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ideology: a system of ideas and ideals, especially one that forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy. Clearly, conservatism is an ideology no matter how you believe this system of beliefs was arrived at.I understand you perfectly. The problem is you don't understand how ridiculous you are.If you could fix stupid, clearly you wouldn't post such stupid things. Of course the website would have been changed if Trump had changed his tax plan, and of course whatever he proposes will have to be negotiated, and of course a tax cut for the rich will be the most unpopular part of his plan and the most likely to have to be modified, but hardly any legislation is passed in its original form.If that weren't his current tax plan, why would he still have it up on his website?
*sigh* ....Are you playing dumb or did you not comprehend what I posted? His "official" tax plan hasn't changed. He's not going to change his website every time he alters or moderates something he has said. Are you really that naive and moronic?
Again, in an interview with Wolf Blitzer, the day after Ted Cruz suspended his campaign, he said he was "not a big fan" of "that part" of his tax plan. "That part" meaning, the tax cuts for top marginal tax payers. He said, "we'll have to look at that... I'm not a big fan of that part, those cuts will probably go because we have to tax the rich..." He went on to explain how his tax proposal was a proposal and that it would have to be negotiated. But when you are willing to surrender on the top marginal tax cuts before you even get to the negotiating table, you can rest assured those are gone... won't happen. Again... if you're just too stupid to understand this, I can't fix stupid. So before his tax plan even gets started, the top marginal tax cuts part is DOA. He has already surrendered it. Again... IF you want to point to his website and be naive and stupid... that's up to you.
What you don't seem to be able to understand is that while Ted Cruz was wholly focused on the way he thought things should be whether it was possible or not, Trump is always focused on getting the best deal - as he would put it - that is possible. That's why Cruz lost and Trump won: no one believed Cruz would be able to get anything done.
Again... if you are such a moron that you don't understand how Trump is now on record saying he will cave on the top marginal tax rate cuts in his tax plan, I can't help you. You're just a moron. This is also evidenced by your liberal parroting of "tax cuts for the rich" like some kind of left-wing idiot. We don't tax wealth... we tax incomes.
Ted Cruz was a conservative who stood on conservative principles. You and Trump seem to be liberal lightweights. The problem with that is, you're about your ass kicked by a liberal heavyweight.
You are a defender of the true faith of conservatism, just as Sanders' supporters are defenders of the true faith of socialism, and that makes you both irrelevant to the real world. Your posts show you see the world as a dichotomy of conservative and liberal without realizing the everything that gets done is done by people in the middle. Trump is a pragmatist who leans right and who will get as much of his tax reform plan into law as is possible. Cruz is a rigid dogmatist who is too inflexible to be able to get anything done.
Here is where you are wrong. Conservatism is not an ideology. Socialism is an ideology. You can even say "social conservatism" is an ideology or "neo-conservative" is an ideology. But Conservatism itself is a philosophy. It is the pragmatic counter philosophy to extreme radicalism. It can encompass several ideologies including libertarian and liberalism. Yes, there are conservative liberals.
True conservative values are time-tested wisdom and experience with a pragmatic and measured approach to problem solving. In essence, this IS the moderate position. You may say you are moderately radical or extremely radical in contrast to conservative. Therefore, you could be an extreme radical social conservative and that's not really a true conservative.
Trump's base are nationalist-populist-agrarians and they are extremists. These types of movements have emerged throughout history and they can be dangerous. This is precisely the type of movement which drove Nazism in Germany and Mao's revolution in China.
Now... over the past 30-35 years, the progressive left has done a successful hit job on Conservatism. They have transformed popular understanding of Conservatism into a Frankenstein ideology comprised of all the worst aspects of radical ideology associated with the right. Indeed, they call Conservatives "far right" when in actuality, there is no such thing in American politics. The so-called "far right" are mostly anarchist types like Tim McVeigh, skinheads, neo-Nazis. These people represent a very small sliver of society and have no political power.
