The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity

[JBeukema]

Hey, Bo

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[freedombecki]

George Washington

Prayer at Valley Forge, by Arnold Friberg

God bless the Father of our Country and Christian Founder

"he wasn't a Christian god dammit, Christians would not have let Bode be gay"

Oops I just nailed it right there. Bode refuses to admit that Christians, even back then, were not for forcing people conform by governmental decree.

This is nothing more than a thinly veiled attack on Christianity by Bode.

Some people aren't aware of what General George Washington was up against when he pled our struggling nation of Christian pilgrims and others' case to Jesus in prayer.

This about sums it up:

Valley Forge was an encampment of the Continental Army in Pennsylvania, just about 20 miles south of Philadelphia. General Washington's troops stayed there from December of 1777 to June of 1778. In 1776, George Washington and his troops crossed the mighty Delaware River. They then fought the Battle of Trenton which decided whether or not General Washington and his troops would stay at Valley Forge.

The first three months that the troops spent at Valley Forge were most definitely the hardest. The troops did not have proper clothing. Many soldiers went without boots and some did not even have other articles of warm clothing. For the first couple of months the troops were there, they began to make log cabins out of wood. It was very hard to put 11,000 men into a wood lot south of Philadelphia.

The troops who camped at Valley Forge for those three months often got sick from the cold. They were also hungry most of the time. It was very hard to survive; one troop expressed it through his words, "half the army are naked, and almost the whole army go barefoot."

The men at Valley Forge did not have many other supplies either. The men were short on guns which many men provided themselves. They were also short on food and money. Some of the officers there did not get paid because the Continental Congress did not have the money to pay them. The troops needed money to buy the proper supplies.​

Credits for quotation: American Revolution: Valley Forge

 

[bodecea]

Hey, Bo

Free Online Course Materials | MIT OpenCourseWare

JBeukema....I graduated from college before the Internet. Heck, I graduated before the PC came out.

 

[bodecea]

George Washington

Prayer at Valley Forge, by Arnold Friberg

God bless the Father of our Country and Christian Founder

"he wasn't a Christian god dammit, Christians would not have let Bode be gay"

Oops I just nailed it right there. Bode refuses to admit that Christians, even back then, were not for forcing people conform by governmental decree.

This is nothing more than a thinly veiled attack on Christianity by Bode.

Some people aren't aware of what General George Washington was up against when he pled our struggling nation of Christian pilgrims and others' case to Jesus in prayer.

This about sums it up:

Valley Forge was an encampment of the Continental Army in Pennsylvania, just about 20 miles south of Philadelphia. General Washington's troops stayed there from December of 1777 to June of 1778. In 1776, George Washington and his troops crossed the mighty Delaware River. They then fought the Battle of Trenton which decided whether or not General Washington and his troops would stay at Valley Forge.

The first three months that the troops spent at Valley Forge were most definitely the hardest. The troops did not have proper clothing. Many soldiers went without boots and some did not even have other articles of warm clothing. For the first couple of months the troops were there, they began to make log cabins out of wood. It was very hard to put 11,000 men into a wood lot south of Philadelphia.

The troops who camped at Valley Forge for those three months often got sick from the cold. They were also hungry most of the time. It was very hard to survive; one troop expressed it through his words, "half the army are naked, and almost the whole army go barefoot."

The men at Valley Forge did not have many other supplies either. The men were short on guns which many men provided themselves. They were also short on food and money. Some of the officers there did not get paid because the Continental Congress did not have the money to pay them. The troops needed money to buy the proper supplies.​

Credits for quotation: American Revolution: Valley Forge

I'm am quite aware that Washington was a religious man...he checked all the proprieties of a proper Virginia Planter.

As a side bar...one of the best things that happened to the Continental Army during Valley Forge was Von Steuben having the time to train them like proper troops.

