The Visible World

[Taz]

I don't believe you understand how it works.

Neither do you.

Sure I do. That's how I sleep like a baby at night... knowing that everything works for good. I know that error can't stand. Eventually error fails. You can take it to the bank. I don't have to take my frustrations out on other people like you do, Taz.

You imagine all of it. It's not real, provable stuff.

I guess you will find out.

There’s nothing that you put forward that was proven, so bite me.

It's not my job to convince you, dummy. Why can't you get that through your pea size brain?

But you wish you could.

Because why?

Because if you could convince ANYONE of your dumb ideas it would validate them.

 

[ding]

I don't believe you understand how it works.

Neither do you.

Sure I do. That's how I sleep like a baby at night... knowing that everything works for good. I know that error can't stand. Eventually error fails. You can take it to the bank. I don't have to take my frustrations out on other people like you do, Taz.

You imagine all of it. It's not real, provable stuff.

I guess you will find out.

There’s nothing that you put forward that was proven, so bite me.

It's not my job to convince you, dummy. Why can't you get that through your pea size brain?

But you wish you could.

Because why?

Because if you could convince ANYONE of your dumb ideas it would validate them.

Reality needs no validation, dummy. I couldn't care less if you deny it. Have at it.

So... again, why should I care what you believe?

 

[BULLDOG]

I don't believe you understand how it works.

Neither do you.

Sure I do. That's how I sleep like a baby at night... knowing that everything works for good. I know that error can't stand. Eventually error fails. You can take it to the bank. I don't have to take my frustrations out on other people like you do, Taz.

You imagine all of it. It's not real, provable stuff.

I guess you will find out.

There’s nothing that you put forward that was proven, so bite me.

It's not my job to convince you, dummy. Why can't you get that through your pea size brain?

But you wish you could.

Because why?

Because if you could convince ANYONE of your dumb ideas it would validate them.

Reality needs no validation, dummy. I couldn't care less if you deny it. Have at it.

So... again, why should I care what you believe?

Who knows why you might care, but it is obvious to all that you do care a lot.

 

[ding]

I don't believe you understand how it works.

Neither do you.

Sure I do. That's how I sleep like a baby at night... knowing that everything works for good. I know that error can't stand. Eventually error fails. You can take it to the bank. I don't have to take my frustrations out on other people like you do, Taz.

You imagine all of it. It's not real, provable stuff.

I guess you will find out.

There’s nothing that you put forward that was proven, so bite me.

It's not my job to convince you, dummy. Why can't you get that through your pea size brain?

But you wish you could.

Because why?

Because if you could convince ANYONE of your dumb ideas it would validate them.

Reality needs no validation, dummy. I couldn't care less if you deny it. Have at it.

So... again, why should I care what you believe?

Who knows why you might care, but it is obvious to all that you do care a lot.

What you believe? No. I couldn't care less.

 

[BULLDOG]

I don't believe you understand how it works.

Neither do you.

Sure I do. That's how I sleep like a baby at night... knowing that everything works for good. I know that error can't stand. Eventually error fails. You can take it to the bank. I don't have to take my frustrations out on other people like you do, Taz.

You imagine all of it. It's not real, provable stuff.

I guess you will find out.

There’s nothing that you put forward that was proven, so bite me.

It's not my job to convince you, dummy. Why can't you get that through your pea size brain?

But you wish you could.

Because why?

Because if you could convince ANYONE of your dumb ideas it would validate them.

Reality needs no validation, dummy. I couldn't care less if you deny it. Have at it.

So... again, why should I care what you believe?

Who knows why you might care, but it is obvious to all that you do care a lot.

What you believe? No. I couldn't care less.

I'll give that statement some serious consideration as soon as I catch up on all these pages and pages of your posts that you say you aren't concerned about.

 

[ding]

I don't believe you understand how it works.

Neither do you.