Backpedaling? How am I doing that? I never said that I was going to vote for Hillary. You're the one now trying to backpedal on the lie you told to start with. "Toying with the idea" is not stating you are "going to do" any damn thing. Are you confused here? What IS backpedaling if it's not changing what you originally said?
ideology: a system of ideas and ideals, especially one that forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy. Clearly, conservatism is an ideology no matter how you believe this system of beliefs was arrived at.
no he like you made a fool of himself ... talked for so many hours then everything went back to normal he didn't shut down anything ...His single handed shutdown over the budget dispute over obamacare is what got him on the national map. It was a loser from day one, no one wanted in on it. Having principles is one thing but picking losing fights helps no one and only hurt the party.That's why Cruz lost and Trump won: no one believed Cruz would be able to get anything done.
and we get to watch them be shot one by one ... just like at a shooting gallery... repub-lie-tards dropping like flies that just got sprayed by raidWhy's that? If the bitch wins I would just watch people across the country loading their vehicles up getting ready to defend this country from that bitch by making sure she never takes office. She has already proven she will cheat to win so not like its going to be a legit election anyways. We have turned into a banana republicI can't wait to see you guys on November 9.
The butthurt will be hilarious.
thats the problem with repub-lie-tards... they take the mundane ... then try to turn it into something thats its not, then they get the ass handed to each and every time ...she was wrong about bosnia ..we get it ...but it did happen the fact that she said bosnia you lap on to that like the lap dog you are she never lied she misspoke about bosniahey republicans eat their own whats new... hillary hasn't to really try and do anything she just repeats what he said and trump losses it ... not a person i would want with the nuke codes at his beck and call ...I don't know if that's the case - Conservative media created and exacerbated this rage....
No... the Conservative media didn't cause this. If you want to blame the feckless establishment GOP leadership who repeatedly capitulated to Obama and ignored the voice of the people who gave them the House and Senate... that's a more accurate assessment. The Conservatives TRIED to make a stand and they were castigated and smeared by the likes of Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham.
They fielded several candidates... Cruz, Paul, Walker and Carson, who stood for strong Conservative values and principles but ended up splitting the Conservative vote, while Trump appealed to this new "populist" movement by being brash and politically incorrect. He won with less than a majority of the GOP vote and he's the candidate representing the GOP now.
Now that's all fine and well, but traditionally, the nominee will at least make some gesture or attempt to unify the party... to bring in the various assorted factions to focus on a universal objective which is to defeat Hillary Clinton. But instead of doing this, Trump seems intent on alienating those voters in every way possible. He seems to want to thumb his nose at unification and pretend that his minority of populist support is a unified party who can defeat Clinton. The numbers just aren't there. He cannot win without the support of the rest of the party... he sure as hell can't win by smearing and insulting the hell out of them and on the sole point of not being Hillary Clinton.
You would rather have a person who blamed telling the Bosnia lie for over a year on sleep deprivation? Man that kind of thinking is really scary.
I may be wrong but I don't believe one man can pick up the phone and launch a nuclear war. Even on the submarines that launch the missiles one man does not have the ability to launch missiles. I don't want any ONE person having such power.
i think it's pretty sad how wingnuts like him play the false equivalency game overt this, as if this is somehow on the same level as some of the whoppers Combover Caligula has been caught saying.
thats all they have...oh now youre a mind reader ... seems the missed that in the hearing ... what next are you going to try and push she did nothing to help them ... that she went to bed instead of try to save them ??? are you going to try that bull shit story too??? then try to tell us that it was on her emails she erased ??? is this your best to try and get us liberals to vote for trump??/ good luck with the bunch of bull shit
No, I realize you're never going to vote for Trump. I realize you're never going to believe that she was involved in a covert gun-running operation or any other scandal she's ever been involved in. I've written you people off a LONG time ago... unlike Trump who seems to think he can coax the Bernie voters over by adopting the Liberal Progressive talking points.
The main reason these things aren't believed is because they've been scrutinized to death and the only ones who still believe there's anything to them are nutbags such as yourself.
thats when he loses to hillaryBackpedaling? How am I doing that? I never said that I was going to vote for Hillary. You're the one now trying to backpedal on the lie you told to start with. "Toying with the idea" is not stating you are "going to do" any damn thing. Are you confused here? What IS backpedaling if it's not changing what you originally said?
The thing that upsets you is that Trump won't kiss your ring.. because he doesn't have to.