 

[JBeukema]

Hey, Bo

Free Online Course Materials | MIT OpenCourseWare

JBeukema....I graduated from college before the Internet. Heck, I graduated before the PC came out.

Your point?

 

[freedombecki]

The First Prayer of the Continental Congress, 1774

O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee. To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle!

Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.

Amen.

Reverend Jacob Duché
Rector of Christ Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
September 7, 1774, 9 o’clock a.m.
Credits: First Prayer of the Continental Congress, Office of the Chaplain
​

 

[bodecea]

The First Prayer of the Continental Congress, 1774

O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee. To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle!

Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.

Amen.

Reverend Jacob Duché
Rector of Christ Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
September 7, 1774, 9 o’clock a.m.
Credits: First Prayer of the Continental Congress, Office of the Chaplain
​

Colonial times....that's a nice prayer....is it law?

 

[AllieBaba]

Where in the definition of the word "found" is the word "law"?

 

[Gadawg73]

You just continue to prove you're a liar don't you. I even posted an online class guide from a college that uses four digit class designations.

You've NEVER attended college, guarantee it.

Oooooh...an ONLINE college. Carry on.....

Eastern Carolina is not an online college, and they are NOT the only college to use four digit class designations , you lying troll.

I know of East Carolina Pirates as I was born near there and they recruited a lot of boys my son played football with. One plays there now.
Never heard of Eastern Carolina.

 

[AllieBaba]

The First Prayer of the Continental Congress, 1774​

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O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee. To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle!
​

Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.

Amen.​

Reverend Jacob Duché
Rector of Christ Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
September 7, 1774, 9 o’clock a.m.
Credits: First Prayer of the Continental Congress, Office of the Chaplain​

Colonial times....that's a nice prayer....is it law?

Where is the word *law* in the definition of found?

Oh that's right...you didn't see the definition any of the multiple times I posted it. Maybe it's a vision thing:

"
Webster's 1913 Dictionary
imp. & p. 1.imp. & p. p. of Find.v. t.1.To form by melting a metal, and pouring it into a mold; to cast. [imp. & p. p. Founded; p. pr. & vb. n. Founding.]
n.1.A thin, single-cut file for combmakers.v. t.1.To lay the basis of; to set, or place, as on something solid, for support; to ground; to establish upon a basis, literal or figurative; to fix firmly. [imp. & p. p. Founded; p. pr. & vb. n. Founding.]
I had else been perfect,
Whole as the marble, founded as the rock. - Shak.

A man that all his time
Hath founded his good fortunes on your love. - Shak.

It fell not, for it was founded on a rock. - Matt. vii. 25.

2.To take the ffirst steps or measures in erecting or building up; to furnish the materials for beginning; to begin to raise; to originate; as, to found a college; to found a family. There they shall found
Their government, and their great senate choose."

Found - Definition of Found by Webster's Online Dictionary

 

[AllieBaba]

The First Prayer of the Continental Congress, 1774​

​

O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee. To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle!
​

Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.

Amen.​

Reverend Jacob Duché
Rector of Christ Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
September 7, 1774, 9 o’clock a.m.
Credits: First Prayer of the Continental Congress, Office of the Chaplain​

Colonial times....that's a nice prayer....is it law?

Where is the word *law* in the definition of found?

Oh that's right...you didn't see the definition any of the multiple times I posted it. Maybe it's a vision thing:

"
Webster's 1913 Dictionary
imp. & p. 1.imp. & p. p. of Find.v. t.1.To form by melting a metal, and pouring it into a mold; to cast. [imp. & p. p. Founded; p. pr. & vb. n. Founding.]
n.1.A thin, single-cut file for combmakers.v. t.1.To lay the basis of; to set, or place, as on something solid, for support; to ground; to establish upon a basis, literal or figurative; to fix firmly. [imp. & p. p. Founded; p. pr. & vb. n. Founding.]
I had else been perfect,
Whole as the marble, founded as the rock. - Shak.

