The Question Conservatives Can't Answer

[georgephillip]

What does the Constitution say about swindled homeowners and jobless workers?

Over the last four decades Joe 1% has been bribing Republicans AND Democrats to roll back protections that were put in place after the Great Depression to prevent the very policies that caused a 50% run up of the national debt between 2007 and this week's lifting of the debt ceiling.

The 50 million Americans who are losing their homes or the 20% of US workforce who can't find full time employment are probably defining self-defense a little differently than you and Joe. They might question the fairness of a $13 trillion bailout of the swindlers and thieves who inflated and collapsed a housing/credit bubble (there's Joe, again) while keeping the debt overhead in place for 98% of the population.

Do you think the rich are entitled to use government as a tool to become richer by shifting the tax burden off unearned income and onto wages and salaries?

Are the rich entitled to profit from accounting control fraud?

What's your deal?

 

[georgephillip]

Deserves got nothing to do with it. That's why Socialists/Progressives don't have a clue on Economic issues. They should never be allowed to run the U.S. Economy. They just don't have the brains for it. Here's a bunch of sheep who whine about the 'Evil Rich' while at the same time condoning their Hopey Changey One having GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt as his "Jobs Czar." GE Pays no Taxes at all and Outsources Thousands of American Jobs. These people just can't be allowed to run the U.S. Economy. They're far too ignorant and inept. It's time for a correction. Hopefully this correction will happen in 2012. I hope so anyway.

Did the richest two percent of Americans "deserve" to double their share of returns to wealth in less than one generation after taxpayers supplied a $13 trillion bailout for Wall Street?

Is it likely a Republican congressman from Texas will set that straight?

 

[skookerasbil]

What does the Constitution say about swindled homeowners and jobless workers?

Over the last four decades Joe 1% has been bribing Republicans AND Democrats to roll back protections that were put in place after the Great Depression to prevent the very policies that caused a 50% run up of the national debt between 2007 and this week's lifting of the debt ceiling.

The 50 million Americans who are losing their homes or the 20% of US workforce who can't find full time employment are probably defining self-defense a little differently than you and Joe. They might question the fairness of a $13 trillion bailout of the swindlers and thieves who inflated and collapsed a housing/credit bubble (there's Joe, again) while keeping the debt overhead in place for 98% of the population.

Do you think the rich are entitled to use government as a tool to become richer by shifting the tax burden off unearned income and onto wages and salaries?

Are the rich entitled to profit from accounting control fraud?

What's your deal?

s0n........feel compelled to tip you off to something. This is a POLITICS forum. In the past 6 months, you made about 693 posts about "the rich". Nobody cares. You might as well be standing at the north pole buck naked yelling "FIRE!!!". The HOUSE is solid red. Fcukking over the rich isnt happening s0n!! It might be nice rhetoric that plays to the k00ks on here but in the real world, its nothing but drivel...........and will be for a long time by the way. A minimum of 6 years and likely more like 10 before the HOUSE has a chance to go back to blue. Keynesian economics got another brief stay in the sun. The Trickle-Up poverty approach is going to be shelved soon for a long.......long........long time when the Varisty gets back in charge after next November. But in the mentime, even having a discussion about higher taxes on the rich is akin to group navel contemplation. Class warfare politics is decidedly gay here in 2011.

Should be a hoot in here for you the next 18 months s0n!!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

because..................

"Winning is the best feeling in the world!!!


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[georgephillip]

I wonder how many factories Germany lost between 2001 and 2009?

"When looking at the declining American middle class, a good number to start with is 42,400. That's the total number of factories that the U.S. lost between 2001 and the end of 2009.

"Put another way, this translates into the outsourcing of 32% of all manufacturing jobs in America."

You want those jobs back?

Compete for them. Lower the corporate tax to zero, and you'll see an almost immediate reversal of these trends. It really is as simple as that...

Why should US corporations benefit from American infrastructure (roads, schools and courts) without paying for them? Reducing the corporate tax rate to zero would free up additional billion$ for investment in countries with slave labor.

Maybe we should be asking if capitalism is still capable of providing jobs for all Americans who need one?

 

[skookerasbil]

I wonder how many factories Germany lost between 2001 and 2009?

"When looking at the declining American middle class, a good number to start with is 42,400. That's the total number of factories that the U.S. lost between 2001 and the end of 2009.

"Put another way, this translates into the outsourcing of 32% of all manufacturing jobs in America."

You want those jobs back?