Sure I do. That's how I sleep like a baby at night... knowing that everything works for good. I know that error can't stand. Eventually error fails. You can take it to the bank. I don't have to take my frustrations out on other people like you do, Taz.

You imagine all of it. It's not real, provable stuff.

I guess you will find out.

There’s nothing that you put forward that was proven, so bite me.

It's not my job to convince you, dummy. Why can't you get that through your pea size brain?

But you wish you could.

Because why?

Because if you could convince ANYONE of your dumb ideas it would validate them.

Reality needs no validation, dummy. I couldn't care less if you deny it. Have at it.

So... again, why should I care what you believe?

Who knows why you might care, but it is obvious to all that you do care a lot.

What you believe? No. I couldn't care less.

I'll give that statement some serious consideration as soon as I catch up on all these pages and pages of your posts that you say you aren't concerned about.

So you believe that because I post my beliefs that I care what you chose to believe? Why?

When you post something that you believe, is the reason you posted it to convince others?

 

[ding]

I believe it is entirely more likely that Taz is unhappy that I don't play his little game. Which is why he is trying to make me convince him. It's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain.

 

[toobfreak]

The following are my beliefs which in part come from my faith. I believe God created the material world and everything in it. Please feel free to discuss.

God himself created the visible world in all its richness, diversity and order. Scripture presents the work of the Creator symbolically as a succession of six days of divine "work", concluded by the "rest" of the seventh day. On the subject of creation, the sacred text teaches the truths revealed by God for our salvation, permitting us to recognize the inner nature, the value and the ordering of the whole of creation to the praise of God.

I believe that Nothing exists that does not owe its existence to God the Creator. The world began when God's word drew it out of nothingness; all existent beings, all of nature, and all human history are rooted in this primordial event, the very genesis by which the world was constituted and time begun.

I believe that each creature possesses its own particular goodness and perfection. For each one of the works of the "six days" it is said: "And God saw that it was good." By the very nature of creation, material being is endowed with its own stability, truth and excellence, its own order and laws. Each of the various creatures, willed in its own being, reflects in its own way a ray of God's infinite wisdom and goodness. Man must therefore respect the particular goodness of every creature, to avoid any disordered use of things which would be in contempt of the Creator and would bring disastrous consequences for human beings and their environment.

I believe that God wills the interdependence of creatures. The spectacle of their countless diversities and inequalities tells us that no creature is self-sufficient. Creatures exist only in dependence on each other, to complete each other, in the service of each other.

I see the beauty of the universe. The order and harmony of the created world results from the diversity of beings and from the relationships which exist among them. Man discovers them progressively as the laws of nature. They call forth the admiration of scholars. The beauty of creation reflects the infinite beauty of the Creator and ought to inspire the respect and submission of man's intellect and will.

I believe the hierarchy of creatures is expressed by the order of the "six days", from the less perfect to the more perfect. God loves all his creatures and takes care of each one. Nevertheless, Jesus said: "You are of more value than many sparrows", or again: "Of how much more value is a man than a sheep!"

I believe that man is the summit of the Creator's work, as the inspired account expresses by clearly distinguishing the creation of man from that of the other creatures.

I believe there is a solidarity among all creatures arising from the fact that all have the same Creator and are all ordered to his glory.


Paraphrased and excerpted from the Catechism of the Catholic Church

Catechism of the Catholic Church - Table of Contents

Very good, Ding, there are only TWO WORDS in your soliloquy I take issue with. The words: I BELIEVE. For reality IS, but not because of belief.

