The Syrian civil war is breeding a new generation of terrorist

[georgephillip]

There go those goal posts again.

But, I’d say the answer to your question is still undecided. The sunni vs. shia wars (note the plural tense) being waged delineate two subdivisions of Islamism as vying for Hegemony.

In Iraq and Syria, it is the millennia old sunni vs. shia blood feud that is driving the conflict. In those two slaughter houses, Persian Iran and its allies are are pitted against sunni/salafi/wahabbi tribes. Neither the US, Russia or Western Europe has any real influence.

In Egypt, it’s quasi-secular (pick a name, I don’t recall who is running the government this week), vs. the Muslim Brotherhood. Here again, even Infidel hush money doesn’t buy much.

So, unfortunately, your question is largely directionless.

So you can't quite decide which force has maimed, murdered, displaced, and incarcerated millions of innocent Muslims in the last ten years, is that your problem? Sunni and Shia weren't killing each other in Syria or Iraq in anything like their present numbers before the US invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe AIPAC needs a little more incentive to add Persian misery to the mix?

It’s not that I can’t decide, I just have no data to confirm your numbers. Apparently, neither do you. That’s your problem, not mine.

Secondly, Sunni and Shia actually were killing each other in Iraq prior to the U.S. invasion. The numbers of mass graves found in Iraq indicated that untold numbers of moslems were being planted all over Iraq. The total body count will never be known. It's quite apparent that Iraq's majority Shia population is suffering the worst of the jihad being waged against them by the Sunni minority which, under Saddam Hussein's auspices, subjected them to privation, fear, and death. What a shame that islam’s holy warriors didn't dare rise up against Saddam Hussein. Could that be because he showed that he wasn't at all shy about wholesale murder with mass collateral damage?


Further, The sunni vs. shia kill-fest in Syria has nothing to do with the US invasion of Iraq. That is fully a function of islamo-supremacy being waged by Persian Iran with aspirations of a Shia Crescent from Iran, into Iraq and through Syria.

Hm, let's see now:
 Syria, an aggressive despotic state allied with Iran:
 Which tyrannized Lebanon for decades,
 Which is implacably hostile toward Israel,
 Which is known to support Hizbollah and other Islamic terror groups,
 Whose agents of insurrection have been captured inside Iraq,
 And which is known to have received truck shipments of something from Saddam Hussein in the days before the inception of Operation Iraqi Freedom,
Any cause for “I blame Amreeka” here?

I think you need a better argument than the “I blame Amreeka” slogan. It’s gettin’ old, Bunky.

Not as old as stale hasbara, Hollie.

"Refugees from Iraq have increased in number since the US-led invasion into Iraq in March 2003.

"An estimated 1.6-2.0 million people have fled the country.

"The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees estimated in a report released in November 2006 that more than 1.6 million Iraqis had left Iraq since March 2003, nearly 7 percent of the total population.

"The BBC on 22 January 2007 placed the refugee figure at 2 million. By 16 February 2007, António Guterres, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, said that the external refugee number reached 2 million and that within Iraq there are an estimated 1.7 million internally displaced people. The refugee traffic out of the country has increased since the intensification of civil war.[4][5]

"As of June 21, 2007, the UNHCR estimated that over 4.2 million Iraqis have been displaced, with 2 million within the Iraq and 2.2 million in neighboring countries.[6]"

Why don't you see if you can find a few links for your tripe?
Start with the number of neighbors Syria and Iran have invaded since 1948.

Refugees of Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

If it is at all accurate to say there is a new breed of terrorist in the ME, I would call that terrorist the United States.

Certainly, no other nation has caused as much death and devastation as we have in the ME in the past decade.

 

[Hollie]

So you can't quite decide which force has maimed, murdered, displaced, and incarcerated millions of innocent Muslims in the last ten years, is that your problem? Sunni and Shia weren't killing each other in Syria or Iraq in anything like their present numbers before the US invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe AIPAC needs a little more incentive to add Persian misery to the mix?

It’s not that I can’t decide, I just have no data to confirm your numbers. Apparently, neither do you. That’s your problem, not mine.