Trump isn't a conservative, a Christian or a Libertarian. He was still able to win the GOP nomination, and before he loses to Hillary, he will still get people like you to vote for him.
that he would make himself look like a lying idiot ... trump jumped all over itAs for Cruz, he made a promise and didn't keep it.
What promise was that?
As you said, this not the first time Americans are faced with choosing the lesser of two evils. The logical thing to do is forget about all campaign bluster and picture each candidate in office. How well will each candidate be able to work with congress, our allies, and our enemies? Which candidate has the experience and knowledge to perform well in a time of crisis?Many of us are faced with a very vexing conundrum this election season. We seem to find ourselves with no suitable choices for the presidency of the United States. What's worse, the closer we get to November, the more our choices seem to be completely unacceptable. In the past, perhaps we've had to hold our proverbial noses and vote for the lesser of two evils but what do you do when the evils are equally bad?
I am a conservative who supported Ted Cruz. However, I never dismissed the possibility of voting for Donald Trump, should he prevail in winning the nomination. In fact, I vociferously defended some of his earlier statements regarding illegals being mostly criminals and Mexico paying for the wall. I even defended his remarks about McCain's war hero status insulating him from criticism over policy. My sentiments for Trump began to change after his attacks on Megyn Kelly, which I also dismissed as trivial nonsense. Trump began to attack people who hadn't really attacked him. First, it was Carly Fiorina with comments about her looks. Then it was Ben Carson with comments likening him to a child molester. He went on to attack Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. Not just attacks on policy but personal attacks, sleazy and lowdown gutter-level stuff.
Okay... So it's a political campaign and he's trying to win the nomination. The Democrats are going to be sleazy and nasty, so... maybe it's okay for Trump to run such a strategy in the primaries and maybe it's fair to say the candidates who couldn't withstand such attacks didn't deserve the win? I can live with that. I can find a way to dismiss all the smearing and sleazy underhanded lies and distortions because this is a rough game and maybe we need someone who can play it well like Trump? Rolling into the convention, I was willing to forgive all the crap he threw at Cruz for the sake of unifying the party so we could defeat Hillary Clinton. I think a lot of you were ready to do the same. Then came the set up of Cruz and the post-convention speech.
For the next several days, the bashing and smearing of Ted Cruz from the primaries was revived and Trump along with his supporters seemed to take great joy in trashing and bashing Cruz one more time. And this persisted until Trump turned his attention to bashing and trashing a Gold Star father who spoke at the Democratic Convention. So now, we've spent the last several days on that. Any bounce Trump may have gotten from his convention is gone. Hillary is back on top in all the polls and with the negative press Trump is now getting, look for her numbers to go up even more in the coming days. His supporters, undaunted, continue to try and explain, justify and turn the worm on the Gold Star father... completely oblivious to Hillary who is running away with the election.
The Hill reports that a recent poll conducted of the military vote, shows Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate leading both Trump and Clinton. This is shocking because the GOP historically wins this vote by a huge majority. Key Republican congressmen are now coming out in support of Hillary Clinton. Other Republicans are reluctant to endorse Trump or be seen campaigning with him. He continues to completely alienate the Conservative base and try to appeal to the Bernie Sanders voters. There is turmoil within his campaign staff... people abandoning ship left and right. And we all wait for the next bombastic and inflammatory comment to come spewing out of Trump's uncontrollable mouth.
What are we to do? It's a real conundrum for some of us. We can't vote for Hillary Clinton... but how the hell can we vote for someone like Donald Trump? This election should be a cakewalk for virtually ANY competent or half-way-competent republican. Instead, we seem to be stuck with someone who doesn't even seem to like most republicans and certainly doesn't seem to stand for very many conservative principles. He continues to pander to the left, change his positions from what he ran on in the primaries, and attack with viciousness, anyone who dares to disagree with him in any way. This is a mess and there are no signs that things are improving. His small and dwindling base of support seems content to continue defending his outrageous comments and bombastic remarks, they don't want to try and hold him accountable or pull him back. As awkward as it may be, they are out there jumping to his defense. Two weeks removed from the convention and still not focused on Hillary Clinton.