A man that all his time
Hath founded his good fortunes on your love. - Shak.

It fell not, for it was founded on a rock. - Matt. vii. 25.

2.To take the ffirst steps or measures in erecting or building up; to furnish the materials for beginning; to begin to raise; to originate; as, to found a college; to found a family. There they shall found
Their government, and their great senate choose."

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[Gadawg73]

The famous line you quoted is not in the Constitution nor in any of the Founder Fathers' writings, letters, or papers, however. It is a clause (Article 11?) in a treaty with Tripoli and the wording was to reassure that nation that American Christianity would not be a hindrance or issue due to their being a Muslim nation. I don't remember the exact date but do know it was a number of years after our Constitution was ratified. 1797 comes to mind.

You obviously know nothing about the law and our system of government.
Words mean words. Spin it all you want but I quote verbatim.
Treaties mean what they say. Where was the opposition to this?
The no religous test further illustrates that the Founders wanted no religous influences in government.

Sir, for a number of years the Founders conducted Christian worship services IN THE CHAMBERS of CONGRESS!!! They believed this legal since attendance at the services was purely voluntary. Almost to a man, they emphasized that our system of government and our Constitution would not stand except in the care of a religious and moral people.

That you cannot differentiate between that and a subsequent line in a treaty with a Muslim nation says far more about your lack of understanding of law and system of government than mine.

George Washington: “What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.”

George Washington: “It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.”

George Washington: "It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.”

George Washington: “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable.” (Thanksgiving Proclamation 1789)


George Washington: “True religion affords to government its surest support.”

“I … [rely] upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.” - Samuel Adams

Samuel Adams: “We have this day [Fourth of July] restored the Sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in Heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His Kingdom come.”

Samuel Adams: “The United States in Congress assembled … recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States … a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools.”

- United States Congress 1782

“Congress passed this resolution: “The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.” - United States Congress 1782

“By Law the United States Congress adds to US coinage:” “In God We Trust”- United States Congress 1864

John Adams: “The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.”

John Adams: "The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”

John Adams: “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.”

John Adams: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

John Adams: "[The Fourth of July] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”

John Adams: “As the safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essentially depend on the protection and the blessing of Almighty God, and the national acknowledgment of this truth is not only an indispensable duty which the people owe to Him.”

Patrick Henry: "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ."


John Jay, First Chief-Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court: "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty – as well as privilege and interest – of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."


Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence: “The only foundation for . . . a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.”

John Witherspoon, Continental Congress: “He is the best friend to American liberty, who is most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion, and who sets himself with the greatest firmness to bear down on profanity and immorality of every kind. Whoever is an avowed enemy of God, I scruple not to call him an enemy to his country.”

John Dickinson, signer Constitution of the USA, Continental Congress: “The rights essential to happiness. . . . We claim them from a higher source — from the King of kings and Lord of all the earth.”

Benjamin Franklin: “Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.”

Thomas Jefferson, President: "God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

James Madison: "We have staked the whole future of our new nation, not upon the power of government; far from it. We have staked the future of all our political constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments.”

James Madison: “Religion [is] the basis and foundation of Government”


Noah Webster: "In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed … No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people."

Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story: “I verily believe Christianity necessary to the support of civil society. One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law … There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying its foundations.”

“And this be our motto, ‘In God is our trust’” - USA National Anthem, Third Verse

United States Supreme Court: “This is a Christian nation” - United States Supreme Court Decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892
“Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of The Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian…This is a Christian nation”

Where is it in the LAW.
We are a nation of LAWS, not men and their various and changing religous views and opinions.
There are so many denominations and Christian beliefs in this country:
WHICH ONE WERE WE FOUNDED ON?
My ancestors are Quaker. They fought slavery and had Friendship churches.
Are you claiming we were founded on their beliefs?

 

[TheBrain]

Hey, Bo

Free Online Course Materials | MIT OpenCourseWare

JBeukema....I graduated from college before the Internet. Heck, I graduated before the PC came out.