Secondly, Sunni and Shia actually were killing each other in Iraq prior to the U.S. invasion. The numbers of mass graves found in Iraq indicated that untold numbers of moslems were being planted all over Iraq. The total body count will never be known. It's quite apparent that Iraq's majority Shia population is suffering the worst of the jihad being waged against them by the Sunni minority which, under Saddam Hussein's auspices, subjected them to privation, fear, and death. What a shame that islam’s holy warriors didn't dare rise up against Saddam Hussein. Could that be because he showed that he wasn't at all shy about wholesale murder with mass collateral damage?


Further, The sunni vs. shia kill-fest in Syria has nothing to do with the US invasion of Iraq. That is fully a function of islamo-supremacy being waged by Persian Iran with aspirations of a Shia Crescent from Iran, into Iraq and through Syria.

Hm, let's see now:
 Syria, an aggressive despotic state allied with Iran:
 Which tyrannized Lebanon for decades,
 Which is implacably hostile toward Israel,
 Which is known to support Hizbollah and other Islamic terror groups,
 Whose agents of insurrection have been captured inside Iraq,
 And which is known to have received truck shipments of something from Saddam Hussein in the days before the inception of Operation Iraqi Freedom,
Any cause for “I blame Amreeka” here?

I think you need a better argument than the “I blame Amreeka” slogan. It’s gettin’ old, Bunky.

Not as old as stale hasbara, Hollie.

"Refugees from Iraq have increased in number since the US-led invasion into Iraq in March 2003.

"An estimated 1.6-2.0 million people have fled the country.

"The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees estimated in a report released in November 2006 that more than 1.6 million Iraqis had left Iraq since March 2003, nearly 7 percent of the total population.

"The BBC on 22 January 2007 placed the refugee figure at 2 million. By 16 February 2007, António Guterres, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, said that the external refugee number reached 2 million and that within Iraq there are an estimated 1.7 million internally displaced people. The refugee traffic out of the country has increased since the intensification of civil war.[4][5]

"As of June 21, 2007, the UNHCR estimated that over 4.2 million Iraqis have been displaced, with 2 million within the Iraq and 2.2 million in neighboring countries.[6]"

Why don't you see if you can find a few links for your tripe?
Start with the number of neighbors Syria and Iran have invaded since 1948.

Refugees of Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I can see you're getting irritable and testy but that's a function of your arguments not being supportable. You've abandoned so many of your discredited claims that you can't even find the goal posts to move the yet again.


Speaking of Syria, were you aware of the Syrian occupation of southern lebanon?

No? You didn't know that?

 

[Hollie]

If it is at all accurate to say there is a new breed of terrorist in the ME, I would call that terrorist the United States.

Certainly, no other nation has caused as much death and devastation as we have in the ME in the past decade.

The new breed is still the same old breed - your Islamist heroes.

 

[georgephillip]

US Policies for Middle East

Regime change Iraq

Regime change Syria

A US war of aggression in Iraq.

And over 1 million die.

And the US carries out special operations in Syria stirring up opposition to the government

AND people die In Syria.

Greenspan admits Iraq was about oil, as deaths put at 1.2m

Sunday 16 September 2007*

"The man once regarded as the world's most powerful banker has bluntly declared that the Iraq war was 'largely' about oil.In his long-awaited memoir - out tomorrow in the US - Greenspan, 81, who served as chairman of the US Federal Reserve for almost two decades, writes: 'I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil.'Greenspan's damning comments about the war come as a survey of Iraqis, which was released last week, claims that up to 1.2 million people may have died because of the conflict in Iraq - lending weight to a 2006 survey in the Lancet that reported similarly high levels."

Greenspan admits Iraq was about oil, as deaths put at 1.2m | World news | The Observer

Apparently the marching orders for the New Middle East included O.I.L. in March of 2003 followed by another heroic Jew assault on Lebanon in 2006 with the goal of extending Israel's border as far north as the Litani river. Hezbollah prevented that particular instance of Israeli terror so the US and NATO fixed their sites on Libya. The focus has now shifted back to Syria and Lebanon with Sudan and Somalia simmering on the back burners, so to speak. It's just a real shame how all the war-whores won't be getting their Persian plunder anytime soon.

