The Unenforceability of abortion bans

[Nostra]

Blues Man still has not given his definition of “viable”.

 

[Flash]

At the moment of conception, the VERY moment, it is a separate living entity with unique human DNA. It is entitled to the same right to life the rest of us are.

You are wasting your time telling the Moon Bats this. They are as ignorant of Biology as they are of Economics, History, Climate Science, Ethics and the Constituion.

 

[Blues Man]

Blues Man still has not given his definition of “viable”.

It's the same one as in the dictionary.

 

[Nostra]

14th Amendment right there in the first line.

Here is the 14th Amendment text. Can you highlight where it says you have the right to any medical procedure you want?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

 

[Nostra]

It's the same one as in the dictionary.

Which is?

 

[Flash]

The Supreme Court has always operated under the standard that the word person in the Constitution is referring to a born person and that is never going to change.

Many states have the equivalent of this.

Unborn Victims of Violence Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes an embryo or fetus in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."[1]

The law is codified in two sections of the United States Code: Title 18, Chapter 1 (Crimes), §1841 (18 USC 1841) and Title 10, Chapter 22 (Uniform Code of Military Justice) §919a (Article 119a).

The law applies only to certain offenses over which the United States government has jurisdiction, including certain crimes committed on federal properties, against certain federal officials and employees, and by members of the military. In addition, it covers certain crimes that are defined by statute as federal offenses wherever they occur, no matter who commits them, such as certain crimes of terrorism.

 

[Nostra]

It's the same one as in the dictionary.

This one?


Definitions
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more

adjective
adjective: viable

1. capable of working successfully; feasible.
   "the proposed investment was economically viable"
   • BOTANY
     (of a seed or spore) able to germinate.
     "most clones can produce thousands of viable seeds"
   • BIOLOGY
     (of a plant, animal, or cell) capable of surviving or living successfully, especially under particular environmental conditions.
     "the largest and most viable population of this endangered vetch"
   • MEDICINE
     (of a fetus or unborn child) able to live after birth.
     "what if the fetus were viable

 

[Blues Man]

Here is the 14th Amendment text. Can you highlight where it says you have the right to any medical procedure you want?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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Why don't you define liberty for me?

Liberty encompasses the right to make one's own medical decisions.

 

[Blues Man]

Many states have the equivalent of this.

Unborn Victims of Violence Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes an embryo or fetus in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."[1]

The law is codified in two sections of the United States Code: Title 18, Chapter 1 (Crimes), §1841 (18 USC 1841) and Title 10, Chapter 22 (Uniform Code of Military Justice) §919a (Article 119a).

The law applies only to certain offenses over which the United States government has jurisdiction, including certain crimes committed on federal properties, against certain federal officials and employees, and by members of the military. In addition, it covers certain crimes that are defined by statute as federal offenses wherever they occur, no matter who commits them, such as certain crimes of terrorism.

So the law is one that is designed to be applied unequally and that is the very definition of unconstitutional.

 

[Nostra]

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Why don't you define liberty for me?

Liberty encompasses the right to make one's own medical decisions.

So you can’t find it either. Must not be in there.

 

[Blues Man]

This one?


Definitions
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more

adjective
adjective: viable

1. capable of working successfully; feasible.
   "the proposed investment was economically viable"
   • BOTANY
     (of a seed or spore) able to germinate.
     "most clones can produce thousands of viable seeds"
   • BIOLOGY
     (of a plant, animal, or cell) capable of surviving or living successfully, especially under particular environmental conditions.
     "the largest and most viable population of this endangered vetch"
   • MEDICINE
     (of a fetus or unborn child) able to live after birth.
     "what if the fetus were viable

And you have a problem with that definition?

How about one pertaining medically to premature births?

How Early Can a Baby Be Born?

The time in pregnancy when a baby is born plays an important role in fetal viability. Learn more about factors that affect how early a baby can be born.

www.verywellfamily.com

 

[Blues Man]

So you can’t find it either. Must not be in there.

Liberty

Freedom

Any law that stops me from making my own medical decision is denying my liberty.

Even a person with a skull as thick as yours should see that

 

[Nostra]

And you have a problem with that definition?

How about one pertaining medically to premature births?

How Early Can a Baby Be Born?

The time in pregnancy when a baby is born plays an important role in fetal viability. Learn more about factors that affect how early a baby can be born.

www.verywellfamily.com

Nope. I have no problem with that definition because it destroys your bullshit viability argument.

By definition, the vast majority of abortions are inflicted on a viable fetus.

 

[Nostra]

Liberty

Freedom

Any law that stops me from making my own medical decision is denying me liberty.

Even a person with a skull as thick as yours should see that

Nope. Try again.

 

[Blues Man]

Nope. I have no problem with that definition because it destroys your bullshit viability argument.

By definition, the vast majority of abortions are inflicted on a viable fetus.

Really how so?

And the term is viable outside of the womb.

 

[Blues Man]

Nope. Try again.

Tell it to the SC

Why don;t you give me your definition of liberty. Since it obviously isn't the same as the one used in the Constitution

 

[Nostra]

Really how so?

And the term is viable outside of the womb.

Nope. The last definition destroyed you, Dumbass.

 

[Blues Man]

Nope. The last definition destroyed you, Dumbass.

No it didn't.

No 2 day old fertilized ovum is viable outside of the womb.

 

[Nostra]

Tell it to the SC

Why don;t you give me your definition of liberty. Since it obviously isn't the same as the one used in the Constitution

why do you need me to define liberty?

 

[Nostra]

No it didn't.

No 2 day old fertilized ovum is viable outside of the womb.

Nobody said it was, Dumbass. Especially the definition of Viable.

• MEDICINE
  (of a fetus or unborn child) able to live after birth.
  "what if the fetus were viable

Your bullshit has been destroyed.