Complete lie.


As an aside. What kind of idiot asks if a painting is real?

Oh apologies to GaDawg, I believe it was his, for writing East Carolina, as Eastern Carolina. Not that big of an error, but I don't want to seem like the liar Bode.

 

[freedombecki]

The First Prayer of the Continental Congress, 1774

O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee. To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle!

Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.

Amen.

Reverend Jacob Duché
Rector of Christ Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
September 7, 1774, 9 o’clock a.m.
Credits: First Prayer of the Continental Congress, Office of the Chaplain
​

Colonial times....that's a nice prayer....is it law?

Why yes it is. It is God's law.

It contributed to the forging of this Christian Nation, as did then-General Washington's famous prayer at Valley Forge. God answered his people. He defended and brought victory to naked, barefoot soldiers. It is God's doing, giving our rag-tag, work-a-day American patriots land on which they could return his kindnesses by opposing oppressors, feeding the hungry, nursing the poor and the refuse of humanity who came here sick, hungry, some in chains of slavery. The Congress would not exist to create the nation it envisioned if each state declared itself a closed society of religious fanatics and killed all "infidels." The founders were Christians to a man, including Thomas Jefferson. As writer of the Constitution, it was necessary to omit religious references, even Christian ones due to the diversity of dissent it would have disabled the formation of the United States of America. It was wiser than letting different Christian sects take out unity on one point or another.

On Jefferson's Christianity in his own words: http://www.sciencedigest.org/jefferson_religion.htm

That's why we are a Christian Nation, and it is my prayer that we will improve in the worthiness that accompanies true faith and belief in God's grace through Jesus Christ.

 

[TheBrain]

You obviously know nothing about the law and our system of government.
Words mean words. Spin it all you want but I quote verbatim.
Treaties mean what they say. Where was the opposition to this?
The no religous test further illustrates that the Founders wanted no religous influences in government.

Sir, for a number of years the Founders conducted Christian worship services IN THE CHAMBERS of CONGRESS!!! They believed this legal since attendance at the services was purely voluntary. Almost to a man, they emphasized that our system of government and our Constitution would not stand except in the care of a religious and moral people.

That you cannot differentiate between that and a subsequent line in a treaty with a Muslim nation says far more about your lack of understanding of law and system of government than mine.

George Washington: “What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.”

George Washington: “It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.”

George Washington: "It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.”

George Washington: “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable.” (Thanksgiving Proclamation 1789)


George Washington: “True religion affords to government its surest support.”

“I … [rely] upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.” - Samuel Adams

Samuel Adams: “We have this day [Fourth of July] restored the Sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in Heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His Kingdom come.”

Samuel Adams: “The United States in Congress assembled … recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States … a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools.”

- United States Congress 1782

“Congress passed this resolution: “The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.” - United States Congress 1782

“By Law the United States Congress adds to US coinage:” “In God We Trust”- United States Congress 1864

John Adams: “The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.”

John Adams: "The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”

John Adams: “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.”

John Adams: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

John Adams: "[The Fourth of July] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”

John Adams: “As the safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essentially depend on the protection and the blessing of Almighty God, and the national acknowledgment of this truth is not only an indispensable duty which the people owe to Him.”

Patrick Henry: "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ."


John Jay, First Chief-Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court: "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty – as well as privilege and interest – of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."


Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence: “The only foundation for . . . a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.”

John Witherspoon, Continental Congress: “He is the best friend to American liberty, who is most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion, and who sets himself with the greatest firmness to bear down on profanity and immorality of every kind. Whoever is an avowed enemy of God, I scruple not to call him an enemy to his country.”

John Dickinson, signer Constitution of the USA, Continental Congress: “The rights essential to happiness. . . . We claim them from a higher source — from the King of kings and Lord of all the earth.”

Benjamin Franklin: “Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.”