I've got news for you people, you're not helping Donald Trump. You're sure as hell not helping defeat Hillary Clinton. If this continues, perhaps you morons deserve to have Trump burn your party to the ground. It's just a shame that this nation is unfortunately going to have to endure another 8 years of progressive liberalism.. aka:Marxist Socialism at the hands of the most corrupt and crooked politician in history. I honestly don't know if we can survive that, but it's becoming more and more inevitable every day. Trump and his supporters simply don't act like they want to win this election.
that he would make himself look like a lying idiot ... trump jumped all over itAs for Cruz, he made a promise and didn't keep it.
What promise was that?
As you said, this not the first time Americans are faced with choosing the lesser of two evils. The logical thing to do is forget about all campaign bluster and picture each candidate in office. How well will each candidate be able to work with congress, our allies, and our enemies? Which candidate has the experience and knowledge to perform well in a time of crisis?Many of us are faced with a very vexing conundrum this election season. We seem to find ourselves with no suitable choices for the presidency of the United States. What's worse, the closer we get to November, the more our choices seem to be completely unacceptable. In the past, perhaps we've had to hold our proverbial noses and vote for the lesser of two evils but what do you do when the evils are equally bad?
I am a conservative who supported Ted Cruz. However, I never dismissed the possibility of voting for Donald Trump, should he prevail in winning the nomination. In fact, I vociferously defended some of his earlier statements regarding illegals being mostly criminals and Mexico paying for the wall. I even defended his remarks about McCain's war hero status insulating him from criticism over policy. My sentiments for Trump began to change after his attacks on Megyn Kelly, which I also dismissed as trivial nonsense. Trump began to attack people who hadn't really attacked him. First, it was Carly Fiorina with comments about her looks. Then it was Ben Carson with comments likening him to a child molester. He went on to attack Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. Not just attacks on policy but personal attacks, sleazy and lowdown gutter-level stuff.
Okay... So it's a political campaign and he's trying to win the nomination. The Democrats are going to be sleazy and nasty, so... maybe it's okay for Trump to run such a strategy in the primaries and maybe it's fair to say the candidates who couldn't withstand such attacks didn't deserve the win? I can live with that. I can find a way to dismiss all the smearing and sleazy underhanded lies and distortions because this is a rough game and maybe we need someone who can play it well like Trump? Rolling into the convention, I was willing to forgive all the crap he threw at Cruz for the sake of unifying the party so we could defeat Hillary Clinton. I think a lot of you were ready to do the same. Then came the set up of Cruz and the post-convention speech.
For the next several days, the bashing and smearing of Ted Cruz from the primaries was revived and Trump along with his supporters seemed to take great joy in trashing and bashing Cruz one more time. And this persisted until Trump turned his attention to bashing and trashing a Gold Star father who spoke at the Democratic Convention. So now, we've spent the last several days on that. Any bounce Trump may have gotten from his convention is gone. Hillary is back on top in all the polls and with the negative press Trump is now getting, look for her numbers to go up even more in the coming days. His supporters, undaunted, continue to try and explain, justify and turn the worm on the Gold Star father... completely oblivious to Hillary who is running away with the election.
The Hill reports that a recent poll conducted of the military vote, shows Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate leading both Trump and Clinton. This is shocking because the GOP historically wins this vote by a huge majority. Key Republican congressmen are now coming out in support of Hillary Clinton. Other Republicans are reluctant to endorse Trump or be seen campaigning with him. He continues to completely alienate the Conservative base and try to appeal to the Bernie Sanders voters. There is turmoil within his campaign staff... people abandoning ship left and right. And we all wait for the next bombastic and inflammatory comment to come spewing out of Trump's uncontrollable mouth.
What are we to do? It's a real conundrum for some of us. We can't vote for Hillary Clinton... but how the hell can we vote for someone like Donald Trump? This election should be a cakewalk for virtually ANY competent or half-way-competent republican. Instead, we seem to be stuck with someone who doesn't even seem to like most republicans and certainly doesn't seem to stand for very many conservative principles. He continues to pander to the left, change his positions from what he ran on in the primaries, and attack with viciousness, anyone who dares to disagree with him in any way. This is a mess and there are no signs that things are improving. His small and dwindling base of support seems content to continue defending his outrageous comments and bombastic remarks, they don't want to try and hold him accountable or pull him back. As awkward as it may be, they are out there jumping to his defense. Two weeks removed from the convention and still not focused on Hillary Clinton.
