The Right To Bear Arms

[bigrebnc1775]

fyi; the Second Amendment allows you to have the other amendments.

For those totally ignorant of history

really?

then why was treason the only criminal act defined in the constitution?

It's not treasonous to over throw a tyrannical government.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I suspect you could make a argument about most anything written 200 plus years ago being obsolete by today's standards. So the question is do you want to go redefining a constitution that was worked very well for over 200 years to today's standards? If we go down that path I don't think any of us will like what we find at the end of it.

Whether the Constution works depends on who you talk to. obama says it has never worked and was fatally flawed the day it was signed.

really?

link?

idiota

He has said it has flaws.
Obama: Constitution is &#39Deeply Flawed&#39

 

[LibertyLemming]

uh no. the second amendment does not provide for other amendments. sure part of the constitution does, but not the 2nd amendment

 

[jillian]

Whether the Constution works depends on who you talk to. obama says it has never worked and was fatally flawed the day it was signed.

really?

link?

idiota

He has said it has flaws.
Obama: Constitution is 'Deeply Flawed'

how about a legitimate source?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Armed or not we are still closer to subjects than free citizens.

Some of use are and some aren't.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

things are generally part of the constitution after they're obsolete or they wouldn't be changed. but the reality is, the constitution, except for prohibition, has never been amended to limit rights... it's only ever been amended to expand them.

and it's unlikely that the 2nd amendment would be amended any time soon.

Quite true, the government prefers to limit rights through court decisions.

in most instances rights are enforced by court decisions.

what "rights" are you talking about?

And you call yourself a lawyer.

What about all the court decisions limiting the scope of the 4th? Or the ones that effectively removed the double jeopardy clause entirely?

 

[jillian]

Armed or not we are still closer to subjects than free citizens.

Some of use are and some aren't.

no... we aren't.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

fyi; the Second Amendment allows you to have the other amendments.

For those totally ignorant of history

really?

then why was treason the only criminal act defined in the constitution?

Because the people who wrote the Constitution had no conception that the federal government would eventually have so many different laws that the average citizen now commits 3 felonies a day?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Armed or not we are still closer to subjects than free citizens.

Some of use are and some aren't.

no... we aren't.

Those on welfare I would say they are.

 

[hazlnut]

I suspect you could make a argument about most anything written 200 plus years ago being obsolete by today's standards. So the question is do you want to go redefining a constitution that was worked very well for over 200 years to today's standards? If we go down that path I don't think any of us will like what we find at the end of it.

Whether the Constution works depends on who you talk to. obama says it has never worked and was fatally flawed the day it was signed.

Link to quote with context?

Waiting....

 

[hazlnut]

fyi; the Second Amendment allows you to have the other amendments.

For those totally ignorant of history

really?

then why was treason the only criminal act defined in the constitution?

It's not treasonous to over throw a tyrannical government.

It's psychotic to see something that does not exist.

Paranoia is a sickness spread by the NRA.

 

[LibertyLemming]

really?

then why was treason the only criminal act defined in the constitution?

It's not treasonous to over throw a tyrannical government.

It's psychotic to see something that does not exist.

Paranoia is a sickness spread by the NRA.

You don't think our government is tyrannical? If so, please list 5-10 characteristics of a tyrannical government please.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

really?

then why was treason the only criminal act defined in the constitution?

It's not treasonous to over throw a tyrannical government.

It's psychotic to see something that does not exist.

Paranoia is a sickness spread by the NRA.

The patriot act? Assassination of American citizens without due process, Indefinite detention, Confiscation of private property, giving amnesty to illegals. Hell the only right we still or that hasn't been violated is the second amendment and housing the military.

 

[Lakhota]

From the 2008 DC v. Heller ruling, written by Scalia, and one of the very few Supreme Court cases to touch on the Second Amendment at all:

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."​

Remember: Written by Scalia, i.e., not one of those liberal judicial activists you hear so much about.

More: And Now a Thought From Justice Scalia

 

[bigrebnc1775]

From the 2008 DC v. Heller ruling, written by Scalia, and one of the very few Supreme Court cases to touch on the Second Amendment at all:

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."​

Remember: Written by Scalia, i.e., not one of those liberal judicial activists you hear so much about.

More: And Now a Thought From Justice Scalia

Miller vs U.S. and Lewis vs. U.S. state that only militia type firearms are the only weapons protected by the second amendment.

 

[Lakhota]

Protected by 2nd Amendment.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Protected by 2nd Amendment.

Yes the military and county sheriff also had those type of firearms.
DO YOU HAVE A POINT?

 

[Contumacious]

really?

then why was treason the only criminal act defined in the constitution?

It's not treasonous to over throw a tyrannical government.

It's psychotic to see something that does not exist.

Paranoia is a sickness spread by the NRA.

Government supremacy is a sickness spread by public shools

"Every politically controlled educational system will inculcate the doctrine of state supremacy sooner or later. . . . Once that doctrine has been accepted, it becomes an almost superhuman task to break the stranglehold of the political power over the life of the citizen. It has had his body, property and mind in its clutches from infancy. An octopus would sooner release its prey. A tax-supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state."

–Isabel Paterson, The God of the Machine (1943)

 

[Zander]

 

[bigrebnc1775]