Compete for them. Lower the corporate tax to zero, and you'll see an almost immediate reversal of these trends. It really is as simple as that...

Why should US corporations benefit from American infrastructure (roads, schools and courts) without paying for them? Reducing the corporate tax rate to zero would free up additional billion$ for investment in countries with slave labor.

Maybe we should be asking if capitalism is still capable of providing jobs for all Americans who need one?

Europe on Brink of 'Major Financial Collapse': Guggenheim CIO

Published: Tuesday, 2 Aug 2011 | 1:24 PM ET: Gennine Kelly
Europe is a "train wreck" and on the "brink of a major financial crisis," Scott Minerd, CIO of the fixed-income firm Guggenheim Partners, told CNBC Tuesday.


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"The way Europe is operating right now, it's what I called recently 'cognitive dissonance,'" Minerd said, or "basically doing the same thing thinking they're going to get a different outcome."

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s0n.......do you actually like getting your clock cleaned first thing in the morning??

 

[editec]

The question Georgephillips can't answer...

What does the top 1% have to do with households and small businesses making $250,000 a year?

You want to tax the top 1% at a higher rate...have at it man, I won't stand in your way.

The answer is that according to the current tax code, people making $250K are in the same tax bracket as people making ten or a hundred or a thousands times that amount.

And THAT is the problem.

Our tax code isn't screwy because it is too progressive. It's unfair and pernicious because it isn't progressive enough.

We should probably have ten or twenty tax brackets. We ought to, for example, recognize that a billionaire is 1000 times richer than a millionaire.

If we did that, then those in the lower tax brackets (Like families making $250K a year) would undoubtably end up paying a LOWER rate then they currently are.

 

[georgephillip]

What does the Constitution say about swindled homeowners and jobless workers?

Over the last four decades Joe 1% has been bribing Republicans AND Democrats to roll back protections that were put in place after the Great Depression to prevent the very policies that caused a 50% run up of the national debt between 2007 and this week's lifting of the debt ceiling.

The 50 million Americans who are losing their homes or the 20% of US workforce who can't find full time employment are probably defining self-defense a little differently than you and Joe. They might question the fairness of a $13 trillion bailout of the swindlers and thieves who inflated and collapsed a housing/credit bubble (there's Joe, again) while keeping the debt overhead in place for 98% of the population.

Do you think the rich are entitled to use government as a tool to become richer by shifting the tax burden off unearned income and onto wages and salaries?

Are the rich entitled to profit from accounting control fraud?

What's your deal?

s0n........feel compelled to tip you off to something. This is a POLITICS forum. In the past 6 months, you made about 693 posts about "the rich". Nobody cares. You might as well be standing at the north pole buck naked yelling "FIRE!!!". The HOUSE is solid red. Fcukking over the rich isnt happening s0n!! It might be nice rhetoric that plays to the k00ks on here but in the real world, its nothing but drivel...........and will be for a long time by the way. A minimum of 6 years and likely more like 10 before the HOUSE has a chance to go back to blue. Keynesian economics got another brief stay in the sun. The Trickle-Up poverty approach is going to be shelved soon for a long.......long........long time when the Varisty gets back in charge after next November. But in the mentime, even having a discussion about higher taxes on the rich is akin to group navel contemplation. Class warfare politics is decidedly gay here in 2011.

Should be a hoot in here for you the next 18 months s0n!!!!

Dawg...

You stick to stupid like flies on white.

Have you ever noticed the role money plays in politics?

Here's the numbers behind your solid red HOUSE:

Total votes nationwide for 2010 House Republicans: 30,799,391
Total votes nationwide for BO in 2008: 69,498,215

See the trend?

Hopefully those Americans who aren't blinded by corporate propaganda will FLUSH hundreds of Democrats AND Republicans from DC in 2012 starting in the White House. One thing for sure, timid slaves like you won't be able to duck the class war over the next 6 - 10 years.

Maybe you should learn Mandarin and take a few swimming lessons?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Deserves got nothing to do with it. That's why Socialists/Progressives don't have a clue on Economic issues. They should never be allowed to run the U.S. Economy. They just don't have the brains for it. Here's a bunch of sheep who whine about the 'Evil Rich' while at the same time condoning their Hopey Changey One having GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt as his "Jobs Czar." GE Pays no Taxes at all and Outsources Thousands of American Jobs. These people just can't be allowed to run the U.S. Economy. They're far too ignorant and inept. It's time for a correction. Hopefully this correction will happen in 2012. I hope so anyway.

