrims from all over Europe came here so they could worship Jesus Christ freely sans government churches eating their livers over minor points. They also were financed by a Jewish man named Haym Solomon. He and his family were never reimbursed for financing the American Revolution, but he earned freedom of religion be extended beyond Christianity to those of Jewish disciplines.Therin lies the "heart and soul" of the problem. Every religion thinks it's "scriptures" take preference over every one elses. Every religion cries literally to the high heavens that thier scriptures are being trampled upon. What the world (ours is the U S A) needs is an unbiased arbitrator that can sort out what is free religious expression and what is invading the rights of others free religious/or not expression and what are the rights of people that are offended by ANY person's or religion's fair and free rights.
I say..keep it in your home/property. Keep it in your place of worship or gathering. I don't care if you have a cross on your front lawn..I don't care if your neighbor has one burning on his.
I think you know better than to tell me what to say.
I will practice my First Amendment privileges whether you like it or not, youngster.
Quick question...............does that freedom extend to Taoists, Buddhists, and those who are of the Hindu religion as well?
Say or yammer all you want, the First Amendment is explicit on freedom of religion and speech. Our founders well knew the history of this country when pilgrims from all over Europe came here so they could worship Jesus Christ freely sans government churches eating their livers over minor points. They also were financed by a Jewish man named Haym Solomon. He and his family were never reimbursed for financing the American Revolution, but he earned freedom of religion be extended beyond Christianity to those of Jewish disciplines.
I think you know better than to tell me what to say.
I will practice my First Amendment privileges whether you like it or not, youngster.
Quick question...............does that freedom extend to Taoists, Buddhists, and those who are of the Hindu religion as well?
Actually, the liberals seem to bend over backward for them, even though in their countries they may disrespect Christianity and Judaism. But in fact, I have no problem with having their books read in Public Schools. We might just see what they promote ---when placed up against the BIBLE.
Faith is proved by works, not the study of false gods, Mr. 60-minute man.Quick question...............does that freedom extend to Taoists, Buddhists, and those who are of the Hindu religion as well?
Actually, the liberals seem to bend over backward for them, even though in their countries they may disrespect Christianity and Judaism. But in fact, I have no problem with having their books read in Public Schools. We might just see what they promote ---when placed up against the BIBLE.
Thier books are already in almost every library in every school. I see no problem in school boards offering an "elective" class in religion covering most religious history. What I do object to is any form of manditory imposition of religious teaching put upon any student ..including "time out" for prayer in the general public curriculum. Using such a "class" as an excuse for Christians to impose thier religion as a bible study or indoctrination and recruiting platform would be crossing the line. If the study was divided equally and presented with as much testing of the study material equally so the student had shown knowledge of all of the religions presented I believe it would be a benefit to any broad education.
Using the platform I offered as a way for Christians to attempt to "prove" how Christianity is BETTER is wrong.
Faith is proved by works, not the study of false gods, Mr. 60-minute man.Actually, the liberals seem to bend over backward for them, even though in their countries they may disrespect Christianity and Judaism. But in fact, I have no problem with having their books read in Public Schools. We might just see what they promote ---when placed up against the BIBLE.
Thier books are already in almost every library in every school. I see no problem in school boards offering an "elective" class in religion covering most religious history. What I do object to is any form of manditory imposition of religious teaching put upon any student ..including "time out" for prayer in the general public curriculum. Using such a "class" as an excuse for Christians to impose thier religion as a bible study or indoctrination and recruiting platform would be crossing the line. If the study was divided equally and presented with as much testing of the study material equally so the student had shown knowledge of all of the religions presented I believe it would be a benefit to any broad education.
Using the platform I offered as a way for Christians to attempt to "prove" how Christianity is BETTER is wrong.
Quite the contrary. Santa is not a religion.
Quite the contrary. Santa is not a religion.
It's someone's chosen belief surrounding an event (Christmas) that parents tell their children, that is represented in a teaching found through the giving of gifts, the giving of yourself, and is encouraged with "symbols" of a fat man in a red suit who travels the world with a group of flying reindeer. A teaching that adults themselves also take time to demonstrate before their children, showing the importance that's found through various acts of "giving" we all need to show to the world. The central message is STILL being encouraged today in all who take the time away from the world, to personally express it. It's a form of kindness, and selfless sacrifice, that many believe to be much needed in the world today.
