danielpalos
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Right wing fantasy is all right wingers have.In Daniel's world you don't.how do you remove a tyrant who controls the firearms or military?I am not sure what you mean.How can one person peaceably assemble? Who would that person assemble with if not another person who desired to peaceably assemble with that person?There is if you understand the context. Our Second Amendment is not about Individual rights.There is no such thing as a collective right that is independent of an individual right.That is the whole Point, right winger. The People are the Militia not Individuals. There is no such Thing as well regulated militia of Individuals under our Constitutional form of Government.Yes, well regulated militia of the whole and entire People, have literal recourse to our Second Amendment; the unorganized militia as Individuals of the People do not.Our federal Constitution is express not implied in any way. If you have to imply, you are already on the slippery slope to fallacy.Yes, they are. See how easy that is without any valid arguments, right wingers. Too lazy while being hypocrites about hard work?Why is that? There are no Individual terms in our Second Article of Amendment. All terms are collective and plural.Our Second Amendment is about the security of a free State not individual liberty or natural rights. States have a right to organize their own militias.All this hair splitting over the prefatory clause, and outright IGNORING the operative clause is further proof that the gun grabbers are not acting in good faith.
The prefatory clause announces a purpose. Not the sole purpose, but the important government purpose. (Militia)
The operative clause holds the legal effect intended. (right of the people...shall not be infringed)
What does the 2nd Amendment actually do?
Establish a militia?
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Protect the right of the people?
The US Supreme Court has consistently ruled it an individual right.
No, they are not.
Sure, it is easy to spout inaccurate information. You do it quit often.
But the 1st Amendment does no protect a collective right to free speech. Nor does it protect a collective right to free exercise of religion. Nor does it protect a collective right to petition the gov't for redress.
The 4th Amendment does not protect a collective from unreasonable search and seizure.
The 6th Amendment does not protect a collective right to a speedy trial.
Daniel, you are welcome to disagree. That just means you are wrong. Every constitutional scholar worth his salt, and the US Supreme Court has always ruled that the Bill of Rights is about individual rights.
Yes, it expressly states that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (Illinois State Constitution)
And the militia is gathered, when needed, from the population. As I have said, you are welcome to disagree with constitutional scholars and the US Supreme Court. But your opinion carries very little weight.
You are very confused.
Who has a right to assemble? Is that a right held individually or by a group?
You don't know the answer.
It takes two (or more) to peaceably assemble...and it takes a specific cause for which the assembly is made.
Here is the express law:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
There is no such Thing as any form of Militia of One.