"In Clark's book, Winning Modern Wars, published in 2003, he describes his conversation with a military officer in the Pentagon shortly after 9/11 regarding a plan to attack seven Middle Eastern countries in five years: 'As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia,Sudan and finishing off Iran.'" [147]

Wesley Clark - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hollie]

US Policies for Middle East

Regime change Iraq

Regime change Syria

A US war of aggression in Iraq.

And over 1 million die.

And the US carries out special operations in Syria stirring up opposition to the government

AND people die In Syria.

Greenspan admits Iraq was about oil, as deaths put at 1.2m

Sunday 16 September 2007*

"The man once regarded as the world's most powerful banker has bluntly declared that the Iraq war was 'largely' about oil.In his long-awaited memoir - out tomorrow in the US - Greenspan, 81, who served as chairman of the US Federal Reserve for almost two decades, writes: 'I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil.'Greenspan's damning comments about the war come as a survey of Iraqis, which was released last week, claims that up to 1.2 million people may have died because of the conflict in Iraq - lending weight to a 2006 survey in the Lancet that reported similarly high levels."

Greenspan admits Iraq was about oil, as deaths put at 1.2m | World news | The Observer

Apparently the marching orders for the New Middle East included O.I.L. in March of 2003 followed by another heroic Jew assault on Lebanon in 2006 with the goal of extending Israel's border as far north as the Litani river. Hezbollah prevented that particular instance of Israeli terror so the US and NATO fixed their sites on Libya. The focus has now shifted back to Syria and Lebanon with Sudan and Somalia simmering on the back burners, so to speak. It's just a real shame how all the war-whores won't be getting their Persian plunder anytime soon.

"In Clark's book, Winning Modern Wars, published in 2003, he describes his conversation with a military officer in the Pentagon shortly after 9/11 regarding a plan to attack seven Middle Eastern countries in five years: 'As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia,Sudan and finishing off Iran.'" [147]

Wesley Clark - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You cut and pasted this earlier.

What a shame. You're cutting and pasting the same things you cut and pasted before in a failed attempt to cover your tracks after abandoning one claim after another.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Israel occupied Lebanon from 1982 to 2000

The Zionist child Hollie was probably not even alive then.

And Israel still occupies part of Lebanon, Sheeba Farms

When Israel occupied Lebanon

Brutal occupation

"But the scope and brutality of the Israeli invasion created widespread anger and resistance. Around 18,000 people were killed and 30,000 injured and between 500,000-800,000 made homeless in the first three months.Then came the horror of the massacres at the Chabra and Shatila Palestinian refugee camps where 3,000 men, women and children were slaughtered by the right wing Christian Phalange militia under the gaze of Ariel Sharon"

Not until 2000 do most Israeli troops withdraw from most of Lebanon.

History: When Israel occupied Lebanon | socialistworld.net

 

[georgephillip]

It’s not that I can’t decide, I just have no data to confirm your numbers. Apparently, neither do you. That’s your problem, not mine.

Secondly, Sunni and Shia actually were killing each other in Iraq prior to the U.S. invasion. The numbers of mass graves found in Iraq indicated that untold numbers of moslems were being planted all over Iraq. The total body count will never be known. It's quite apparent that Iraq's majority Shia population is suffering the worst of the jihad being waged against them by the Sunni minority which, under Saddam Hussein's auspices, subjected them to privation, fear, and death. What a shame that islam’s holy warriors didn't dare rise up against Saddam Hussein. Could that be because he showed that he wasn't at all shy about wholesale murder with mass collateral damage?


Further, The sunni vs. shia kill-fest in Syria has nothing to do with the US invasion of Iraq. That is fully a function of islamo-supremacy being waged by Persian Iran with aspirations of a Shia Crescent from Iran, into Iraq and through Syria.

Hm, let's see now:
 Syria, an aggressive despotic state allied with Iran:
 Which tyrannized Lebanon for decades,
 Which is implacably hostile toward Israel,
 Which is known to support Hizbollah and other Islamic terror groups,
 Whose agents of insurrection have been captured inside Iraq,
 And which is known to have received truck shipments of something from Saddam Hussein in the days before the inception of Operation Iraqi Freedom,
Any cause for “I blame Amreeka” here?

I think you need a better argument than the “I blame Amreeka” slogan. It’s gettin’ old, Bunky.