Did the richest two percent of Americans "deserve" to double their share of returns to wealth in less than one generation after taxpayers supplied a $13 trillion bailout for Wall Street?

Is it likely a Republican congressman from Texas will set that straight?

$13 trillion? Any backup for that number?

Did you ever find any proof Blodget was correct, as long as we're talking about ridiculous claims?

 

[georgephillip]

"Obama seems to be campaigning for his own defeat! Thanks largely to the $13 trillion Wall Street bailout – while keeping the debt overhead in place for America’s “bottom 98 per cent” – this happy 2 per cent of the population now receives an estimated three quarters (~75 per cent) of the returns to wealth (interest, dividends, rent and capital gains). This is nearly double what it received a generation ago. The rest of the population is being squeezed, and foreclosures are rising."

What's your number for the Wall Street bailout?

Michael Hudson: Obama's Greatest Betrayal

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"Obama seems to be campaigning for his own defeat! Thanks largely to the $13 trillion Wall Street bailout – while keeping the debt overhead in place for America’s “bottom 98 per cent” – this happy 2 per cent of the population now receives an estimated three quarters (~75 per cent) of the returns to wealth (interest, dividends, rent and capital gains). This is nearly double what it received a generation ago. The rest of the population is being squeezed, and foreclosures are rising."

What's your number for the Wall Street bailout?

Michael Hudson: Obama's Greatest Betrayal

The bank portion of TARP was about $250 billion, IIRC.
That's been paid back, at a profit to the Treasury.

What else do you include in the "Wall Street bailout"?

 

[Hoot]

It was their money to begin with. They earned it.

Earned it? LOL! Studies have proven a good 69% of the richest 2% in the nation inherited their wealth.

Yeah...they really worked hard for that, didn't they?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It was their money to begin with. They earned it.

Earned it? LOL! Studies have proven a good 69% of the richest 2% in the nation inherited their wealth.

Yeah...they really worked hard for that, didn't they?

Studies? Prove it.

 

[gslack]

What does the Constitution say about swindled homeowners and jobless workers?

Over the last four decades Joe 1% has been bribing Republicans AND Democrats to roll back protections that were put in place after the Great Depression to prevent the very policies that caused a 50% run up of the national debt between 2007 and this week's lifting of the debt ceiling.

The 50 million Americans who are losing their homes or the 20% of US workforce who can't find full time employment are probably defining self-defense a little differently than you and Joe. They might question the fairness of a $13 trillion bailout of the swindlers and thieves who inflated and collapsed a housing/credit bubble (there's Joe, again) while keeping the debt overhead in place for 98% of the population.

Do you think the rich are entitled to use government as a tool to become richer by shifting the tax burden off unearned income and onto wages and salaries?

Are the rich entitled to profit from accounting control fraud?

What's your deal?

When you stop crying and want to have a logical debate on this let me know. But seems to me all you want to do is blame someone for your misfortune.

The constitution only guarantees that you have the same freedoms as anyone else. What you do with those freedoms is up to you. And the tax burden is not on wages and salaries, nor is it on the average worker. Seriously most people who work a regular old run of the mill job do not pay taxes but get a refund of what they paid and if they have kids most likely a great many will get the refund plus a couple thousand they didn't earn. It's called EIC or earned income credit and most anyone with kids who has ever filed taxes has seen something on it. It basically means that if you have children or dependents and you didn't make above a certain amount, the government makes up some of the difference to you in a tax credit.

Who do you think actually pays the taxes in this country? I mean serious taxes not the couple hundred or thousand or less most people pay. With everyone at or below poverty that have kids getting a EIC credit of a couple thousand or more each, and the single without kids or higher income ones paying nothing or at least very little, and the next level up paying only a couple hundred, where do you think all the money comes from? Not form any of those people thats for sure, it comes from the rest of the people the high middle, upper middle, and higher tax brackets.

Dude seriously I don't think you are getting the big picture here. Its not the 300+ million people paying taxes, most not only don't pay anything but some even get more than 2-3 times back what they put in on top getting that refunded.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The Question Conservatives Can't Answer

Where do you find your....

....."average guys"????????

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"'Jim Garvin' is Dr. James Garvin.

"He is 'the chief operating officer' with the Leedom Group. He brings more than 30 years experience in the financial services marketplace and has served on the governing boards of a number of international companies.