Thomas Jefferson, President: "God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

James Madison: "We have staked the whole future of our new nation, not upon the power of government; far from it. We have staked the future of all our political constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments.”

James Madison: “Religion [is] the basis and foundation of Government”


Noah Webster: "In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed … No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people."

Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story: “I verily believe Christianity necessary to the support of civil society. One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law … There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying its foundations.”

“And this be our motto, ‘In God is our trust’” - USA National Anthem, Third Verse

United States Supreme Court: “This is a Christian nation” - United States Supreme Court Decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892
“Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of The Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian…This is a Christian nation”

Where is it in the LAW.
We are a nation of LAWS, not men and their various and changing religous views and opinions.
There are so many denominations and Christian beliefs in this country:
WHICH ONE WERE WE FOUNDED ON?
My ancestors are Quaker. They fought slavery and had Friendship churches.
Are you claiming we were founded on their beliefs?

You've been arguing this for quite awhile and you could NOT be more wrong. We are NOT a nation based on laws. We are nation based on ideals. Christian ideals. Many countries have codified legal systems very similar to ours, but they are NOT us, why? Because of our ideals.

So you're arguing about laws is a complete strawman.

 

[Gadawg73]

Sir, for a number of years the Founders conducted Christian worship services IN THE CHAMBERS of CONGRESS!!! They believed this legal since attendance at the services was purely voluntary. Almost to a man, they emphasized that our system of government and our Constitution would not stand except in the care of a religious and moral people.

That you cannot differentiate between that and a subsequent line in a treaty with a Muslim nation says far more about your lack of understanding of law and system of government than mine.

George Washington: “What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.”

George Washington: “It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.”

George Washington: "It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.”

George Washington: “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable.” (Thanksgiving Proclamation 1789)


George Washington: “True religion affords to government its surest support.”

“I … [rely] upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.” - Samuel Adams

Samuel Adams: “We have this day [Fourth of July] restored the Sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in Heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His Kingdom come.”

Samuel Adams: “The United States in Congress assembled … recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States … a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools.”

- United States Congress 1782

“Congress passed this resolution: “The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.” - United States Congress 1782

“By Law the United States Congress adds to US coinage:” “In God We Trust”- United States Congress 1864

John Adams: “The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.”

John Adams: "The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”

John Adams: “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.”

John Adams: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

John Adams: "[The Fourth of July] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”

John Adams: “As the safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essentially depend on the protection and the blessing of Almighty God, and the national acknowledgment of this truth is not only an indispensable duty which the people owe to Him.”

Patrick Henry: "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ."


John Jay, First Chief-Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court: "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty – as well as privilege and interest – of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."


Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence: “The only foundation for . . . a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.”

John Witherspoon, Continental Congress: “He is the best friend to American liberty, who is most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion, and who sets himself with the greatest firmness to bear down on profanity and immorality of every kind. Whoever is an avowed enemy of God, I scruple not to call him an enemy to his country.”

John Dickinson, signer Constitution of the USA, Continental Congress: “The rights essential to happiness. . . . We claim them from a higher source — from the King of kings and Lord of all the earth.”

Benjamin Franklin: “Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.”

Thomas Jefferson, President: "God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

James Madison: "We have staked the whole future of our new nation, not upon the power of government; far from it. We have staked the future of all our political constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments.”

James Madison: “Religion [is] the basis and foundation of Government”


Noah Webster: "In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed … No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people."

Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story: “I verily believe Christianity necessary to the support of civil society. One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law … There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying its foundations.”

“And this be our motto, ‘In God is our trust’” - USA National Anthem, Third Verse

United States Supreme Court: “This is a Christian nation” - United States Supreme Court Decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892
“Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of The Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian…This is a Christian nation”

Where is it in the LAW.
We are a nation of LAWS, not men and their various and changing religous views and opinions.
There are so many denominations and Christian beliefs in this country:
WHICH ONE WERE WE FOUNDED ON?
My ancestors are Quaker. They fought slavery and had Friendship churches.
Are you claiming we were founded on their beliefs?