Not as old as stale hasbara, Hollie.

"Refugees from Iraq have increased in number since the US-led invasion into Iraq in March 2003.

"An estimated 1.6-2.0 million people have fled the country.

"The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees estimated in a report released in November 2006 that more than 1.6 million Iraqis had left Iraq since March 2003, nearly 7 percent of the total population.

"The BBC on 22 January 2007 placed the refugee figure at 2 million. By 16 February 2007, António Guterres, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, said that the external refugee number reached 2 million and that within Iraq there are an estimated 1.7 million internally displaced people. The refugee traffic out of the country has increased since the intensification of civil war.[4][5]

"As of June 21, 2007, the UNHCR estimated that over 4.2 million Iraqis have been displaced, with 2 million within the Iraq and 2.2 million in neighboring countries.[6]"

Why don't you see if you can find a few links for your tripe?
Start with the number of neighbors Syria and Iran have invaded since 1948.

Refugees of Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I can see you're getting irritable and testy but that's a function of your arguments not being supportable. You've abandoned so many of your discredited claims that you can't even find the goal posts to move the yet again.


Speaking of Syria, were you aware of the Syrian occupation of southern lebanon?

No? You didn't know that?

Links, remember?

"The 1978 South Lebanon conflict (code-named Operation Litani by Israel) was an invasion of Lebanon up to the Litani River, carried out by the Israel Defense Forces in 1978 in response to the Coastal Road massacre.

"The conflict resulted in the deaths of 1,100–2,000 Lebanese and Palestinians, 20 Israelis, the internal displacement of 100,000 to 250,000 people in Lebanon, and the PLO forces retreating north of the Litani River. It led to the creation of the UNIFIL peacekeeping force and an almost complete Israeli withdrawal."

Another heroic retreat?

1978 South Lebanon conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hollie]

Not as old as stale hasbara, Hollie.

"Refugees from Iraq have increased in number since the US-led invasion into Iraq in March 2003.

"An estimated 1.6-2.0 million people have fled the country.

"The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees estimated in a report released in November 2006 that more than 1.6 million Iraqis had left Iraq since March 2003, nearly 7 percent of the total population.

"The BBC on 22 January 2007 placed the refugee figure at 2 million. By 16 February 2007, António Guterres, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, said that the external refugee number reached 2 million and that within Iraq there are an estimated 1.7 million internally displaced people. The refugee traffic out of the country has increased since the intensification of civil war.[4][5]

"As of June 21, 2007, the UNHCR estimated that over 4.2 million Iraqis have been displaced, with 2 million within the Iraq and 2.2 million in neighboring countries.[6]"

Why don't you see if you can find a few links for your tripe?
Start with the number of neighbors Syria and Iran have invaded since 1948.

Refugees of Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I can see you're getting irritable and testy but that's a function of your arguments not being supportable. You've abandoned so many of your discredited claims that you can't even find the goal posts to move the yet again.


Speaking of Syria, were you aware of the Syrian occupation of southern lebanon?

No? You didn't know that?

Links, remember?

"The 1978 South Lebanon conflict (code-named Operation Litani by Israel) was an invasion of Lebanon up to the Litani River, carried out by the Israel Defense Forces in 1978 in response to the Coastal Road massacre.

"The conflict resulted in the deaths of 1,100–2,000 Lebanese and Palestinians, 20 Israelis, the internal displacement of 100,000 to 250,000 people in Lebanon, and the PLO forces retreating north of the Litani River. It led to the creation of the UNIFIL peacekeeping force and an almost complete Israeli withdrawal."

Another heroic retreat?

1978 South Lebanon conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I see. So, if you pretend the Syrian occupation of Lebanon never happened, such denual eases your conscience?

 

[georgephillip]

I can see you're getting irritable and testy but that's a function of your arguments not being supportable. You've abandoned so many of your discredited claims that you can't even find the goal posts to move the yet again.


Speaking of Syria, were you aware of the Syrian occupation of southern lebanon?

No? You didn't know that?

Links, remember?

"The 1978 South Lebanon conflict (code-named Operation Litani by Israel) was an invasion of Lebanon up to the Litani River, carried out by the Israel Defense Forces in 1978 in response to the Coastal Road massacre.