If it's not a day that is to be set aside to remind us of this message of "giving", and the need to show compassion to one another, then simply tell your boss you don't believe in all that hogwash, and that you would much rather find a way to work. Why enjoy time away from work to express a tradition, to demonstrate a set of values, you yourself don't really feel is all that important to believe in? Why even teach such values to our children, or openly use "symbols" found in what we read to them, in order to better demonstrate the examples and teachings found in those beliefs?
Say or yammer all you want, the First Amendment is explicit on freedom of religion and speech. Our founders well knew the history of this country when pilgrims from all over Europe came here so they could worship Jesus Christ freely sans government churches eating their livers over minor points. They also were financed by a Jewish man named Haym Solomon. He and his family were never reimbursed for financing the American Revolution, but he earned freedom of religion be extended beyond Christianity to those of Jewish disciplines.Therin lies the "heart and soul" of the problem. Every religion thinks it's "scriptures" take preference over every one elses. Every religion cries literally to the high heavens that thier scriptures are being trampled upon. What the world (ours is the U S A) needs is an unbiased arbitrator that can sort out what is free religious expression and what is invading the rights of others free religious/or not expression and what are the rights of people that are offended by ANY person's or religion's fair and free rights.
I say..keep it in your home/property. Keep it in your place of worship or gathering. I don't care if you have a cross on your front lawn..I don't care if your neighbor has one burning on his.
I think you know better than to tell me what to say.
I will practice my First Amendment privileges whether you like it or not, youngster.
Quick question...............does that freedom extend to Taoists, Buddhists, and those who are of the Hindu religion as well?
At the time of the adoption of the Constitution and the amendments, the universal sentiment was that Christianity should be encouraged, not any one sect [denomination]. Any attempt to level and discard all religion would have been viewed with universal indignation. The object was not to substitute Judaism or Mohammedanism, or infidelity, but to prevent rivalry among the [Christian] sects to the exclusion of others.
Quite the contrary. Santa is not a religion.
It's someone's chosen belief surrounding an event (Christmas) that parents tell their children, that is represented in a teaching found through the giving of gifts, the giving of yourself, and is encouraged with "symbols" of a fat man in a red suit who travels the world with a group of flying reindeer. A teaching that adults themselves also take time to demonstrate before their children, showing the importance that's found through various acts of "giving" we all need to show to the world. The central message is STILL being encouraged today in all who take the time away from the world, to personally express it. It's a form of kindness, and selfless sacrifice, that many believe to be much needed in the world today.
If it's not a day that is to be set aside to remind us of this message of "giving", and the need to show compassion to one another, then simply tell your boss you don't believe in all that hogwash, and that you would much rather find a way to work. Why enjoy time away from work to express a tradition, to demonstrate a set of values, you yourself don't really feel is all that important to believe in? Why even teach such values to our children, or openly use "symbols" found in what we read to them, in order to better demonstrate the examples and teachings found in those beliefs?
Because in reality the Christian "values" taught are a minor component of what actually occurs in the Christmas phenom. Sure there is a religious sentiment portrayed by some Christians revolving thruout the Christmas season. 90% of Christmas is only about retail sales. Working hard to afford Chinese plastic crap for your kids isn't any rational value. It is a bad example for kids to believe that one's parents efforts should result in providing worthless garbage to entertain them and validate the media blitz of advertising mesmerising these trinkets. It feeds a mass hysteria of greed and dissapointment for those that get these hypnotic induced treasures and those that do not.
Well, in general, they are much less pushy than you People of the Book.Actually, the liberals seem to bend over backward for them....Quick question...............does that freedom extend to Taoists, Buddhists, and those who are of the Hindu religion as well?
"Thou hast said it!"You really would have hated the founders, numan. They were just like us.I have long thought that many Christians were addicted to the use of cat-o'-nine-tails -- either on other people or on themselves.The Lord Jesus Christ also believed in discipline with a cat o' nine tails of sorts used against merchants engaged in trading wares in a church synagogue for excessive profits.
I have long thought that many Christians were addicted to the use of cat-o'-nine-tails -- either on other people or on themselves.The Lord Jesus Christ also believed in discipline with a cat o' nine tails of sorts used against merchants engaged in trading wares in a church synagogue for excessive profits.
Well, that certainly came out of the blue.You're lying when you say "I have long thought".
Yes, and we'll fight to keep it, thank you.