You've been arguing this for quite awhile and you could NOT be more wrong. We are NOT a nation based on laws. We are nation based on ideals. Christian ideals. Many countries have codified legal systems very similar to ours, but they are NOT us, why? Because of our ideals.

So you're arguing about laws is a complete strawman.

What protects you from the power of government? Ideals? LOL.

This is a TRUE CONSERVATIVE site:

A Nation of Laws - Conservative Politics Web Site

Guns, blood, sweat and THE LAW are what this country was founded on.
Ideals? You have got to be kidding.

 

[bodecea]

The First Prayer of the Continental Congress, 1774

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Colonial times....that's a nice prayer....is it law?

Why yes it is. It is God's law.

It contributed to the forging of this Christian Nation, as did then-General Washington's famous prayer at Valley Forge. God answered his people. He defended and brought victory to naked, barefoot soldiers. It is God's doing, giving our rag-tag, work-a-day American patriots land on which they could return his kindnesses by opposing oppressors, feeding the hungry, nursing the poor and the refuse of humanity who came here sick, hungry, some in chains of slavery. The Congress would not exist to create the nation it envisioned if each state declared itself a closed society of religious fanatics and killed all "infidels." The founders were Christians to a man, including Thomas Jefferson. As writer of the Constitution, it was necessary to omit religious references, even Christian ones due to the diversity of dissent it would have disabled the formation of the United States of America. It was wiser than letting different Christian sects take out unity on one point or another.

On Jefferson's Christianity in his own words: http://www.sciencedigest.org/jefferson_religion.htm

That's why we are a Christian Nation, and it is my prayer that we will improve in the worthiness that accompanies true faith and belief in God's grace through Jesus Christ.

Are God's Laws our Country's laws?

 

[Gadawg73]

The belief in God was almost universal with the Founders. God-foundation-founders.
Make the law. No where mentioned in Constitution but as we have been saying a shit load here:
Christianity influenced the Founders in writing the laws but were not the foundation of GOVERNMENT.

 

[TheBrain]

Where is it in the LAW.
We are a nation of LAWS, not men and their various and changing religous views and opinions.
There are so many denominations and Christian beliefs in this country:
WHICH ONE WERE WE FOUNDED ON?
My ancestors are Quaker. They fought slavery and had Friendship churches.
Are you claiming we were founded on their beliefs?

You've been arguing this for quite awhile and you could NOT be more wrong. We are NOT a nation based on laws. We are nation based on ideals. Christian ideals. Many countries have codified legal systems very similar to ours, but they are NOT us, why? Because of our ideals.

So you're arguing about laws is a complete strawman.

What protects you from the power of government? Ideals? LOL.

This is a TRUE CONSERVATIVE site:

A Nation of Laws - Conservative Politics Web Site

Guns, blood, sweat and THE LAW are what this country was founded on.
Ideals? You have got to be kidding.

Do you REALLY think laws protect you from anything? If that were so then the law making murder illegal would mean no one would commit murder. But that obviously is not the case.

What keeps people from being murdered is people's ideals telling them not to murder.

Our founding father's ideals told them that man was created equal and that was a basis for a new nation. A very Christ like ideal. And hey to be truthful that is an ideal espoused by many religions, BUT those religions weren't represented by any of the founding fathers, so we know they aren't the basis for our nation.

 

[TheBrain]

The belief in God was almost universal with the Founders. God-foundation-founders.
Make the law. No where mentioned in Constitution but as we have been saying a shit load here:
Christianity influenced the Founders in writing the laws but were not the foundation of GOVERNMENT.

You guys are ridiculous. You're saying that because we aren't a theocracy that there is noway we were founded on Christian principles.

NO ONE could really be as stupid as some of you are acting.