• God himself created the visible world in all its richness, diversity and order. TRUE. That is the very DEFINITION of God. The orginal cause. God creates the good. God creates the material nature. God creates the ephemeral. God creates the intangible. People fail to understand that material nature is transitory, temporary, and so, the cycle of birth, decay and death. Creation, Maintenance and Dissolution. The three modes of nature. In that, material nature is never perfect, up to, yes, suffering and death. That stands not as proof that God is not real or flawed, but his reasons for not staying in material nature and rejoining Him.
• I believe that each creature possesses its own particular goodness and perfection. TRUE. Every living thing possesses a plenary portion of Divine God within it making all life special.
• I believe that God wills the interdependence of creatures. TRUE. All of material nature exists together as a master plan, constantly correcting in balance.
• I see the beauty of the universe. TRUE. Behind the curtain of the material manifestation is God. God is the fount for everything. God is beauty. God is Love. God is Power.
• I believe the hierarchy of creatures is expressed by the order of the "six days", from the less perfect to the more perfect. Not sure exactly how you mean this, but the manifestation was necessary created from the broadest and most simple first, to the most specific and complex last, for complexity always must come from simplicity.
• I believe that man is the summit of the Creator's work. ESSENTIALLY TRUE, as man alone on Earth may directly know God, approach God, and for now, that is the extent of all we may know except that even the demigods may not do this!
• I believe there is a solidarity among all creatures arising from the fact that all have the same Creator and are all ordered to his glory. TRUE. All life is part and parcel of God, having in limited quantities the qualities He possesses in UNLIMITED quantities! AS such, all life everywhere is inextricably joined and tied together.

 

[Taz]

I don't believe you understand how it works.

Neither do you.

Sure I do. That's how I sleep like a baby at night... knowing that everything works for good. I know that error can't stand. Eventually error fails. You can take it to the bank. I don't have to take my frustrations out on other people like you do, Taz.

You imagine all of it. It's not real, provable stuff.

I guess you will find out.

There’s nothing that you put forward that was proven, so bite me.

It's not my job to convince you, dummy. Why can't you get that through your pea size brain?

But you wish you could.

Because why?

Because if you could convince ANYONE of your dumb ideas it would validate them.

Reality needs no validation, dummy. I couldn't care less if you deny it. Have at it.

So... again, why should I care what you believe?

You do, otherwise you'd simply ignore me and not keep trying to convince of your nonsensical theories.

 

[Taz]

I believe it is entirely more likely that Taz is unhappy that I don't play his little game. Which is why he is trying to make me convince him. It's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain.

So it's obvious to you. Got it.

 

[ding]

I don't believe you understand how it works.

Neither do you.

Sure I do. That's how I sleep like a baby at night... knowing that everything works for good. I know that error can't stand. Eventually error fails. You can take it to the bank. I don't have to take my frustrations out on other people like you do, Taz.

You imagine all of it. It's not real, provable stuff.

I guess you will find out.

There’s nothing that you put forward that was proven, so bite me.

It's not my job to convince you, dummy. Why can't you get that through your pea size brain?

But you wish you could.

Because why?

Because if you could convince ANYONE of your dumb ideas it would validate them.

Reality needs no validation, dummy. I couldn't care less if you deny it. Have at it.

So... again, why should I care what you believe?

You do, otherwise you'd simply ignore me and not keep trying to convince of your nonsensical theories.

I love how you have flipped this around. Your only purpose here is to troll. To get people to play your game. I don't play your game. I control the game. This isn't me trying to convince you. This is me controlling you. You chase me around. You discuss what I want you to discuss. I get the points I want out. You are playing my game.

 

[ding]

I believe it is entirely more likely that Taz is unhappy that I don't play his little game. Which is why he is trying to make me convince him. It's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain.

So it's obvious to you. Got it.

I don't know anyone who doesn't believe that you are here to play games, Taz. So that much is self evident, right?

So if I say you want me to try to convince you, that your game is to try to get people to try to convince you, I don't know how anyone can argue it differently.

But please don't let my bias keep you from trying to convince me that you aren't here to play games.

 

[Taz]

I love how you have flipped this around. Your only purpose here is to troll. To get people to play your game. I don't play your game. I control the game. This isn't me trying to convince you. This is me controlling you. You chase me around. You discuss what I want you to discuss. I get the points I want out. You are playing my game.

YOU DA MAN!!!!