"The conflict resulted in the deaths of 1,100–2,000 Lebanese and Palestinians, 20 Israelis, the internal displacement of 100,000 to 250,000 people in Lebanon, and the PLO forces retreating north of the Litani River. It led to the creation of the UNIFIL peacekeeping force and an almost complete Israeli withdrawal."

Another heroic retreat?

1978 South Lebanon conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I see. So, if you pretend the Syrian occupation of Lebanon never happened, such denual eases your conscience?

Any "Syrian occupation of Lebanon" took place AFTER the Jewish occupation of Palestine in 1948 and its mass expulsion of tens of thousands of Arab Palestinians into Lebanon.

See?

 

[Hollie]

Links, remember?

"The 1978 South Lebanon conflict (code-named Operation Litani by Israel) was an invasion of Lebanon up to the Litani River, carried out by the Israel Defense Forces in 1978 in response to the Coastal Road massacre.

"The conflict resulted in the deaths of 1,100–2,000 Lebanese and Palestinians, 20 Israelis, the internal displacement of 100,000 to 250,000 people in Lebanon, and the PLO forces retreating north of the Litani River. It led to the creation of the UNIFIL peacekeeping force and an almost complete Israeli withdrawal."

Another heroic retreat?

1978 South Lebanon conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I see. So, if you pretend the Syrian occupation of Lebanon never happened, such denual eases your conscience?

Any "Syrian occupation of Lebanon" took place AFTER the Jewish occupation of Palestine in 1948 and its mass expulsion of tens of thousands of Arab Palestinians into Lebanon.

See?

I see. You don't have an issue with Syrian occupation of lebanon because that doesn't stir your jooooo hatreds.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Links, remember?

"The 1978 South Lebanon conflict (code-named Operation Litani by Israel) was an invasion of Lebanon up to the Litani River, carried out by the Israel Defense Forces in 1978 in response to the Coastal Road massacre.

"The conflict resulted in the deaths of 1,100–2,000 Lebanese and Palestinians, 20 Israelis, the internal displacement of 100,000 to 250,000 people in Lebanon, and the PLO forces retreating north of the Litani River. It led to the creation of the UNIFIL peacekeeping force and an almost complete Israeli withdrawal."

Another heroic retreat?

1978 South Lebanon conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I see. So, if you pretend the Syrian occupation of Lebanon never happened, such denual eases your conscience?

Any "Syrian occupation of Lebanon" took place AFTER the Jewish occupation of Palestine in 1948 and its mass expulsion of tens of thousands of Arab Palestinians into Lebanon.

See?

The Zionist child is too young and ignorant to understand any of that.

Israel's ethnic cleansings and invasions and occupations and expulsions of refugees has spread unrest throughout neighboring countries for over 65 years now.

 

[Hollie]

I see. So, if you pretend the Syrian occupation of Lebanon never happened, such denual eases your conscience?

Any "Syrian occupation of Lebanon" took place AFTER the Jewish occupation of Palestine in 1948 and its mass expulsion of tens of thousands of Arab Palestinians into Lebanon.

See?

The Zionist child is too young and ignorant to understand any of that.

Israel's ethnic cleansings and invasions and occupations and expulsions of refugees has spread unrest throughout neighboring countries for over 65 years now.

The islamist terrorist apologist is so dogmatic as to make excuses for occupations when done by Arabs.

 

[georgephillip]

I see. So, if you pretend the Syrian occupation of Lebanon never happened, such denual eases your conscience?

Any "Syrian occupation of Lebanon" took place AFTER the Jewish occupation of Palestine in 1948 and its mass expulsion of tens of thousands of Arab Palestinians into Lebanon.

See?

I see. You don't have an issue with Syrian occupation of lebanon because that doesn't stir your jooooo hatreds.

Do you see how your racist Jewish state depended upon the ethnic cleansing of 700,000 indigenous Palestinians in 1948 in order to come into existence or how 1954's Anti-Infiltration Act ensured nationalization of those lands for the benefit of Jews world wide? There would have been no need for a Syrian occupation of Lebanon in 1978 if Jews hadn't driven hundreds of thousands of Arabs from Palestine thirty years earlier.