Yeah.....he's quite the average guy.......maybe, at a Republican Convention.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The question " "In what way do the richest 1% deserve these extraordinary gains?"
Runs on the pretense that someone "gave them" that profit. The fact is the profit or increase they made, however that was. The government bailed out some institutions, Banks, automakers, etc.. Those are corporations and not the citizenry. Now you can argue some of the CEO's used that to their benefit which would allow for an increase for some of that 1%, but we certainly cannot say ALL of them nor even most.

A little perspective...

Say joe top 1% got taxed 40% of his taxable income. And then Mr. Conservative came in and gave him a tax break of 5 or lets go high and say 10%. So he would then pay 30%.

So, he pays 30% of his TAXABLE INCOME. I caps that cause its important. moving on say he made 5 billion last year, living costs and expenses would be deducted along with any charitable donations (people with that kind of money do this if only to prevent a higher tax for not doing it) would normally be deducted now but lets just say it already was to keep it simple.

So 5 billion minus the gov's 30% = 1.5 billion. Now 30% is actually low rate for that kind of income and when you take into consideration the ways he made the money was taxed on their own before hand, you may get to see the bigger picture a little.

A lot of people view its as "well he still has 3.5 billion after taxes" or "thats still more than anyone needs" but taking nearly a third or more of a persons income just to pay for government and programs is robbery in any aspect, and as far as it being more than he needs its not for you or I to decide that. How would you like to have your neighbors decide your house has too many bedrooms, or your yard is too big?

Do you think the neighbors of Joe top 1% have the right to decide how fast Joe can drive his Ferrari on public streets? When the choice is between allowing individuals to amass $3.5 billion in a single year and cutting thousands of government-paid first responders and public school teachers, Joe's neighbors have the same right to regulate his capital accumulation as they have to decide how fast he can drive on their streets.

It's called self defense.

I'm not clear on why you think 30% is a low tax rate on billionaires when most of them pay at the 15% capital gains rate when they bother paying anything at all.

"In what way do the richest 1% deserve these extraordinary gains?"

Argues the government gave the richest 1% of Americans these extraordinary gains by shifting the burden of taxation onto wages and salaries or cutting government services or both. Government also gave the richest 1% of Americans these extraordinary gains by deregulating Wall Street which then produced minimally taxed financial instruments that contributed nothing to US productivity but which did produce an economic collapse that wiped out $7.8 trillion worth of US home values.

Which US taxpayers continue to pay for.

You don't want fair you want what the 1% have only you don't want to go and earn it.......

So.....by earning it, you mean.....totally screwing-UP, so badly, you're paid....

...to go-away????

These are the same companies who are confused-by & uncertain-of Obama's policies, huh????

 

[Foxfyre]

It was their money to begin with. They earned it.

Earned it? LOL! Studies have proven a good 69% of the richest 2% in the nation inherited their wealth.

Yeah...they really worked hard for that, didn't they?

I suppose you can back up that statistic from a credible source?

Here's my source:

Recently, PNC Wealth Management conducted a survey of people with more than $500,000 free to invest as they like, a fair definition of “wealthy,” and possibly “millionaire” once you begin including home equity and other assets. Only 6% of those surveyed earned their money from inheritance alone. 69% earned their wealth mostly by trading time and effort for money, or by “working.”

Most Wealthy Individuals Earned, Not Inherited, Their Wealth

Is it possible you misread that 69%? Interesting that it showed up in your post and in my source.

But however a person acquires the property they have, so long as it was acquired legally and ethically, should be nobody's business but theirs. We have a system of government that recognizes, protects, and defends the unalienable right to pursue happiness whether that is obtained through possession or in some other way. You have the right to accumulate as much wealth as you have ambition, ability, and desire to accumulate.

It does not allow any of us to violate anyody else's unalienable rights in order to make ourselves happy. You have no unalienable right to what anybody else has lawfully and ethically inherited, earned, won, or found, nor does anybody have unalienable right to what you possess or will earn.

 

[initforme]

Leave the rich on an island. They need no protections or help from the gov't nor anybody else. A small percentage of them have earned their money. Many or most have taken advantage of others to get their wealth. I'm not for taxing them nor do I consider them a fellow american I could defend.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The Question Conservatives Can't Answer

Why do "conservative"-Bubbleheads think they're (actually)....

....documentary subject-matter??

Strolling-around, to a porn sound-track, is hardly considered any kind o' skill.

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[Soggy in NOLA]

Leave the rich on an island. They need no protections or help from the gov't nor anybody else. A small percentage of them have earned their money. Many or most have taken advantage of others to get their wealth. I'm not for taxing them nor do I consider them a fellow american I could defend.

How old are you? Like, 11?