In your own mind.

 

[ding]

I love how you have flipped this around. Your only purpose here is to troll. To get people to play your game. I don't play your game. I control the game. This isn't me trying to convince you. This is me controlling you. You chase me around. You discuss what I want you to discuss. I get the points I want out. You are playing my game.

YOU DA MAN!!!!


In your own mind.

No. I'm just in your head.

 

[Taz]

I believe it is entirely more likely that Taz is unhappy that I don't play his little game. Which is why he is trying to make me convince him. It's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain.

So it's obvious to you. Got it.

I don't know anyone who doesn't believe that you are here to play games, Taz. So that much is self evident, right?

So if I say you want me to try to convince you, that your game is to try to get people to try to convince you, I don't know how anyone can argue it differently.

But please don't let my bias keep you from trying to convince me that you aren't here to play games.

I originally came here to see if anyone who is a believer had any concrete reasons for thinking that we are governed by an invisible being. It's still interesting to converse with believers here, but you sir, are a total jackass, and everyone treats you as such. Learn what real proof is and maybe someone will start to take you seriously. Otherwise you're just a retard that we like to poke with a stick.

 

[Taz]

I love how you have flipped this around. Your only purpose here is to troll. To get people to play your game. I don't play your game. I control the game. This isn't me trying to convince you. This is me controlling you. You chase me around. You discuss what I want you to discuss. I get the points I want out. You are playing my game.

YOU DA MAN!!!!


In your own mind.

No. I'm just in your head.

In your own mid.

 

[ding]

I believe it is entirely more likely that Taz is unhappy that I don't play his little game. Which is why he is trying to make me convince him. It's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain.

So it's obvious to you. Got it.

I don't know anyone who doesn't believe that you are here to play games, Taz. So that much is self evident, right?

So if I say you want me to try to convince you, that your game is to try to get people to try to convince you, I don't know how anyone can argue it differently.

But please don't let my bias keep you from trying to convince me that you aren't here to play games.

I originally came here to see if anyone who is a believer had any concrete reasons for thinking that we are governed by an invisible being. It's still interesting to converse with believers here, but you sir, are a total jackass, and everyone treats you as such. Learn what real proof is and maybe someone will start to take you seriously. Otherwise you're just a retard that we like to poke with a stick.

You can't get more concrete than the universe becoming self aware.

I think it's hilarious that you are arguing that you aren't here to troll, Taz.

 

[ding]

I love how you have flipped this around. Your only purpose here is to troll. To get people to play your game. I don't play your game. I control the game. This isn't me trying to convince you. This is me controlling you. You chase me around. You discuss what I want you to discuss. I get the points I want out. You are playing my game.

YOU DA MAN!!!!


In your own mind.

No. I'm just in your head.

In your own mid.

I got you to try to convince me that you aren't here trolling, didn't I?

 

[Taz]

I believe it is entirely more likely that Taz is unhappy that I don't play his little game. Which is why he is trying to make me convince him. It's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain.

So it's obvious to you. Got it.

I don't know anyone who doesn't believe that you are here to play games, Taz. So that much is self evident, right?

So if I say you want me to try to convince you, that your game is to try to get people to try to convince you, I don't know how anyone can argue it differently.

But please don't let my bias keep you from trying to convince me that you aren't here to play games.

I originally came here to see if anyone who is a believer had any concrete reasons for thinking that we are governed by an invisible being. It's still interesting to converse with believers here, but you sir, are a total jackass, and everyone treats you as such. Learn what real proof is and maybe someone will start to take you seriously. Otherwise you're just a retard that we like to poke with a stick.

You can't get more concrete than the universe becoming self aware.

I think it's hilarious that you are arguing that you aren't here to troll, Taz.

Because debunking your bullshit is now called trolling? What planet are you on?

 

[Taz]

You can't get more concrete than the universe becoming self aware.

You still can't tie that in to your preferred invisible guy.