I've got news for you people, you're not helping Donald Trump. You're sure as hell not helping defeat Hillary Clinton. If this continues, perhaps you morons deserve to have Trump burn your party to the ground. It's just a shame that this nation is unfortunately going to have to endure another 8 years of progressive liberalism.. aka:Marxist Socialism at the hands of the most corrupt and crooked politician in history. I honestly don't know if we can survive that, but it's becoming more and more inevitable every day. Trump and his supporters simply don't act like they want to win this election.
Neither Trump nor Clinton is going to accomplish anything even close to what they promise.
heaven forbid ... are you telling us the tedster lied to the doc??? who would have thunk itthat he would make himself look like a lying idiot ... trump jumped all over itAs for Cruz, he made a promise and didn't keep it.
What promise was that?
Oh, but I thought the Tedster kept that promise pretty nicely when he screwed over Dr. Carson in the primaries.
To support the nominee.As for Cruz, he made a promise and didn't keep it.
What promise was that?
To support the nominee.As for Cruz, he made a promise and didn't keep it.
What promise was that?
As you said, this not the first time Americans are faced with choosing the lesser of two evils. The logical thing to do is forget about all campaign bluster and picture each candidate in office. How well will each candidate be able to work with congress, our allies, and our enemies? Which candidate has the experience and knowledge to perform well in a time of crisis?
Neither Trump nor Clinton is going to accomplish anything even close to what they promise.
Great Goose ... I do believe it's a 4 year term ... unless re-elected.
Nevertheless, I'm in it for Trump. Yes, he's running a less-than-usual campaign - loud, brash, provocative - certainly not a "3 piece suit" sort of campaign. I'll confess I didn't read the OPs long post word for word ... but I do have a few remarks. As to Megyn Kelly - she got what she deserved. She threw out her hardcore feminist jab with great deliberation - a side of her that I had never seen in the past. Trump gave her back as good as she gave out. And then she immediately chopped off her hair most unattractively into a masculine looking mess ... I pretty much quit watching Fox News because of her. I've recently started watching again on a "hit or miss" basis. In fact, Greta had a wonderful interview with Ivanka Trump last night - and after that I flipped to another channel.
We've certainly seen what 8 years of Obama has given us. If you've read any book at all BY him or about him, you have to know that he has no love for this country and has lived his entire life under the influence of communism and Muslim teachings ... and that's where his sympathies lie. If you've read anything at all about either of the Clintons or about Hillary specifically you would know their history and what we'd be headed for if she's elected to what would amount to a 3rd presidential term ... remember we were getting "two for the price of one" when Bill Clinton ran for the office?
Do we know what we're getting if Trump is elected? No. Not really - but I'd far rather take my chances with an unknown Trump than a known Hillary. Think about this: there's probably a pretty good chance that Trump has not gone into business deals all these years with the kind of bravado he's now showing or nobody would deal with him ... and I'm certain given his financial/business/social position there is what I like to call "a tuxedo side" of Trump.
Here's the thing - for the first time in decades ... someone has stood up and spoken for the voices of people who are never heard in Congress and we, too, regardless how poor, are citizens of this country. Regardless of party affiliation or country - politics is about power, money, prestige, and personal gain.
megyn Kelly got what she deserved?
you're a brain dead twit. no wonder you're voting for dumb Donald.
I know you won't agree with this, but my guess is their opinion is that Trump is causing their party grave damage, and they don't want to participate.But I thought that Republicans are the bad guys? You're either with Trump, or you're the enemy - THAT is the message that is CONSTANTLY being sent.Kudos on being honest about having mixed feelings - unfortunately there is a pretty high percentage of hardcore partisan ideologues from both ends on this board, meaning it's usually black & white, all or nothing, them or us. Good on you, seriously.I don't know that I can stand behind either of these candidates. I'm smart enough to realize a third party vote is a waste and I don't really like the Johnson option anyway... I think the guy is a nutball. His running mate is even more of a loose marble.
BUT... This is not about who I vote for... this is about the campaign Trump is running which is going to end in disaster. He simply cannot continue to attack everyone who isn't worshiping at his feet. You don't win over voters by attacking them and calling them losers that you don't need anyway.... that strategy will fail. You don't go off the reservation attacking a Gold Star father, regardless of who he is or what he does or what connections he has where... none of that shit matters to most Americans.
All of this time squandered the past two weeks attacking Ted Cruz again and then attacking a democrat hack who spoke at the Democrat convention... it's stupidity on a phenomenal scale. He's running against HILLARY CLINTON! FOCUS! Or, you're going to lose!
Your party has been hijacked by the wrong voices, and Trump is the result. The "more conservative vs. more moderate" battle - one that is perfectly reasonable, say, Cruz or Kasich, is what should have happened. Instead, the party was invaded by a fraud, a guy who clearly should have run as an Independent but knew he needed the GOP's infrastructure to have a chance. He ran a con and it worked, at least so far.
Take comfort in the fact that you're sure as hell not alone. Many decent Republicans have lined up against this guy, most recently Meg Whitman this morning.
The more reasonable, rational, clear-thinking elements of the party need to take a stand pretty quickly here.
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Meg Whitman is a traitor to the party.
If she calls herself a Republican, she should stay and fight inside the party infrastructure. How on earth someone can claim to be one thing, then suddenly side with of all the people the Clintons ? She's not only voting for her, but she will be endorsing her and sending money her way. I would spit in her face if I could.
I'm not happy about Trump either, but I would never ever stoop to what this bitch and some others in the party are doing.
Ryan is a RINO. Kasich is a RINO. Christie is a RINO. Rubio is a RINO. On and on.
Yet somehow Trump isn't. Can you really blame people who have always been Republicans for no longer feeling welcome?
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It's one thing to not feel welcome, it's another to run to the other side and help them.
I could respect someone for not checking the box for president, or voting third party, but what this Benedict Arnold is doing is unforgivable.
They'd rather lose the election than see their party burned to the ground.
That's some pretty strong stuff, but that has to be what they're thinking. For them, they're trying to save their party.
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I know you won't agree with this, but my guess is their opinion is that Trump is causing their party grave damage, and they don't want to participate.But I thought that Republicans are the bad guys? You're either with Trump, or you're the enemy - THAT is the message that is CONSTANTLY being sent.Kudos on being honest about having mixed feelings - unfortunately there is a pretty high percentage of hardcore partisan ideologues from both ends on this board, meaning it's usually black & white, all or nothing, them or us. Good on you, seriously.
Your party has been hijacked by the wrong voices, and Trump is the result. The "more conservative vs. more moderate" battle - one that is perfectly reasonable, say, Cruz or Kasich, is what should have happened. Instead, the party was invaded by a fraud, a guy who clearly should have run as an Independent but knew he needed the GOP's infrastructure to have a chance. He ran a con and it worked, at least so far.
Take comfort in the fact that you're sure as hell not alone. Many decent Republicans have lined up against this guy, most recently Meg Whitman this morning.
The more reasonable, rational, clear-thinking elements of the party need to take a stand pretty quickly here.
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Meg Whitman is a traitor to the party.
If she calls herself a Republican, she should stay and fight inside the party infrastructure. How on earth someone can claim to be one thing, then suddenly side with of all the people the Clintons ? She's not only voting for her, but she will be endorsing her and sending money her way. I would spit in her face if I could.
I'm not happy about Trump either, but I would never ever stoop to what this bitch and some others in the party are doing.
Ryan is a RINO. Kasich is a RINO. Christie is a RINO. Rubio is a RINO. On and on.
Yet somehow Trump isn't. Can you really blame people who have always been Republicans for no longer feeling welcome?
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It's one thing to not feel welcome, it's another to run to the other side and help them.
I could respect someone for not checking the box for president, or voting third party, but what this Benedict Arnold is doing is unforgivable.
They'd rather lose the election than see their party burned to the ground.
That's some pretty strong stuff, but that has to be what they're thinking. For them, they're trying to save their party.
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I don't see leaving and helping the other side as a very effective way of "saving" the party.
